Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

You are a curious fruit. You found one little fact that pleases you, and you are chewing it to death.

Do you not understand that the Moscow Grand Dukes ruled over many cities much older than Moscow itself, and that even the capital was not always in Moscow. For example, the oldest city in Russia (outside Crimea and its Ancient Greek polises), and the city in which Rurik was born - is Ladoga. Founded in the 800s. Then there is Great Novgorod, a city arguably more important than Kiev when it comes to the early days. There is Rostov, and Vladimir, and Tver, and many other places your ignorant ass has probably never heard about.

Go and write about swamps of Moscow on Twitter - they love that there.

We could send them some nice helments..is that an obvious answer?


that is a part of plan, escalation, they talk crazy, scare german citizens, Adf ??? already talk appeasment, they need more of the german public opinion to put more pressure onto the gov...

maybe it will work maybe not but it cheap so why not try it out ...

One interesting bit that I just remembered: in a special issue of Newsweek (3/2023) there is an interview with Aleksiey Fiediarov - a writer and social activist, former businessman - who spent some time in Russian prison (as any honest man in Russia is bound to). He claims that Simonjan and Soloviov often use prison slang and many inmates are not happy about it, so in case they ever end up behind bars, they will have a rather difficult time there. :)

Here's a link to Fiediarov's book...

czarne.com.pl/katalog/ksiazki/czlowiek-ktory-siedzial

Personally I think if Russia wants some arbitrary ancient territories back, they should probably give Karelia back to Finland and Konigsberg back to Germany first. Oh and remove all the Russians from those areas before giving them back, of course. Jesus, nobody wants that. When are Russia scheduled to invade Alaska, again?

Hahaha.

Those two are clowns. Vavilov is a mega clown.

Although... maybe Simonyan and Soloviev are extra big clowns - because in their case it is clear they do not believe a word they say. This Vavilov guy seems genuine.

Soloviev used to be a somewhat respected journalist, with totally normal views. Then he got a show on the big federal tv, and the big $, and chauffeured car - and something happened to him. Now his old journalist colleagues do not want to shake his hand.

Same story with Simonyan who was a very bright girl, with a promising journalist career. At a very young age she got a chance to develop RT, and it really went to her head.

In my circles in Russia, I know very few people who would willingly subject themselves to more than 3 minutes of Soloviev/Simonyan.

Unfortunately there is not much to watch on state channels in Russia, seeing as it is intended for 70 year old pensioners. Real information comes from the internet.

When did Putin say that he wanted Berlin, Paris, and London?

People are different...and they react differently.....with some such a strategy is surely successful and they get scared and wish for peace at all costs, but some get stoked differently, those prefer to bind the helmet more firmly and to invest in more and better arms to be prepared! :)


I would had thought especially these oldies would be more pragmatic and less hot for any new war in Europe...after what this generation had been through....

Ruthenia wasn't Rus. It was a crusader thing. Connected to Rome and not to Byzantium, European and not Euroasian.
Novgorod was ironically a Germanic thing, it was like the free cities of the northern plain of Germany. The Hanseatic league and so on. It also wasn't really Rus, in its institutions and culture, though it was an Orthodox beast connected to Byzantium.

What the hell does this even mean?

Thank you for restoring my faith in Russians. ;)

HEY! Have you forgotten about our soon-to-be-build-super-duper-anti-missile-shield??? :)

Kyivan Rus and Ruthenia (Galicia-Volhynia) are entities that have existed independently based around large parts of modern Ukraine, and both predate even the modern notion of Russia.

The "Russification" of Ukraine itself is only a few hundred years old, and did not proceed uninterrupted. The same logic could be applied to say Ukraine is "Polish" (but it would be silly too).

Yes, I get this, you think Kyivan Rus is somehow yours. And it's because, get this, some prince from Kyiv moved to Moscow or something like that.

Btw, there was no such state as Kyivan Rus, it's term created in like 19th century because we don't know how that state was called at the time.

