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An article: NATO is the American occupation of Poland and Europe, by Mateusz Piskorski


TheOther 5 | 3,643
29 May 2018  #181
without Sugar Daddy U.S.A. as the only deterrent the E.U. is screwed.

The question is, for how much longer? The French have around 300 warheads already, which is probably more than enough to flatten every city in Russia and destroy the planet.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
29 May 2018  #182
The French are lovers, not fighters. Their equipment and numbers means nothing..ww2 and other conflicts proved that. Just like ww2, they'll capitulate quicker than poland despite having a far better force. That's one of the reasons why poland trusts the eu far more than the eu which is increasingly being influenced by macron. Another is the historic betrayal of European 'allies' to help poland in her time of need.
TheOther 5 | 3,643
29 May 2018  #183
The French are lovers, not fighters.

Pushing a red button doesn't require any fighting skills.

historic betrayal of European 'allies' to help poland in her time of need.

They could've stayed out of the conflict altogether and hand Poland over to Adolf and Joseph. Would that have been a better option?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2018  #184
So without Sugar Daddy U.S.A. as the only deterrent the E.U. is screwed.

there is no need for europe for any US deterrent when you have friendly relation with your neighbors.US and Isralel need deterrents cus they bomb countries all the time.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
29 May 2018  #185
They could've stayed out of the conflict altogether and hand Poland over to Adolf and Joseph. Would that have been a better option

That's exactly what they and especially our other ally England did.

That's why I dont care that france is literally on fire thanks to the hordes of migrants theyve let in, and its been that way for years and years. It is nonetheless a shame as a it was once a beautiful country with tons of culture. Not its a cess pool and even smells like one especially Paris.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,832
30 May 2018  #186
Pushing a red button doesn't require any fighting skills.

...but it does require balls.

There is a for sale ad on craiglist: French gun for sale. Never used. Dropped once.

Old but still good. I mean the joke. Gun too.

there is no need for europe for any US deterrent when you have friendly relation with your neighbors.

I wholeheartedly agree. You can start the petition.

Not its a cess pool and even smells like one especially Paris.

They can stink like skunks all they want. My big problem is the dead GI's and the money we spent liberating that dump which is now happily surrendering now to an enemy even worse than Hitler and NAZI's ever were.

In case some heads are ready to explode because I compared NAZI's to Muslims: German troops had the decency to wear uniforms so that we were able to see them and kill them. Others were extracted and by removed.

Muslims in France, like AIDS and stage 4 cancer, are forever or until they kill the host. Try to deport just one because he is a Muslim and you will have UN, EU, ACLU, and that moron pope on you a** by noon tomorrow.

That US politicians still have the nerve to complain after so many Europeans died or have been wounded for them in Afghanistan is very telling.

So the Euros are in Afghanistan to defend the US? I would have never guessed in a million years that Euros love Americans so much.

I thought that the Euros are there for the high principle of protecting the Afghani women and their rights and fight the bad guys who like violating said rights.

Boy, was I wrong.
johnny reb 16 | 3,444
30 May 2018  #187
My guess is that there are twice as many U.S. Troops in Afghanistan as all of the rest of NATO put together.
(I forgot to ask permission to post this time of morning)
cms neuf - | 847
30 May 2018  #188
The NATO troops were there in recognition of their obligations that an attack on one member is an attack on all.

the USSR went there illegally to prop up a Commie regime and play geopolitics.

I dont think either has been a huge success
mafketis 19 | 7,009
30 May 2018  #189
the USSR went there illegally to prop up a Commie regime and play geopolitics.

That is a conflict that really needs to be re-examined, for all its faults the USSR in Afghanistan represented something like civilizational progress while US involvement since that time has only reinforced and strenghtned the most savagely primitive aspects of the local population.
cms neuf - | 847
30 May 2018  #190
Yes ! No point intervening unless you can make a situation better !
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
30 May 2018  #191
the USSR went there illegally to prop up a Commie regime and play geopolitics.

Russia was asked to come in. They were invited by the regime there.

Unlike nato which enters countries regardless of whether the regime and people there wants them or not with Syria being a perfect example. In Iraq they overstayed their welcome too and Iraqis who earlier wanted Americans to depose saddam especially the shia wanted them gone as they were only making the situation worse.
OP Crow 137 | 7,520
30 May 2018  #192
Essentially, NATO is kind of sex like orgies, where, Poland got place in the receiving team (sure, I know, I myself coming from country that is greatest receiver in Europe). So, how things stand, Poland should profit where is that possible and bases for NATO conventional troops are at least good thing for Poland`s economy. Plus, in situation when Poland rapidly losing population, while refusing to accept Muslim migrants, NATO soldiers, together with Ukrainian refugees, coming as kind of replenishment of population.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,832
30 May 2018  #193
The NATO troops were there in recognition of their obligations that an attack on one member is an attack on all.

