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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9


Bobko 25 | 2,002
18 Jan 2024 #181
NATO provoked Russia

Correct

Ukraine nationalists started the war and should just surrender

Also, correct.

Is that what you mean>?

Yes.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
18 Jan 2024 #182
Talking points of Russian propaganda

Correct!
johnny reb 47 | 7,057
19 Jan 2024 #183
Ukrainian Drone Flies Over Putin Palace in Attack on St. Petersburg Oil Depot.
Vlady must not have been home or they would have slipped one down his chimney.
Novichok 5 | 7,853
19 Jan 2024 #184
should just surrender without a fight,

U and Z don't have to surrender since Russia never intended to occupy U.
Russia wants the U army out of Russia - specifically out of D and L - and U to forget NATO and be neutral.

That's it.
Novichok 5 | 7,853
19 Jan 2024 #185
Strikes on mercenaries in Ukraine 'painful for the West' - Finnish editor
Russia killed 60 foreign fighters in a missile attack on Kharkov, the Russian Defense Ministry has said


60 a-holes fewer...Good.

Memo to the a-holes who are still alive: Go to Texas and help the National Guard to protect the US from the Biden invasion, morons...
Torq 5 | 667
19 Jan 2024 #186
Routine post, to remind everyone that if you want to be on the side of truth, you will support an end to this nightmare of a war.

Hear, hear!

Send the reminder to your man Putin, Bobi. He started it, so it's only fair that he should finish it too.
cms neuf 1 | 1,782
19 Jan 2024 #187
Do you seriously think Udmurtia has missiles that could accurately target troops ?

Why is there no other evidence of this strike than the Udmurtian defence ministry ?

Bobko i take it you are not thinking of joining your friends at the front ? Still happy to fight a troll war and let the dying be done by the big eared farm boys L
Torq 5 | 667
19 Jan 2024 #188
British defence factories are pretty damn good and I've long said that Poland could have a strong future developing a larger Polish-owned defence industry.

*thumbs up*

It never hurts to be more self-reliant, and a lot of Polish strategy is going exactly in this direction.

If only we had our own nuclear weapons... we could comfortably go neutral and tell everyone to f*ck off (in a diplomatic way, of course).
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,024
19 Jan 2024 #189
@jon357
Purchases are not hand outs. Hand outs are Ukraine, Irag, Afghanistan, Syria, and another hundred bases around the world acting as the wests police force. Keeping the world safer by keeping the turd world sand nigg@rs from invading and destroying the rest of Europe. France and Germany will never recover from the bull$hit EU mingrant mandates.

Poland should have started their own nuke program decades ago. Why not now?
cms neuf 1 | 1,782
19 Jan 2024 #190
Iraq was America's idea - basically nothing to do with Europe's citizens and politicians, most of whom opposed it

Afghanistan - many European nations supported their US allies after they were attacked on 9/11. Most citizens supported this, at least initially and I certainly don't remember any small minded bellyaching about their taxes being used for that

Syria - basically a US adventure

Ukraine - European support from some countries has been great, from some it has been shameful

Rest of your post is just far racist nonsense and a bit strong for breakfast time.

Why don't you remind us that Trump is coming back and nothing good will happen until the Mexican something
Torq 5 | 667
19 Jan 2024 #191
Poland should have started their own nuke program decades ago.

The fact that we didn't might have had something to do with the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. I say down with this silly treaty.
mafketis 36 | 10,865
19 Jan 2024 #192
Trump is coming back

To not build a wall again?
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,024
19 Jan 2024 #193
@cms neuf
Racist? Why? Because all of the studies show that the crime rates across the EU countries flooded with muslims have gone through the roof? Who wants to talk about facts though when you can just call something racist. Racist is the leftist socialist movement that is telling white men they are toxic because they are masculine and want families with traditional values and culture.

Iraq was very much involving the EU. The EU was divided over the war, yes, but certainly not against it.

Syria is also very much an EU matter. The EU is the largest provider of aid to Syrians, while Assad continues to kill people behind Russian protection. Assad capturing and keeping a lot of the EU aid that is sent not allowing it to reach civilians.

Afghanistan was self defense, why would I or any other American claim it otherwise. It was also an action to eliminate the terrorist threats presented to the rest of the world. You know like things that happened in Sweden later, and all the insanity from these illegals in the EU now. Poland, not one terrorist attack. YET. Strat letting muslims in with big numbers and it will happen.
johnny reb 47 | 7,057
19 Jan 2024 #194
It was also an action to eliminate the terrorist threats presented to the rest of the world.

