Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 30

@Przelotnyptak1

What in the hell are you trying to say? I can't make heads or tails of it.

The key to sarcasm is clarity of what you are trying to deride. You gotta up your sarcasm game, Ptaki.


So what? Just keep blowing **** and people up until there's nothing or no one else to blow up?

If big slavic hearts and the will to survive is all we got, we'll get utter destruction--they are both slavs with big slavic hearts and the will to survive.

@AntV▲ 0▼ 0

I didn't see this before.

What Western guarantees and promises are you talking about?

Is it the 1994 Budapest thing? If that's it, how did US and UK break their guarantees or promises? Russia did, but what about the IS and UK?

Do you think those fuarantees and promises we're to defend Ukraine, like so many do? Because that was not the promise.

The promise was that the US and UK ( the westerners) would acknowledge UKes borders and not attack Uke. The US and UK never guaranteed to defend Uke.

@AntV▲ 0▼ 0

You are defending this guy ? A thief who had a private zoo and a wooden pirate ship in his own lake in the back yard. Why do you think he had to leave ?

It's as bad as Rich with his hypotheticals about North Nigerian missile bases in Mexico.

You are naive to think this is about NATO - it's a colonial war and Putler set that out clearly to his own people the night before the invasion, with a 3 hour lecture about Noggin the Nog and Nogbad the Bad and the imperial destiny of the drunk North Nigerians.

@cms neuf▲ 0▼ 0

Defending? That's a weird assertion. I simply stated a fact.


And you are a sucker to think it's a colonial war.

@AntV▲ 0▼ 0

The MO is exactly the same as in colonial times - banning Ukrainian in schools, removing children to North Nigeria, destroying monuments and renaming streets, local governments full of North Nigerian stooges

And of course the ultimate colonial move - saying these provinces are now a part of North Nigeria for ever, and including that in the constitution

@cms neuf▲ 0▼ 0

@cms neuf

Is it the MO of a colonial power to reduce its subject to rubble?

Let's run with your theory, it is about colonialism. How does it reduce or negate Russia wanting to fend off NATO butting against its border?

Russia made it known since the SU fell it didn't want NATO up against its border, which shouldn't stun anyone.

@AntV▲ 0▼ 0

We are only having this discussion because of the most vile, demonic treaty that was ever concocted in the evil minds of this world's elite - NPT.

The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, which basically means that only some countries are allowed to have nuclear weapons, have created conditions for unprecedented corruption and rot within the countries possessing them. The rot caused by greed, lust for power, or any other sin that, in the old days, would be corrected by the fall of a corrupt country. These days a country possessing nuclear weapons can be as rotten and sinful, and as corrupt as is demonically possible, and still it cannot fall; its position cannot be thoroughly verified by morality, honour and common sense because they have those damn nukes.

What I say applies equally to Israel, Russia, China and the USA - all countries in which we see the deeply ingrained sin and rot, and none of them can fall. It's unnatural.

Imagine if Carthage had nuclear weapons, and they could never ultimately have fallen, no matter how many children they had thrown into Moloch's furnaces. Imagine the evil human-sacrificing Aztec or Inca empires could never have fallen because they had had nukes; or the Third Reich. The horror. The abomination.

That's why NPT has to be thrown to the bin. In the ideal world the nukes would disappear off the face of the Earth, but that's not going to happen. Therefore all the countries threatened with outside invasion or intervention must have nukes in numbers that will make invading them totally unprofitable. The vomit-inducing bastards who think they are untouchable because they have nukes would loose all their unfair advantage if it happened.

#scrapNPT #NPTisevil #stoptherot

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

Absolutely - mass murder of colonial subjects and destruction of their houses is very much on brand. The French, Belgians, British, Portuguese all did that, as did the US during their 100 year genocide of native populations

And who cares if North Nigeria doesn't want NATO on their borders. They don't have the right to dictate to other sovereign countries and in 1991, with a barter economy, a mutiny in the military, and drunk on home made sherbert, they did not have the means to lay down any ground rules.

I have no idea why you take the side of war criminals and thieves and then suggest that this is the "adults in the room" view

@cms neuf▲ 0▼ 0

And in our new reality....

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@mafketis▲ 0▼ 0

Quite right.

Human nature is inherently sinful, so if we give some countries such huge unfair advantage over others as the NPT does, the rot will be immense. If everyone gets nuclear weapons we will at least have balance - a fragile one but still.

If we don't scrap NPT, we will still have to watch the absolutely despicable walking abominations like Putin and Trump running the world. Do we want that, Cms? Are we really happy with it, Cms? Are we willing to tolerate it, Cms?

Think about it.

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

Torq I have long agreed that Poland should have nukes. As soon as it became clear that Europe was expendable to America it is the only logical response.

I can even see the Iranian point of view in developing them - the US has now openly said they are going to take 50 percent of all Venezuela's oil, so they would logically do the same in Iran.

@cms neuf▲ 0▼ 0

...well...na ja....that NPT somehow avoided a nuclear self destruction of humanity during the last decades....and it still didn't stop the liberation of the East '89!

Do you truly think it would had gone the same way if nutters like...say....North Koreans (the real ones!) or your common gang leader in some Third World country had likewise access?

@Bratwurst Boy▲ 0▼ 0

Yes.

NPT only works with countries that are willing to abide by political norms, and it collapsed (for Poland) the minute russia crossed the border into Ukraine and started having tantrums and threatening to use nukes....

russia spoils everything it's a part of...

@mafketis▲ 0▼ 0

....if Poland can have nukes, than Germany can for sure too...😏

@Bratwurst Boy▲ 0▼ 0

North Koreans have nukes precisely because they didn't give a single f*ck about NPT.