If it is true, it's the stupidest rule anyone could come up with. Under that rule, if a Latvian border patrol gets shot and killed by the Russians, the US has to send its army to Latvia and chase the bad Russians across the border and kill them.
OP Crow 137 | 7,520
30 May 2018  #194
Or die while tying to do so.

But, fortunately for US, USA army have two kind of soldiers- those with more expensive and those with cheep lives. Same logic is applied on entire NATO.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,832
30 May 2018  #195
OK. So, under what law are the Americans in Syria?
cms neuf - | 847
30 May 2018  #196
Yes that is how NATO works. Latvia might be an expendable country if like you you are supposedly sitting happily retired in Illinois However if you are Polish, and your family is here in Poland, then very much want to Latvia to be defended because if it is not then might be the next target?

I don't know but I want law the US in Syria, and I think they don't know themselves. That is not a NATO action.

Seems to be a free for all now - there are Iranians, Russians, turks Americans and probably a few others all testing their weapons. I guess something like the Spanish Civil War or Angola was.
OP Crow 137 | 7,520
30 May 2018  #197
NATO is especial sh** from Polish point of view. Just when NATO finish with Russia, with help of Poland, next day after that NATO turn to Poland and say: ,,Good. We f***ed Russia. Now we f*** you.`` On that Poles say: ,,But we are allies. We helped you.`` On that NATO reply: ,,No, you are Slavs. You are stupido.`` On that Poles reply: ,,But we are also Catholics.`` On that NATO reply: Still, you are Slavs.`` Then, NATO open its mouth and swallow Poland. After eating Poland, NATO start to run in circles and fart a lot of. And no more Slavs and peace came.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
30 May 2018  #198
So, under what law are the Americans in Syria

None. They are illegal occupiers. Assad
, the democratically elected leader wants them out. The Russians are gradually pulling out but of course american troops will stay for God only knows how long. The Pentagon has a boner for spending trillions and spending decades in countries where the leaders and people don't want them and us taxpayers foot the bill.

Now sadrs coalition won the Iraqi elections which only makes the us intervention even more pointless. Big victory for iran and the shia, huge loss for us hawks and zionists.

then very much want to Latvia to be defended because if it is not then might be the next target?

And you think nato is going to defend Latvia? Ha! The Russians would occupy the entire baltics within 2 days if they wanted to.

All nato does for poland is provoke the bear. We'd be much better off neutral as the west wont help us put again (maybe America will although I doubt it seeing as how they hang ukraine out to dry) and the eu nato members dont stand a chance. Atleast thrn poland would be spared destruction. Poles know that they can somewhat count on the us and even that isn't a guaruntee.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,832
30 May 2018  #199
However if you are Polish, and your family is here in Poland,

It's a neat trick to argue wars using teary stories.

No, I don't care what happens in Latvia or Poland because all the people I care about live where I do.

What I also care about is that the US is going broke playing the dumbest world cop ever. The US is doing it because the mf-rs who rule the country make big bucks off of that insane DOD budget and because the people we call useful idiots - the mindless low IQ patriots and the messiah complex victims - support said mf-rs to feel good. If only for a day or two.

I will never foget that stupid broad telling the UN how the Iraqi soldiers were throwing babies out of incubators. America burst into tears and the war was on.

The Russians would occupy the entire baltics within 2 days if they wanted to.

Make it 2 hours. Or by email - instantly and without firing a shot. Like in Crimea.
OP Crow 137 | 7,520
6 Jun 2018  #200
Biggest scandal yet to came. If lose to the international court, NATO members (over shared responsibility) would have to pay more then 100 billion USA dollars to Serbia.

Seams that NATO didn`t just occupy Poland. Because of NATO Poland would have to pay billions of euros to Serbia as compensation for NATO illegal strikes on Serbia back in1999 and also billions of euros to Bosnia and Herzegovina (Serb Republic) for period 1992-1995, when NATO used outlawed depleted uranium bombs against Serbian civilian and military targets.

MUST READ article >>> New evidences in process for compensation Serbia vs. NATO >>>

"I'll help Serbia prove NATO's quiet, vicious murder"
b92/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2018&mm=06&dd=06&nav_id=104334

Domenico Leggero, one of the founders of Osservatorio Militare (Military Observatory) says he is willing to hand over to Serbia his documentation about NATO.

