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American GIs troops finally in Poland and, thank God, there's more to come



cms 9 | 1,174    
20 Mar 2017  #601

Some countries like Spain and Italy are also severely behind the 2%. But being realistic do European countries are never going to make this as a whole, unless Germany is to put 2% of GDP into the military. But what it can do militarily is still severely constrained by treaties which were entered into freely by the USA and by Russia in the early 90s.

If the US refuses to honour Its treaty obligations, then Germany could go ahead with rearmament as it pleases with no constraints on the basis that it should be able to defend its own interests. Surely that is not the right outcome and would leave Poland sandwiched between a sizeable and modern German military, and an obsolete but large Russian military on the other side - we have seen that movie before and I'm not looking forward to the sequel.

The obsession with amount of money, rather than effective spending, is also a red herring. But US through huge money at Iraq, Afghanistan, and they'll Syria, without being able to effectively dislodge 50.000 or so hardcore locals.


TheOther 5 | 3,026    
20 Mar 2017  #602

If the US refuses to honour Its treaty obligations, then Germany could go ahead with rearmament as it pleases with no constraints

Exactly. Why should the Germans continue to honor the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) for example? It would probably take them a year or so to develop nukes and put them on nuclear powered subs somewhere in the Atlantic. I bet their European neighbors and the Americans would love that idea...
Ironside 46 | 8,412    
20 Mar 2017  #603

Why Germany is being debated in this threat?
Crow 137 | 5,911    
20 Mar 2017  #604

Regarding NATO and at the same time EU, I am more and more happy to see that Poland follow example of Serbia.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,577    
21 Mar 2017  #605

wouldn't stop the Russians for a second

Of course not in an all-out conflict, but they are a powerful psychological deterrent. Boots-on-the-ground GIs make chicken-sh*t Putin think twice, thrice, multiple times beofre invading any NATO country.
Crow 137 | 5,911    
22 Mar 2017  #606

Putin think twice, thrice, multiple times beofre invading any NATO country.

NATO powers are wise to place troops in Poland. In any case, if happen, sh** would happen to Slavs first and mostly. HAHAHA AHAHAAHAH HAHAHAH HAHAHAH HAHAHAH let Slavs extinct, thinks some drunk and fat Anglo lord. He gave good penis to Putin. AHAHHA HAHAHAH how is that amusing. One can fart from it, in joy
mafketis 16 | 4,865    
22 Mar 2017  #607

One can fart from it, in joy

Crow's most cogent and logical post yet!
johnny reb 14 | 2,283    
22 Mar 2017  #608

if happen, sh** would happen to Slavs first and mostly.

Thank Putin for what has happened.
You think NATO is going to let Poland be left helpless again. NOT !
Russian soldiers in 2014 in the Crimea region of Ukraine which resulted in NATO troops in Poland in 2016.
Lt. Gen. Jack Weinstein, who oversees the American nuclear arsenal, attributed the increased tensions with Russia largely to its actions.…
The general who oversees the United States' atomic weapons arsenal has expressed concern over what he described as "much more aggressive" behavior by Russia in recent years, saying it justifies the need for a strengthened and modernized nuclear deterrent force in this country and with our NATO allies.

One can fart from it, in joy

Your nasty personality shows that ignorance is your bliss Crow.
Crow 137 | 5,911    
22 Mar 2017  #609

Putin? Putin. Who else. I myself have a headache if just tries to blame some others. That strongly spinned I am.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,796    
22 Mar 2017  #610

let Slavs extinct, thinks some drunk and fat Anglo lord.

...blimey, Crow, I agree with you.

I also don't believe for one second that the US is going to get involved in a conflict with Russia over Poland. They're going to pour forces onto the German border and make it clear that tactical nuclear strikes will be used if Russia breaches that line.
mafketis 16 | 4,865    
22 Mar 2017  #611

I also don't believe for one second that the US is going to get involved in a conflict with Russia over Poland

It pains me to say it of my country, but the US is not and has never been a very good ally....
delphiandomine 87 | 15,796    
22 Mar 2017  #612

Well... I think sometimes you were, there's no faulting the huge contributions made in WW2 for instance, even if they were understandably reluctant to get involved in the beginning.

But I think people are remarkably naive if they think that the US is going to throw everything into defending Poland. Yalta should remind everyone of American pragmatism!
nothanks - | 664    
22 Mar 2017  #613

We are halfway across the globe from the USA. The Eastern coast in America is far more euro-centric than the West-coast, and it's mostly just the North-East. I think the relationship with USA is adequate.
johnny reb 14 | 2,283    
22 Mar 2017  #614

but the US is not and has never been a very good ally....