And it was not the NPT that prevented the self-destruction of humanity, but the balance of fear - a balance that would be even stronger if every country possessed nuclear weapons. There could be no greater disincentive to large-scale military conflict than every country having its own nuclear deterrent.


Of course. That's the whole point.

Imagine a world in which Putin and Trump can only play with their own dicks (i.e. their own countries) because direct wars and invasions between nuclear powers are not viable. This is the world I want for my children.

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

....your trust in mankind is admirable, Torqi....but I fear there will always be someone somewhere who with the possibility, WILL actually press the button, for a myriad of reasons or just one of his own, if he can.

Right now there is procedure for a whole gov before it could think of to press the button...imagine every dictator nutter could do it without any procedure at all! Imagine Hitler had had access to nukes...not even at the beginning, but at the end!

@Bratwurst Boy▲ 0▼ 0

I have trust in self-preservation instinct, BB. Nobody wants to die, or hide underground like a rat for the rest of their lives, especially not the ones with money and power - no matter if they rule the USA or Zimbabwe.

The idea of balance of fear is a sound one but it has to be extended on all the world, not just a handful of abominable c*nts who think they're better than everyone else.

And if we can trust the human hive like China, the chaos machine like Russia, the hell of greed and narcicism like the USA, or the religious nutters like Pakistan and Israel with atomic weapons, then we can trust anyone else with them as well.

#downwithNPT #NPTisretarded #BalanceOfFearForEveryone

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

It's not just the NNs that are being irresponsible with nuclear rhetoric, but the US too, and Pakistan and India

Maybe things will change if the US goes back to stable leadership - but if the options for 2028 would be say AOC v Vance then the rest of the world will continue to make their own security arrangements - not just military security but also financial systems, energy supply etc

@cms neuf▲ 0▼ 0

There will be enough who don't want to survive at all costs but who want to go down in "glory"....and/or: "if I go down I'll take you with me"!

(And some who are just nuts)

When everybody has nukes, they lose their power! Wars will be started anyway as nobody can stop them just with threatening nukes...but think about it the war going the wrong way....the attacked are about to win, the attacker having no way out, do you really think he won't press the button and just give himself up???

If so many nukes are around, some WILL use them!

@Bratwurst Boy▲ 0▼ 0

I don't think so. If two neighbouring countries possess nuclear arsenals that assure mutual destruction in case of war, the wars simply won't be started. Did we have an all out war between Russia and the USA? Or - as a matter of fact - between any nuclear powers? I don't mean retarded border skirmishes but proper all-out war?

No? Exactly.


If the Hive (China) hasn't used them, nor has the Chaos Machine (Russia), nor the religious nutters from Israel or Pakistan, not even North Koreans, then I don't see many more countries more f*cked up these days that would be ready to use them*. And if they did - M.A.D. natural selection.

Why would Peru invade Bolivia, if both had nuclear arsenals enough to wipe each other out? Why would Zambia invade Zimbabwe or Czechia attack Austria? Nonsensical.

My idea, if put into practice, would effectively end the era of wars and armed conflict but that's exactly what the evil scoundrels behind NPT don't want - they want to be able to start wars and, if they see it benefits them, resort to nuclear threats. This has to stop - no more a handful of vile retards should be able to terrorize the world.

#scrapNPT #NPTisevil #stopthecorruption #downwithNPT #NPTisretarded #BalanceOfFearForEveryone

* - and the reason Americans used them was precisely because they knew Japan wouldn't be able to answer with the same

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

So it works! How do they say? "Never change a working thing!" or so?

Imagine Chechnia or Afghanistan with nukes...a nightmare! 🫤

"The Hive" for China, I like that! 😁👍

@Bratwurst Boy▲ 0▼ 0

Exactly. So if it works for the USA and Russia, there's no reason why it shouldn't work for any other two nuclear powers, which means any two countries in the world, if everyone has nukes.


If all the neighbours of Chechnia and Afghanistan had enough nukes to wipe them off the face of the Earth, the Chechens and Afghans would be rather reluctant to invade any of them. See, my idea is perfect. I am, as usual, well ahead of my times. You guys are still brainwashed by scoundrels like Putin and Trump into thinking that NPT is a good thing and that it's only them who should have nuclear weapons.

NPT is the matrix, guys. Wake up!

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

Well...if you put it that way....who can disagree with that!

@Bratwurst Boy▲ 0▼ 0

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Yes, sure, my only trouble is to pinpoint who the hell is trying to make Russia extinct of disappear. Other than that, everything is perfectly equal between Ukraine and Russia. Is that your point?

@Przelotnyptak1▲ 0▼ 0

And do what after the guarantied borders were violated? Oh, I forgot that Obama promised the blankets. Reminds me of the promises made by UK and France before the out brake of WW2.

@Przelotnyptak1▲ 0▼ 0

What Russia wants, Russia gets, unilaterally decided by Russia, is that your dream? Uncanny, balanced way of thinking.

@Przelotnyptak1▲ 0▼ 0

Torq, it would make sense, except for the fact that, by this point in time, human race would be extinct Problem solved.

@Przelotnyptak1▲ 0▼ 0

Well, no, except if you are believing the promise of 72 virgins, end never ending sexual ogre, you migh be tempted .

@Przelotnyptak1▲ 0▼ 0

One virgin is too many, who could manage 72? 0_0 Besides, those who believe the fairy tale about 72 virgins are not the ones in power, so I wouldn't worry about it.


That's actually a rather apt nickname for Trump!

@Torq▲ 0▼ 0

Now imagine that everyone have nukes, but some elite group have a shelters for some large group, loaded with everything to survive "nuclear winter" and later try to get power over survivors outside.

@Velund▲ 0▼ 0