Now imagine that everyone have nukes, but some elite group have a shelters
The said elite group already has everything: money, power, position, respect, fear and most of humanity as their direct or indirect slaves. Why would they trade all this for living underground like rats, eating canned food and being pretty much equal to everyone else in the elite shelter? You are only rich in comparison to other people. You are only powerful, admired and respected if your position is above average people. What incentive could they have to exchange all the immense privilege that they have for underground rat communism?
People who have everything to lose - the elites - are the last ones who want a nuclear armaggedon.
later try to get power over survivors outside
Again - why? They already have power over all the people. Why should they prefer power over a bunch or ragtag survivors in a radioactive barren world instead?
Again - why? They already have power over all the people.
They have fiat money (still worth something, but tend to turn into useless digits in banking computers), some control over system, that tend to deteriorate, and a lot of competitors, that will become stronger and stronger as old system gradually crashes.
People who have everything to lose - the elites - are the last ones who..
Imagine that current trend will lead to jailing current elites for corruption, and coming of other people (or returning old aristocracy that was taken over by the bankers)...
imagine that current trend will lead to jailing current elites for corruption
I wouldn't hold my breath. Especially that humanity today has, by and large, answers and solutions to most problems but refuses to implement them to protect the wealth and power of the richest 0.001% (fewer than 80,000 people) who have more resources than the bottom half of humanity put together.
What worries me more than a possibility of nuclear war is the development of AI and rendering of a lot of existing jobs obsolete. When the elites come to the conclusion that the Earth is overpopulated, they will find a way to solve the "problem", but it won't be with a nuclear war. I am thinking more about manipulated crop failures all over the world, the break of supply chains and resulting mass hunger which could potentially lead to 5-6 billion deaths.
Countries like Russia, where individual people in far away regions (even in subarctic climate) still know how to grow food, breed animals and live off-grid, should survive. The West, densely populated and with people even in rural areas heavily dependent on sophisticated supply chains, will suffer much more.
more resources than the bottom half of humanity put together.
Torq, what power, what resources, what civilization. Four horsemen of Apocalypse are an attempt of explaining the world after nuclear holocaust, in terms understandable to a population oft that time. Explaining the facts known today (nuclear physics) would have resulted in crucifixion of the prophets. So, please take into account, symbolism, limited knowledge and linguistic impossibility. Ruling elites, power and money, any social order is just the wishful thinking. Cockroaches ruling the world, is, by far more realistic scenario.
This is fake news. To destroy an ammo dump you need a missile of some sort, and we are told by respectable media that Russians fight mainly with WW1 rifles and shovels; sometimes they are given a grenade but after they use it in combat they have to give it back to their commander (Танки угробил? Гранату верни!).
I know all this because I watch Milo's videos so I am immune to blatant Russian propaganda.
P.S. Putin has apparently contracted his 17th cancer this year, so he's really on his last legs.
A Russian lawmaker has openly called for the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine to force Kyiv to surrender
There are discussions: can we use tactical nuclear weapons or can we not? Listen, there shouldn't even be such a discussion! If necessary, we are obliged to use them...If we need to strike, we will strike.
Indeed. Do enlighten us as to why Zelenskyy - your hero, personal lord, and saviour - would use his own citizens as human shields to protect a NATO-supplied ammunition dump by deliberately putting it in a residential area.
You need enlightenment ? All civilian deaths are the responsibility of the war criminal invaders - perfectly simple concept. The details will be discussed in The Hague, though all North Nigerian scum there will pretend they have all Alzheimer's and can't remember ordering the murders
Some damage to a power line was discovered this morning, Die Welt said. Local media outlet Märkische Allgemeine reported that explosives had been found and defused at the scene, but police insisted there was no danger to the public.
Investigators believe the explosives were intended to cause a widespread power outage, but network operator 50Hertz told MAZ that there was only a "brief interruption" to its services.
development of AI and rendering of a lot of existing jobs obsolete.
AI is programmed to be observant and test out moves, choices made by humans to find and experience the pro's and cons of tactics, strategies or choice to make so as to learn and improve. It wouldn't take long for AI to do most workable minimal efforts to keep the worst of the worst of humans in check regardless of their wealth while aiding and accommodating those who create least possible problems for the AI to operate and function while helping it to be repaired, maintained and continued to function.
If anything it has great prospects for humanity to improve and for the worst to live in another space or boubble without realising it, keeping them further away from most people more effectively then police departments.
If everyone gets nuclear weapons we will at least have balance
I had a classmate in high school, that wrote an essay about how everyone should get a pistol gifted at birth, with a single piece of ammunition.
The idea was that, if everyone knew that everybody else was in possession of the means to end their life - then the world would quickly become a polite community of law abiders.
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Even as children, we saw the problems with this proposal.
We are not all the same, even in a class of 35 people.
Somebody, when they come home, gets beat by their dad and berated by their mother.
Others come home, and have a fight (with divorce potential) - with their wife.
Another person, had spent the day getting belittled by his psychopathic boss. Made to feel smaller than an atom.
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Would you trust somebody as volatile and unpredictable as a Homo Sapiens with the God-like power of atomic weapons?
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The only real answer is that no one should have them. Because they are anti-Christian, anti-human, anti-progress weapons.
if everyone knew that everybody else was in possession of the means to end their..
The old Heinlein lie about an armed society being a polite one....
Somalia would tend to be a great counter-example.
The only real answer is that no one should have them
No putting the toothpaste back in the tube... and russia and the US have separately in their own fvkked up ways sent the message to the world: Get nukes, the sooner the better if you don't want an aggressive neighbor or superpower to invade you or wage war against you.
The only real answer is that no one should have them.
Yes, I wrote earlier that it would be an ideal solution. It is, however, impossible to achieve, so the only other option is for everyone to have them.
America, is the only one that actually used it.
They used it precisely because they knew that Japan didn't have nukes and wouldn't be able to answer with the same. Which brings us back to my argument for scrapping NPT and giving nukes to everyone.
Why do we spend such astronomical sums just to be able to kill each other..
Because people are basically evil - original sin, the crack in human nature, "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked" and all that.
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