Really.......and how many of your Countrymen died for the U.S. in combat supporting the U.S. in the Korean Conflict or the Vietnamese Conflict post WW2 ?
Crow 137 | 5,911    
23 Mar 2017  #615

...blimey, Crow, I agree with you.

sure you do. You are intelligent

Russia sometimes maybe wasn`t sincere on Poland but God knows that Russians, for their own interests, have all reasons that Poland exist, no matter every antagonism between two peoples/elites. Anglos on the other side, for the contra reason, see Poland only as just another Slavic hole worthy to drop dead. If they in the process may use Poland against Russia, even better.

I also don't believe for one second that the US is going to get involved in a conflict with Russia over Poland.

Exactly, in case of war Poland would be prelude to hell. Arena for conventional war. In case of any serious Russian advance, NATO powers wouldn`t hesitate to use nuclear strikes against Russians there on the Polish ground. Oh, for Anglos that would be perfect situation. They would have excuse to exterminate many Slavs in one hit. Irronically, Germans would complaint to Anglos probbaly solely for the reason of soil pollution. Germans would at least want clean land once when Slavs extinct. Anglos wouldn`t give a sh**.

Now, think of the Russian position. Think how is hard to explain situation to the people. But, we Slavs pays for our sins. all of us. Didn`t we betray Svetovod and didn`t we embraced foreign learning? Yes, we did. We all did. So no wonder what happening to us. Did we expect that would foreigners have more love for us then for themselves.
Marsupial - | 924    
23 Mar 2017  #616

Russia is precisely what is holding slavs back. Precisely who sold them before. Your posts are total lies crow. You would have to have ended your education before high school not to laugh. In your case you received rubbish lies from dictatorship and from others around you who are also too far gone. Its all.made up in communist school you poor bugga.
mafketis 16 | 4,865    
23 Mar 2017  #617

.made up in communist school

what else does he know?
Crow 137 | 5,911    
24 Mar 2017  #618

I know what NATO done in the heart of Europe, against Slavic interests (Polish included) and for the Muslim, Germanic and Anglo schemes

18 years since start of NATO bombing

b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2017&mm=03&dd=24&nav_id=100847

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Today marks 18 years since the start of NATO's aerial attacks on the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SRJ), consisting of Serbia and Montenegro.

Crow 137 | 5,911    
24 Mar 2017  #619

Should Poland take part in new NATO crimes? Now even on Polish soil? Or in Russia? Where is Polish interest in it? is there any?

State ceremony held at site of NATO's attack on train

b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2017&mm=03&dd=24&nav_id=100851

"18 years ago, I could not understand what we were to NATO's pilots. Even today I can't understand that someone would send missiles on our train, full of people - women, children. Glory eternal to all the victims from the train 393,"

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Milorad Dodik (left side on image), president of Serb Republic within Bosnia-Herzegovina and Aleksandar Vucic, president of Republic of Serbia (on the right side when you look at image)
Vesko    
25 Mar 2017  #620

Crow president Milosevic led suicidal policies for the Serbian nation. If NATO wanted so badly to establish a base on our territory was it not better to negotiate instead of going head first against the wall?

This was genocide against one people...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
Where were our "Orthodox brothers" the Russians?! They didn't even send us weapons so we could properly defend ourselves...

If Hitler and the Wehrmacht could not win against Jewish-American imperialism then HOW COULD WE?
Crow 137 | 5,911    
25 Mar 2017  #621

Crow president Milosevic led suicidal policies for the Serbian nation.

but it was so honorable to stood bravely against overwhelming foes, when you know you are right, when NATO and EU want to deliver our lands, bodies and souls to the Islamic beasts and Germanic vermin. If I live again, I would think the same.

If NATO wanted so badly to establish a base on our territory was it not better to negotiate instead of going head first against the wall?

Times proving that resistance was better choice. Those who obeyed would suffer even more

Where were our "Orthodox brothers" the Russians?! They didn't even send us weapons so we could properly defend ourselves...

I am among those who understand Russians as our Slavic brothers. Difference between Serbian and Russia Orthodoxy is same as difference between Polish Catholicism and Serbian Orthodoxy. In that sense, Polish and Russian Christianity is closer to each others then any of their ways to our Serbian way. For only we, the Serbians, no mater Christians, still worship SLAVA- once universal custom of all Slavs in pre-Christin era.

