Wow! Ptak is suddenly talking sense - what happened? 0_0
I was always here; you do have trouble with interpreting the meaning of my words. I never changed one little iota, I am steady as a rock, my believes are written in the stone. There are the moments for poetry, humor, relaxation, even satire, derision, sarcasm is always welcome addition, it is up to you to separate the grain from the chaff. I am not capable of proclaiming my Christian faith and in the attack of stupidity,[ next, posting the filthiest piece, of so call poetry, wishing his opponent fu*king by a dog. Rings a bell?
Crow, is it you?
Not exactly, but close. Crow was 90% right and the 10% slight exegaration.
"not white, you're Slavs" (another actual quote). We were supposed to be turned into a..
HaHaHaHa!! How NAIVE are you? Russians did NOT save us they TOOK US OVER! You really are a bonehead! My fathers family were sent to a camp in Siberia because they did not see Russians as our "Brothers", they were right to resist,49 years of Russian oppression followed, so much for "Brotherly love!".
Blood is thicker than water. Don't forget this.
That is by far your stupidest statement.Poles do not share Russian Mongolian blood!
Saved us by killing many of us, taking away our freedom etc.
Someone with a brain at last!
Horrible enslavement indeed. Almost doubling the population in 44 years.
Firstly, your comment is wrong and secondly it is totally irrelevent.
@Przelotnyptak1
You are a pathetic Slavic romantic!Poles may be Slavs but they moved away from "Slavdom" centuries ago.Poles are Poles now. And Serbia never deserved our support, we are closer to Croats.
Serbia is the Core Land - the spirit of Slavia is still very strong there.
And here lies the problem,people like Torq/Crow just don't understand that the world has moved on....
This is a long video, so most of you will not watch it all, but at least watch the first 5 minutes or so to see how Russians treat their own soldiers when they surrender to Ukrainians..... that is a RUSSIAN mentality and NOT a Polish one.Russia is fvcked part 233!
This is quite fascinating....Russia is fvcked part 234.....
Moscow in flames - nearly 200 Ukrainian drones attack Putin's capital
Nearly 200 Ukrainian drones have reportedly attacked Moscow. Videos show explosions, air defense fire, and massive blazes as critical infrastructure is hit. The war Russia has been waging on Ukrainian soil for years is thus becoming increasingly visible to the residents of the Russian capital as well....
Just like Hitler reasonably demanding the corridor.
Hitler was not taking possibility of diplomatic agreement seriously and demands were aimed at sowing internal strife. From historical documents we know that even if Polish government would accept everything, the invasion would go as planned.
Just like Hitler reasonably demanding the corridor
The official 'truth' in russia for quite some time is that Germany was being very reasonable and Polish intransigence (and hoped for support from the UK*) was the real cause of WWII...
*if anything russia hates the UK more than the US and crank out fantasy books about destroying or preventing the British Empire are a real thing there.
... Konovalets in the 1930s established systematic cooperation between the OUN and the Abwehr and the military intelligence services of the Third Reich. He personally met with Adolf Hitler twice and received German funding to build an underground nationalist movement. The organization he created unleashed widespread terror, which culminated in anti-Jewish pogroms, and the Volhynia Genocide.
Zelensky personally threw the first handful of soil onto the coffin, solemnly placed his hand over his heart, and accepted from military personnel the flag that had covered the remains.
And later, when someone mentions denazification, the same people will say - "no, no - we are not nazis, this is all Russian propaganda". 😡 🤬 😡
Never more true than in Central Europe over the centuries....😏
cms is right here, Torqi.....with a little twist of history (mainly Hitlers error to attack the soviet ally), Poland would have suffered the same fate as Ukraine did. Would you call violent fighters for polish freedom, polish statehood, based on polish nationalism, supported by Nazi-Germany(as it would had been much smarter by Hitler) today also call Nazis/terrorists whatever???
PS: Think about that weird old photo, with Hitler sitting at Pilsudskis funeral....it could had have happened! Poland + Nazi-Germany against Sovietunion
Yes, too bad he couldn't see what his friends Melnyk, Bandera, and Shukhevych did later. He would have been so proud!
Torz? Ztorq? jaljubljuputin?
F*ck off.
The NNs are Nazis today, in 2026.
Sure. Doesn't mean we have to forget about the Nazis of the past. Especially if current-day politicians are honouring them as heroes.
Would you (...) also call Nazis etc.
I would certainly call them that if they had commited atrocities that made even Waffen-SS scared of what they had seen.
Poland + Nazi-Germany against Sovietunion
It's not about Country_X + Nazi-Germany against Soviet Union. Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Croatia or Finland - all sent troops to Eastern Front to aid Hitler against Soviet Union. This is not the point.
The point is that in case of Ukrainian allies of Hitler, they didn't just go to eastern front to fight the Red Army, but they committed most horrible genocide that made even SS henchman pale with horror, and now they are celebrated as heroes. That's the problem.
... and if someone refuses to understand that, well I'm helpless. Words fail me.
but they committed most horrible genocide that made even SS henchman pale with horror
First...I doubt that....the SS was in a class of their own!
Second...so did the Russians, you know about Katyn, as they tried to murder the whole leadership and intelligentsia of Poland, as they wanted already to do even before Hitler got the "glorious" idea of Barbarossa.
and now they are celebrated as heroes.
Now...that isn't an ukrainian thing....reminds me about the Arabs here in Berlin....running onto the streets, partying, giving out baklava whenever one terrorist attack of theirs worked...killing lotsa innocent civilians! Such a guerilla-war is problably the worst and most dirtiest, and celebrating their fallen dead as heroes is just part of it.
Nothing worthy of starting to support Moscow now!
