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American GIs troops finally in Poland and, thank God, there's more to come


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20 Mar 2017  #601

So NATO should stop protecting Germany

All NATO members agreed on the timelime to up denfense spending to 2% of the GDP by 2024 - including the USA. Trump's demands are uninformed and hot air, nothing else.

the US should withdraw their soldiers from the German soil

I'm sure that at the moment, most Germans wouldn't mind if they go. Only 22% of Germans believe that the US is a reliable partner. Down from 58% last year.

welt.de/politik/deutschland/article161766668/Deutsche-verlieren-wegen-Trump-Vertrauen-in-die-USA.html

have you noticed that many German politicians opposed the idea of deploying US soldiers in Poland recently because they were afraid this may irritate the Russian bear enormously?

Haven't heard that. Stationing NATO troops so close to Russia seems to be a rather provoking move (as is Putin's meddling in Ukraine), though. On paper at least, because the handful of Americans that are now in Poland wouldn't stop the Russians for a second.

you think that as soon as Germany have this third largest military budget on the planet, they will soon resume their (in)famous "Drang nach Osten

Before that happens, Poland will develop a "Drang nach Westen" and conquer France. Trump did Merkel a big disservice when he brought up the denfense spending. German parliament might shoot down the whole thing now; especially if Schultz and his SPD get elected. You are living in Poland. You should know that the Germans hate everything that has to do with the military. The Americans and Brits did a good job "pacifying" them after WW2. Now they are complaining.

Have you ever looked at the numbers? Do you really believe that we should waste even more money?

Defense spending worldwide

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20 Mar 2017  #602

Some countries like Spain and Italy are also severely behind the 2%. But being realistic do European countries are never going to make this as a whole, unless Germany is to put 2% of GDP into the military. But what it can do militarily is still severely constrained by treaties which were entered into freely by the USA and by Russia in the early 90s.

If the US refuses to honour Its treaty obligations, then Germany could go ahead with rearmament as it pleases with no constraints on the basis that it should be able to defend its own interests. Surely that is not the right outcome and would leave Poland sandwiched between a sizeable and modern German military, and an obsolete but large Russian military on the other side - we have seen that movie before and I'm not looking forward to the sequel.

The obsession with amount of money, rather than effective spending, is also a red herring. But US through huge money at Iraq, Afghanistan, and they'll Syria, without being able to effectively dislodge 50.000 or so hardcore locals.
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20 Mar 2017  #603

If the US refuses to honour Its treaty obligations, then Germany could go ahead with rearmament as it pleases with no constraints

Exactly. Why should the Germans continue to honor the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) for example? It would probably take them a year or so to develop nukes and put them on nuclear powered subs somewhere in the Atlantic. I bet their European neighbors and the Americans would love that idea...
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20 Mar 2017  #604

Why Germany is being debated in this threat?
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20 Mar 2017  #605

Regarding NATO and at the same time EU, I am more and more happy to see that Poland follow example of Serbia.
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21 Mar 2017  #606

wouldn't stop the Russians for a second

Of course not in an all-out conflict, but they are a powerful psychological deterrent. Boots-on-the-ground GIs make chicken-sh*t Putin think twice, thrice, multiple times beofre invading any NATO country.
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2 days ago  #607

Putin think twice, thrice, multiple times beofre invading any NATO country.

NATO powers are wise to place troops in Poland. In any case, if happen, sh** would happen to Slavs first and mostly. HAHAHA AHAHAAHAH HAHAHAH HAHAHAH HAHAHAH let Slavs extinct, thinks some drunk and fat Anglo lord. He gave good penis to Putin. AHAHHA HAHAHAH how is that amusing. One can fart from it, in joy
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2 days ago  #608

One can fart from it, in joy

Crow's most cogent and logical post yet!
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1 day ago  #609

if happen, sh** would happen to Slavs first and mostly.

Thank Putin for what has happened.
You think NATO is going to let Poland be left helpless again. NOT !
Russian soldiers in 2014 in the Crimea region of Ukraine which resulted in NATO troops in Poland in 2016.
Lt. Gen. Jack Weinstein, who oversees the American nuclear arsenal, attributed the increased tensions with Russia largely to its actions.
The general who oversees the United States' atomic weapons arsenal has expressed concern over what he described as "much more aggressive" behavior by Russia in recent years, saying it justifies the need for a strengthened and modernized nuclear deterrent force in this country and with our NATO allies.

One can fart from it, in joy

Your nasty personality shows that ignorance is your bliss Crow.
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1 day ago  #610

Putin? Putin. Who else. I myself have a headache if just tries to blame some others. That strongly spinned I am.
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1 day ago  #611

let Slavs extinct, thinks some drunk and fat Anglo lord.

...blimey, Crow, I agree with you.

I also don't believe for one second that the US is going to get involved in a conflict with Russia over Poland. They're going to pour forces onto the German border and make it clear that tactical nuclear strikes will be used if Russia breaches that line.
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1 day ago  #612

I also don't believe for one second that the US is going to get involved in a conflict with Russia over Poland

It pains me to say it of my country, but the US is not and has never been a very good ally....
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1 day ago  #613

Well... I think sometimes you were, there's no faulting the huge contributions made in WW2 for instance, even if they were understandably reluctant to get involved in the beginning.

But I think people are remarkably naive if they think that the US is going to throw everything into defending Poland. Yalta should remind everyone of American pragmatism!
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1 day ago  #614

We are halfway across the globe from the USA. The Eastern coast in America is far more euro-centric than the West-coast, and it's mostly just the North-East. I think the relationship with USA is adequate.
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1 day ago  #615

but the US is not and has never been a very good ally....

Really.......and how many of your Countrymen died for the U.S. in combat supporting the U.S. in the Korean Conflict or the Vietnamese Conflict post WW2 ?
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1 day ago  #616

...blimey, Crow, I agree with you.

sure you do. You are intelligent

Russia sometimes maybe wasn`t sincere on Poland but God knows that Russians, for their own interests, have all reasons that Poland exist, no matter every antagonism between two peoples/elites. Anglos on the other side, for the contra reason, see Poland only as just another Slavic hole worthy to drop dead. If they in the process may use Poland against Russia, even better.

I also don't believe for one second that the US is going to get involved in a conflict with Russia over Poland.

Exactly, in case of war Poland would be prelude to hell. Arena for conventional war. In case of any serious Russian advance, NATO powers wouldn`t hesitate to use nuclear strikes against Russians there on the Polish ground. Oh, for Anglos that would be perfect situation. They would have excuse to exterminate many Slavs in one hit. Irronically, Germans would complaint to Anglos probbaly solely for the reason of soil pollution. Germans would at least want clean land once when Slavs extinct. Anglos wouldn`t give a sh**.

Now, think of the Russian position. Think how is hard to explain situation to the people. But, we Slavs pays for our sins. all of us. Didn`t we betray Svetovod and didn`t we embraced foreign learning? Yes, we did. We all did. So no wonder what happening to us. Did we expect that would foreigners have more love for us then for themselves.
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1 day ago  #617

Russia is precisely what is holding slavs back. Precisely who sold them before. Your posts are total lies crow. You would have to have ended your education before high school not to laugh. In your case you received rubbish lies from dictatorship and from others around you who are also too far gone. Its all.made up in communist school you poor bugga.
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23 hours ago  #618

.made up in communist school

what else does he know?




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