As for Russian late coming in our aid, I see deeper sense in it. We needed to buy them time. To Poles, too. It was our role, our cross.

If Hitler and the Wehrmacht could not win against Jewish-American imperialism then HOW COULD WE?

Because we are Serbians. Defiant in the core of our being, not by some ugly political scheme. It is duty to the ancestors, to forefathers what makes are aware that one still have right to choose how would he want to die. Or even better, how would he choose to live
johnny reb 14 | 2,283    
26 Mar 2017  #622

Well Crow if civil disobedience keeps up in Russia, NATO may not be need as a deterrent in Poland but will be used to help feed and shelter the Russians fleeing into Poland.

MOSCOW (AP) - Thousands of people crowded into Moscow's Pushkin Square on Sunday for an unsanctioned protest against the Russian government, part of a wave of demonstrations taking place throughout the country.

Navalny and his Foundation for Fighting Corruption had called for the protests, which attracted crowds of hundreds or thousands in most sizeable Russian cities, from the Far East port of Vladivostok to the European heartland.

Sounds like the Russian people are very dissatisfied with Putin.
Poland should get ready for a possible massive immigration invasion from Russia.
I am sure that NATO would feed and house you until you got settled in Poland.
You may even end up liking the American troops in Poland for taking care of you.
Crow 137 | 5,911    
26 Mar 2017  #623

Changes are welcome in Russia.
Crow 137 | 5,911    
27 Mar 2017  #624

Good that Poles knows this and to think what blind obedience of official Poland to western Europe, to Anglos, Francos and Germanics bringing to Poland.

Majority of Serbians wouldn't accept NATO's apology - poll
b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2017&mm=03&dd=24&nav_id=100857

Most Serbians would not accept a NATO apology for the 1999 bombing campaign and are against the country's membership in the alliance.

johnny reb 14 | 2,283    
29 Mar 2017  #625

BRUSSELS - Western military commanders are concerned that large-scale Russian military exercises near the Baltic states in September pose heightened risks for a miscalculation that could lead to a crisis, allied officials said.

The exercises, which Western officials estimate will involve nearly 100,000 troops, will be the first to roll out after a new NATO force in the region reaches full strength.

The U.S. troops committed to that NATO force will arrive at their training base in Poland on Saturday.
German troops are in place in Lithuania and the entire force is due to be operational by the summer.
The alliance force is relatively small at roughly 4,000 troops, but Moscow has criticized it as destabilizing.

Thank God there is more to come is right Pol.
NoToForeigners 7 | 864    :-(
3 Apr 2017  #626

Yet another road accident involving the best of the best American soldiers in Toruń. Hahahahaha. Those guys are hopeless... How can they defend the eastern flank when they can't even drive? Facepalm.

kujawsko-pomorskie.onet.pl/torun-amerykanska-wojskowa-cysterna-wjechala-w-osobowke/q5v8hy2
cms 9 | 1,174    
3 Apr 2017  #627

You do know that Polish soldiers were also recently involved in a high profile traffic accident in Torun ? Speeding through an urban area in an attempt to get their boss in his limo to a private function.
weg05    
4 Apr 2017  #628

A fender-bender is newsworthy???
mafketis 16 | 4,865    
4 Apr 2017  #629

Yet another road accident involving the best of the best American soldiers in Toruń

Hey, they're just following the local culture.
johnny reb 14 | 2,283    
6 Apr 2017  #630

Yet another road accident involving the best of the best American soldiers

You claim to be a soldier, what did you do to serve YOUR country today not to mention what you have ever done for a foreign country.

Does the EU have any idea how vulnerable they are to Russia right now.
Maybe this will give you the first clue.

Today's News:
Air Force Gen. John Hyten, who was the chief commander of the U.S. missile and nuclear warhead arsenal, told members of Congress Tuesday that Moscow's deployment last month of at least two battalions of the SSC-8 cruise missile, also called the RK-55 Relief, violated a 1987 arms treaty and put most of Europe at risk. Hyten told the Senate Armed Services Committee that Moscow's latest move left the U.S. and its NATO allies off guard.

"We have no defense for it, especially in defense of our European allies," Hyten told the Senate Armed Services Committee, according to the Agence France-Presse. "That system can range and threaten most of the continent of Europe depending on where it is deployed. ... It is a concern and we're going to have to figure out how to deal with it as a nation."

The EU could be begging for America's help AGAIN very soon so show some respect..




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