How about Iran (Russia's allie) that said they were going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth ?
Iran could produce enough fuel for six nuclear bombs in just one month and even produce a single atomic bomb in as little as a week, a former UN inspector has warned, as fears of a growing regional conflict surge.

Why is Iran (the head of the snake supporting the terrorist groups) being ignored ????
They are the ones that are going to start WW3 or have they already.
jon357 74 | 21,940
19 Jan 2024 #195
Purchases are not hand outs

There are no "hand outs"

Why is Iran (the head of the snake supporting the terrorist groups) being ignored

They go for low hanging fruit. Iran is too difficult and dangerous.
johnny reb 47 | 7,057
19 Jan 2024 #196
Who is the low hanging fruit ?
Iran is who is supporting all the terrorist groups that are disrupting the cargo ships and oil tankers not to mention Hamas, Hezbolla, military proxy groups in Syria, Iraq and Gaza to mention a couple of many.

They stop the shipping and they will raise holy hell with the worlds economies.
You think Covid shut the economy down, just wait.
Poland should send their strategic bombers on a preemptive strike and take out Irans under ground nuclear facilities with bunker busters before Iran has a chance to launch their nukes. ;-/
Ironside 53 | 12,493
19 Jan 2024 #197
Routine post, to remind everyone that if you want to be on the side of truth, you will support an end to this nightmare of a war.

I do, I accept gracefully Putin's surrender.
johnny reb 47 | 7,057
19 Jan 2024 #198
A few more drone strikes on Moscow and St. Petersburg will get the peoples attention for having dinner parties for him on the tenth floor of restaurants.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
19 Jan 2024 #199
Syria - a US adventure

I disagree, there is involved the UK and France, those old colonial powers, had their fingers in the destruction of the Libanian regime, some organization 'white helmets' or some such that was supposed to be a charity of some sort and one that stinks from far away with MI this or MI that send some fake reports used to justify interventions on the side of 'democratic' opposition.

Why one democratic opposition is bad like Hamas and another is good, it is a rhetorical question
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Poland should send their strategic bombers on a preemptive strike and take out Irans

Why would Poland do that?
We historically have a very good relationship with Iran i.e. Persia and all that nonsense is American beef with them.
We don't have interest in the Middle East aside from one - not to get entangled or take sides.
However, we are being pushed to take sides there as Israel and the US in that order have issues with Iran and the better half of the Middle East.

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I must admit I do not get what interest is served to the UK that their warplanes are taking part in attacking Yemen.
They must have a lot of ties left to the region from its imperial days, I guess. Maybe there is something else... I just don't see what it is.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,024
19 Jan 2024 #200
@jon357
Everything in Ukraine is a hand out. The US taxpayers will never be paid back by Ukraine. Big banks like Chase and Blackrock will make money on reconstruction loans, but the people in the US get nothing.

@johnny reb
The only thing more dangerous than Iran is sleepy Joe escalating things when the US has no business being involved.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,177
19 Jan 2024 #201
@Ironside
Remember that U.K is a oil producer if my memory serves me correctly. Any Oil producer needs some sort deal, agreement or had a talk with Saudi Arabia.

Some kind of bargain must have been struck or asked for regarding Oil prices or a agreement of some sort. Iran has a lot of Oil production too right?

Iran and Saudi don't only rival ideologically, politically or religiously. But also economically
Ironside 53 | 12,493
19 Jan 2024 #202
but the people in the US get nothing.

That is the way things have worked for most people for most of history. The Gracchi brothers wanted to change it and their field but then their legacy was picked up by the man called Ceaser and his name went down in history as a title of a ruler in monarchy.

If you have oligarchs and plebs while the middle class is shrank and practically non-existent in a political sense then the only remedy is a monarchy or some kind of dictatorship. Republic and democratic ways won't work to appease and feed the plebs.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
19 Jan 2024 #203
regarding Oil prices

Could be ...but isn't Norway an oil producer too? and Venezuela? I wonder what it is specifically in this case.
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johnny reb 47 | 7,057
19 Jan 2024 #204
Ukraine "Black Jack" hackers hit jackpot in Russia.
Ukrainian hacking group linked to the country's main spy agency has stolen construction plans for more than 500 Russian military sites.
This has to give Putin major gas.
jon357 74 | 21,940
19 Jan 2024 #205
Everything in Ukraine is a hand out

No. It is a hedge against future wartime expenditure and an investment in future trade and the global stability required for trade.

