Russians and Russophiles are so blinded by Russian propaganda that they just don't see what is happening on the ground. Will Russia attack Poland?No.It would be suicidal and although the Polish military could probably deal with it, the whole of NATO would kick in too. Disaster fot Russia!Russia is fvcked part 173.
In 2038 is it more likely that Russia or Ukraine will be at war with Poland?
It is indeed a valid concern, Amiga. And maybe even sooner than 2038. We're raising a snake in our backyard, and I've been saying that for a long time.
I don't know of any milieus in Russia who would be expressing territorial ambitions regarding Polish territory, whilst in Ukraine such groups, openly talking about "Zakerzonia" as Ukrainian lands, exist (however fringe and politically marginal they might seem to us at the moment).
Those who claim that Ukraine might become a greater threat to Poland than Russia should not be ridiculed because ominous signs, like the worship of UPA and Waffen-SS Galizien, are there not to be ignored.
"Valid" in the same sense that Putin's concerns about NATO invading Russia are valid.
Russia should not be ridiculed because ominous signs
They should be ridiculed because the entire premise is ridiculous.
And you can find "onnious signs" in every country about anything.
There are openly antisemitic politicians in Poland like Braun and the discourse over Israel is getting more and more heated. Yet would you agree that jews in Poland need to fear a pogrom in the not-so-distant-future?
And maybe even sooner than 2038. We're raising a snake in our backyard, and I've been saying that for a long time
I am sure that when Ukraine wins the war, the victory will breed some extreme and sometimes ugly national pride - same thing happened in Croatia when they defeated their disorganized and poorly equipped "big brother".
But I honestly can't see the exhausted and skint Ukrainians decide that now they have won, it's time to invade their richer neighbors who are members of NATO
Ukraine will not win the war, no matter what the media says. The war is being sustained by the profiteering Amerikan military-industrial complex, which wants to sell as many goods and services as possible. Ukraine cannot outlast Russia, especially considering that both Europe and the US are collapsing under their own debt.
You show serious signs of dementia when posting "North Nigeria." Russia can scare Ukraine and Europe with their "nukes" even if their army collapses. Ukraine and EU has no response to that, especially that Trump is held hostage by Israel and siphons all resources to them. Has Ukraine built their own Starlink and doesn't rely on Musk's any more?
We are not scared of North Nigerian nukes - **** em. They have been waving them around for 4 years and are obviously too pussy to use them.
Ukraine can easily hit North Lagos with drones and missiles. France and Britain have nukes too.
The Germans and Japanese are working on Starlink replacements. **** Elon Musk - his days of holding the world hostage are over. To be fair to him he has turned off NN access to his satellites
They already started - first slowly but then quick. The North Nigerians will eventually want to go back to their wooden shacks and be with their wives and mums
It took the Afghans 8 years to expel the UNNR but they did it.
In 2038 is it more likely that Russia or Ukraine will atta be at war with Poland?
Are you serius?
Those who claim that Ukraine might become a greater threat to Poland than Russia should not be ridiculed
Another nutcase!!!Ukraine will never again be a threat to Poland but Russia will continue to be....
But I honestly can't see the exhausted and skint Ukrainians decide that now they have won, it's time to invade their richer neighbors
Spot on!! And especially a nation that has helped them so much...Amiga and Torq are complete and utter headcases!
Ukraine will not win the war
Yet another moron! Is that all that is left on PF?Morons? Ukraine will win the war because Russia's economy is colapsing much faster than the Wests.....
I am amazed at how many pro Russian morons are still on PF.....
BTW admin, why has the "Members" tag been removed?
Russia my soon be the only one able to fund the Ukrainian war.
"Ukraine has a significantly higher government debt-to-GDP ratio, with debt exceeding $171 billion (roughly 90% to 100% of its GDP) due to the ongoing war. In contrast, Russia's government debt is around $440 billion, which represents a much lower 15% to 20% of its GDP."
Math doesn't lie. Try to go to a bank and get a loan when your debt to cash ratio is 1:1. Russia can continue the war for another 5 years and by then Ukraine will be bankrupt. The UK and the EU don't want to sponsor it as they are close to delinquency too. America has already bailed out with its 125% debt to GDP and growing.
can't see the exhausted and skint Ukrainians decide that (...) it's time to invade their richer neighbors
Ukraine will never again be a threat to Poland
It's remarkable how little understanding you have of war and of life in general.
But even with your woefully underdeveloped imagination, you must surely be able to conceive of radical nationalist turn in Ukraine, or a powerful post-war Ukrainian army coupled with nationalists' revisionist ambitions, or a collapse of the European security order (you don't have to use too much imagination for this one), or state collapse and spillover instability (weapons trafficking, organized crime, cross-border violence etc.), or Ukraine losing lands in the West and the fringe elements who dream of "Zakerzonia" rising to power and seek compensation in the west, or future Ukraine emerging as heavily militarized, dominated by veterans and politically authoritarian - such Ukraine can easily ally itself to AfD ruled Germany.
So, there is a hundred-and-one ways in which Ukraine can be a threat to Poland, you perfect retards, and we have to take them all into account. That's what strategists are for, and we are all strategists here, aren't we? (albeit slightly amateur).
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@Bobko - thank you. You see what kind of retards I have to deal with here. *sighs*
Yes, but Russia is the enemy we know and the enemy we have been preparing for, whilst Ukraine is being treated by some people like an angelic, fluffy, dreamland who will ever be grateful to Poland for all the help we gave them, will give us billions of profits during reconstruction*, and who will never be a threat to Poland (see the two geniuses I quoted above).
* we can already see how Polish firms are treated in Ukraine (e.g. Control Process S.A in Lwów) and, as Bobko pointed out, expecting profits from Ukraine is special-kind retarded
Yes, but Russia is the enemy we know and the enemy we have been preparing for
It's strange, this.
I spend a lot of time, like you, lurking around Israeli and Jewish forums and subreddits.
One thing that comes up there a lot - is Jews complaining that dealing with American or British, white collar, liberal, antisemites is much worse than dealing with some Egyptian or Yemeni unapologetic and rabid antisemite.
For some reason, Homo sapiens is much more comfortable around somebody who is in active confrontation, as opposed to someone who is ambiguously hostile.
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Anyway - Russia has no strength and no appetite for Poland. Soon as we're done with this Ukraine thing, we're gonna go back home and lick our wounds for 15-20 years.
much more comfortable around somebody who is in active confrontation, as opposed to someone who is ambiguously hostile
Very astute observation! Open hostility is much easier to deal with than covert hatred and a knife (or tryzub) hidden under the coat. People prefer predictable adversaries. Better the devil you know and all that.
we're gonna go back home and lick our wounds for 15-20 years
Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr, as ancient Serbians used to say, but be that as it may - 15-20 years will pass rather quickly, and we will want to be ready then. Besides, as good oprichniks in service of our respective countries we also have to take other scenarios into account. It's easier to be a Maf, a Milo or a Cms - with their black-and-white, simple childish world - but, alas, we adults have to calculate various scenarios.
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