If you still think so, please explain it to me more slowly....with easy words...😊
First...I doubt that....the SS was in a class of their own!
I can't recall the name of the book, but the excerpts were from military reports and soldiers' memoirs - SS formations that came across the atrocities and the evidence of it in Volhyn were profoundly shocked with the level of sheer violence. It is not to say that SS didn't commit horrible atrocities as well. During and after the Warsaw Uprising German SS-men were "excelling" in murdering civilians alongside Russians from RONA/Kaminski brigade and Ukrainians from 34th SS Police Regiment and Ukrainian auxiliary police companies. Volhyn, though, was on a complete different level of cruelty.
Second...so did the Russians
I know, but how does that justify the cult of genocide perpetrators in Ukraine?
Nothing worthy of starting to support Moscow now!
Whose supporting Moscow?
please explain it to me more slowly....with easy words
Hmm... OK... let's try....
I think what some people are not able to deal with is a sort of cognitive dissonance that they are experiencing. They want a world in which Russians are 100% evil demons, and Ukrainians are 100% pure angels. This world doesn't exist.
Those people just cannot comprehend that both sentences...
1. Russians were wrong to conduct the imperialistic invasion Ukraine, they committed war crimes there, and the international community of civilised countries should unite and help Ukraine win this war.
2. In Ukraine there is a state-level glorification of nazi-collaborating genocide perpetrators from OUN/UPA and direct nazi military formations (Waffen SS-Galizien), and the international community should unite and protest against this.
... can be and, indeed, are true.
Yes, both these sentences are true and normal people should feel a vomit reflex at both the Russian invasion and the Ukrainian worship of genocide perpetrators.
they committed most horrible genocide that made even SS henchman pale with horror
Worse than the Croatian Ustaše? I've heard what they did sickened the nazis but I've never looked up specifics... and modern Croatia is full of Ustaše imagery.
, and the international community should unite and protest against this.
Thing is, Putin justified his attack on Ukraine with them being Nazis and/or led by Nazis, remember? He actually talked of "liberating" them from said Nazis (in six weeks in Kiev)....
And the world being that grey place that it is (never fully white/never fully black) it still evokes a pretense of supporting Putin and his invasion....hence most people try to stay clear of that topic, as deserved as it might be, just till this war has ended, you know?
The Croatian government and parliament explicitly commemorate the victims of the Ustaše and condemn the NDH regime. Even recently, at the 2026 Jasenovac commemoration, parliament speaker Gordan Jandroković explicitly said that Croatia both respects the victims and "condemn[s] the Ustasha regime" responsible for the crimes.
See the difference between the attitude of Croatian government towards Ustaše and the state-level worship of OUN/UPA in Ukraine?
just till this war has ended, you know?
Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr, and all that. But, looking at today's Ukraine, I somehow doubt that after the war they will magically condemn OUN/UPA like the Croatian government condemned the Ustashe.
I somehow doubt that after the war they will magically condemn OUN/UPA
You NEED peace and security for that...during such a war fighting for your statehood and freedom I think that an inhumanly task, seriously! For most people daily bombarded such things will be quite at the bottom of their task-list....
But I suppose we can expect more from the country's elites.
Nobody said Selensky always makes the smartest decisions...I keep forgetting that he was a comedian once...but then, he is now a war-leader...those people usually also enjoy extra protection when they would had been kicked out of office during normal peace times long ago already.
Polish government would accept everything, the invasion would go as planned.
Well yes, but how you justified Austria making any demands on anybody. Besides celestial bodies were perfectly aligned, bringing Poland, from the ashes and Serbians provided spark, to make miraculous event happen. Big thankyou Gavrilo Princip, you deserve a monument from the thankful nation Do you listen, Torq, not Russians, not Prussians, or perfidious West it comes from within, the Slavia, Poland's reborn and recreation. The moral is, forget the outsiders, count on your own, be firm but humble.
If I was perhaps too quick to form a negative judgment of you, please forgive..
Yeas, quick wrong and negative to tell the truth you were misled by my dislike of the Russian propaganda sown by Bobko, not to forget, you love to hear your voice so much you sometime disregard what other are saying. My advice, if you allow, don't take what I say literally, I often hyperbolize, use humor and satire, ridicule, mock, derision and many other tools in my writing, but for now we understand each other a little bit better.
They want a world in which Russians are 100% evil demons, and Ukrainians are 100% pure angels...
This is where you fail to understand the history.Ukrainians were far more afraid of Russians than Germans and sided with what they thought was the lesser of two evils.You really need to do more research as your ignorance is obvious.Did you know that some Polish underground fighters sided with the Germans to fight the Russians?No, I thought not.You may live in Poland and may speak Polish but I don't for a second believe you are Polish.... far too ignorant....
Well yes, but how you justified Austria making any demands on anybody.
Austria-Hungary does literally everything possible to give Serbia a way out and Serbs refused.
1903: Serbia military massacres entire pro-austrian royal family and installs new anti-austrian family1909; in exchange for AH recognizing new monarchy, Serbia promises AH to "stop" anti-austrian terrorism; Serbia never follows through Meanwhile Black Hand's leader, Apis who lead the 1903 coup, is head of military intelligence, assassination attempt on governor of Bosnia and others by Black Hand and Serbia does nothing to stop this. 1914: Black Hand assassinates the Archduke Serbia KNEW of this plot weeks beforehand and did not properly warn AH Serbia's "investigation" ends in a week and concludes no connection to Belgrade Serbia claims one of the plotters "never existed" at all AH realizes diplomacy will never work and sends ultimatum Serbia refuses the one point that would actually let AH verify their "investigation" (allowing AH investigators into Serbia)
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