Remember that U.K is a oil producer if my memory serves me correctly

Yes. Hugely though we often put the work out on service contracts to Norwegian companies since the most productive fields are adjacent to your North Sea sector and you have good service infrastructure and an excellent port at Stavanger.

Having said that, the U.K. has released licences recently for different North Sea blocks (a lot of them; they're maxing it out while fossil fuels are still in such high demand) to U.K. companies due to the problems caused by russia.

It's worth mentioning that Lavrov was putting pressure in 2022 on some oil producing countries in the developing world to keep production/exports low however most of them have now told russia to get lost and some are now producing at their highest capacity in many years.

It also looks like OPEC is a busted flush.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,024
19 Jan 2024 #206
@jon357
No Jon. It is a gamble, not a hedge. A hedge is when you are playing both sides but need protection. The US gets nothing by doing this. Only banks and MIC make money. Ukraine trade with the US? WTF are you talking about. You have obviously never been to Ukraine. They cant afford to buy US products. Even the US cars that are there are usually 20 or more years old. The truth is Jon, you dont GAF about the US, and like Ukraine, only want to use the US to better your own positions, and then forget about the US until the next time you need something. And that is exactly why US citizens are pushing back and cutting off the financial leaches.

Meanwhile, the US has now blocked 18 oil tankers from getting insurance and working for other oil companies after catching them shipping oil for Russia above the $60 a barrel price cap in place. The owners of those ships are now pretty much fvcked.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,177
19 Jan 2024 #207
@Ironside
You go to a grocery store for food, petrol station for fuel.

Anybody wanting anything from Norway, it's more often then not about diplomacy (international posts, UN etc, noble peace prize) fish trade or commerce in general or initiating talks with other Nordic countries.

You want RAF or MI6? You go to U.K
I don't think many are seeking for PST or "det Norske luftforsvaret" if you catch my drift.

@jon357
Excactly, Scotts also make a lot of noise in British politics cause of the confidence they have with the oil fields. One has to pay attention to such details

It's no surprise that Russia tries to find support in ending the hegemony of the dollar, they want Rubles to be on top. Or even a non-dollar crypto currency.

Saudi's, Iranians, Chinese and all serious internationally minded states are aware of this.
jon357 74 | 21,940
19 Jan 2024 #208
It is a gamble

Life is a gamble. Any investment in future security is an investment in future trade and prosperity.

That's why Britain's involved with and spending so much on tackling Iran's attacks on shipping; all shipping in the world is insured in London and attacks are costly to pay out for.

Short-termism is the height of folly; if the world's wealthy trading nations don't spend now, it will cost them far more later.

the US to

Most of their ordinary Joes don't have passports or any real concept that prosperity can be temporary. Life isn't about making a fast buck for oneself; it's about ensuring that society's wealth is sustainable in the future.

Saudi's, Iranians, Chinese and all serious internationally minded states are aware of this.

Turkey (a place to watch in the future) too. We may be hearing a lot more about their government-run "BTC Turk" cryptocurrency as time goes on.
Korvinus 2 | 457
19 Jan 2024 #209
The Internal Security Agency detained a KGB agent in Białystok. She pretended to be an oppositionist. "She spilled the beans after drinking alcohol" prepared by Joanna Zajchowska 11/01/2024 22:01

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114881,30586901,abw-zatrzymalo-w-bialymstoku-agentke-kgb-udawala-opozycjonistke.html

Training at the KGB is not what it used to be. That, or Zajchowska treated her to a mean "kociołek panoramixa."
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,024
19 Jan 2024 #210
@jon357
Your socialist take on things is not the American Way and never will be. We are responsible for ourselves, our families, and our neighbors, slowly supporting local communities, and lastrly states and the federal government. We are NOT responsible for any other country, or any one elses concept of democracy. When we give support, it has limits, and if that support is not used correctly, we have every right to stop the support. There is no benefit for the average American, and that Jon is the only thing that matters to Americans. So the European slant on what the US should do means nothing to anyone other than politicians who have something to gain or something to hide.

Ukraine is not an investment for the US. It is a money pit. Now, because of Ukraines failures, Ukraine is in this position of asking for more. Congress is doing the right thing by making requirements. When Congress asked sleepy Joe on wednesday for an outline of what the plan to win in Ukraine was, nothing but fvcking crickets from the babbling fool. When Z was asked for specifics he couldnt give any. This whole war is an exercise in stupidity and finger pointing.


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