NATO had committed "a quiet, vicious murder" by using depleted uranium ammunition (while attacking Serbia in 1999, and Serb areas in Bosnia before that).

Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
6 Jun 2018  #201
I'll help Serbia prove NATO's quiet, vicious murder"

Very sad... I watched the video in that link.. nato or more specifically us destroys countries. I can't think of a single time where they actually helped a country they entered and the people are better off now than before their occupation
dolnoslask 5 | 2,423
6 Jun 2018  #202
Japan and Germany, two great examples where America entered andgave a huge amount of aid and support after the war , both huge industrial powerhouses of today due to American intervention. well done guys.
Tacitus 2 | 817
6 Jun 2018  #203
For which many Germans are still grateful. It is just to bad that first Bush Jr. and now Trump have almost completely destroyed this positive image.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,423
6 Jun 2018  #204
now Trump

Well give him the benefit of the doubt for now, he has not invaded anywhere yet!, he may even broker peace between north and south Korea, the stuff of noble prizes.

Or it will all go tits up and we get WWIII, time will tell, us minions have no say in it at all.
OP Crow 137 | 7,520
6 Jun 2018  #205
Japan and Germany, two great examples where America entered and gave a huge amount of aid and support

There is hope at least that Serbia may profit in this, too. When Serbia gets those 100 billions USA dollars, money won`t be wasted on cleansing the land from depleted uranium. Russia did it and still doing it for free. Then, many bridges on Danube that were destroyed by NATO, EU already paid as urgent investment by its own money (I meany with money of tax payers) because Danube represent major European river with great importance for transit.

So, all those 100 billion USA dollars, how things stand and how goes talks on public discussions, Serbia intend to invest in great capital industrial investments, infrastructural projects, tourism and applications that directly lead in improving standard of living of population. Use of money would be transparent and public projects announced on tenders. Imagine. 100 billion and more USA dollars. Belgrade is already one of most beautiful Capitals of Europe and after this.... and, my city of Novi Sad is beautiful and have that best European music fest- EXIT.

Somebody suggested even monument to Slobodan Milosevic. After all, that money wouldn`t be possible without him. Sure, all Serbs deserve monument. Monument to our spirit of resistance to dictate of hostile strangers.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
6 Jun 2018  #206
Sorry crow but I highly doubt us/nato will give Serbia 100 him.

@dolnoslask

I was referring more to modern times when the petro dollar and military industrial complex dominated the us and increasingly the world. Wed never conduct a Berlin airlift operation for starting Iraqis Libyans Syrians etc today and likelt never will again. The society of 50 60 60 70 years ago is way way different than modern times.
OP Crow 137 | 7,520
6 Jun 2018  #207
Who knows. With Trump is everything possible. Somebody said that he tries to correct damage that Clinton`s and Obama done. Well, correction of damage will cost. A lot of.

Plus, its about Serbs. Givers of West. Last of Europeans that still using that old native name of all Europeans- Serbs. Its maybe time to revitalize re-claimers. For the greater good. I hope so, at least.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,423
6 Jun 2018  #208
The society of 50 60 60 70 years ago is way way different than modern times.

You have a good point there Dirk
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,346
6 Jun 2018  #209
What we did to Japan and germany after ww2 was noble and altruistic. We actually helped the people rebuild without adding up ebery candy bar given given via airlift to german kids and concrete bag given to the japs and then charging tjem for it plus interest to be paid at a future date, in dollars of course. Now Japan owns more us debt than even China and germany is the most economically powerful country in Europe way ahead of uk and france.

Now we go into Syria Iraq Libya all these countries without a clue what were going to do in the long term as long as a few parties can make some cash in the short term. The only westerners who care about the people are banks, oil companies etc with the same whales owning shares in each because they can offer high interest reconstruction loans, offer security services, offer arms to the new security forces chosen by the occupation, etc. Its basically a transfer of wealth from taxpayer who fund military to the private sector once the invaded/occupied country is all ****** up.

Then in the long run it always ends up biting us in the ass whether its Libya or isis or sadr who is now basically untouchable diplomatically and is the most powerful person in Iraq. The same guy who commanded the peace company which killed thousands of.american soldiers occupying Iraq.

And we'll likely end up there again in some way shape or.form. The war on terror is the biggest self perpetuating scam ever pulled....
OP Crow 137 | 7,520
6 Jun 2018  #210
What we need is reformation of UN. Serious reformation and UN capable to secure future of diverse humanity. New world order of organized Multi-Polar world with leading role UN.

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