Look why do you arguee a point? It doesn't matter in the context. You don't not Russians do you?
Each one is a valid reason to claim something as their ancient Russian land:
- it right there bordering Russia.
- in the past some Russian farted there.
- few people moved there from Russia .
- people who live there speak Russian
- it used to be a part of Moscow/Soviet Union, Russian Empire, could be for years, centuries or days do not matter.
- Some Russian army rape and robb on their way some area.
- some Russian army drive by it,
- some Russian went there for a holiday
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The only way to make Russian claims go away (for a while at least). Is to gave them a swift kick in thier ass and send them down the slope thumbling....

What you want to arguee about?

Words of wisdom...Z has been trying to follow your advice and by now even the puppet masters in DC are not sure if he can pull this off. I wish Z well in his new home in France.

Did not exist contemporaneously with Kievan Rus.

Along with Novgorod and Vladimir-Suzdal (Moscow) - it was one of three large states to emerge from the collapse of Rus.

It was the weakest of the 3, with the weakest claim to Rus, existed for the shortest period of time (because it was conquered by Poles about a century after it appeared).

It was Ruthenia back then, yes. But that's beside the point.

Point is Muscovy wasn't even a part of it due to being obscure. Russia is a XVII century creation with made up history. Russia is a place in the Bumfuck regions of Europe that anyone who has any claim to not being tries to distance themselves from. That's why Ukrainians insist they are Ukrainians and not Russians, even though as the present occupants of what was known as Kievan Rus, they have a better claim to being "Russian" than the Muscovites.

Quoting:

Top ten importers of Russian goods

China57.2bn
UK24.5bn
Turkey17.8b
Germany17.8bn
US17.7bn
Belarus16.3bn
Kazakhstan13.3bn
Poland11.5bn
Netherlands10.8b
Japan10.7b

For your conveninence, I highlighted Western war criminals

Are you stupid? I already told you the capital moved. It moved from Vladimir to Moscow, at some point. There are many Russians that are not from Moscow, and have never lived in Moscow. Why are you constantly attacking the history of this poor city?

It is like people claiming Brazil is not a real country, because Brasilia did not exist, when Rio De Janeiro was already a big city.

No serious person can take your argument seriously.

Out of Place, Out of Time. Good days of Russian trade with Europe are gone.
Try to provide current data.

Unless one is so deeply uninformed as to think the 'Rus' referred to in late antiquity has any direct relationship with the state that grew out of Moscow in the early modern period, after the Mongols torched all its competitors and had them tax their fellow Slavs on their behalf. Kyiv/Kiev, meanwhile, was founded and ruled by Vikings, grouped in with the various Varangians as far as the Byzantines were concerned. The legendary Rurik invited to rule Novgorod (not Moscow) was one such Varangian, and Varangians were so definitionally Nordic that Harald Hardrada, King of Norway and of 1066 fame, was once part of the imperial Varangian Guard.

youtu.be/H8PtB4OL16U

"Don't EVEN think about it!" - Putin issues Poland a stern warning over Ukraine

Oh he told us! I'm shaking...what about some nice birbe to sweeden a deal - like Królewiec? No?
He says no, he doesn't mean it!

You seem more upset than usual. I know, history lessons might be stressful. So many names and concepts to remember...

Relax, Bobko. Open your mind and let knowledge in!


As usually, you fail. Stefan Batory was elected democratically, and has made one of greatest kings of Poland. Polish system of government allowed for division of power, political participation and rule of law on a level unmatched by any other system in our region.

And certainly never achieved by Russians......

Some RT reader is reading my mind...

Even with the ruble down, Russia is doing much better than many in the West, considering the circumstances. Russia is facing an expensive war and the toughest sanctions ever. But it has weathered the storm and diverted most of its trade elsewhere. Compare that to the US, with 35 Trillions in public debt, 20 Trillions in corporate debt and 19 trillions in consumer debt! It is living off print and spend. This is another characteristic of a failed state and it is very unsustainable!

Prosperity =/= printed and borrowed money. Prosperity comes from manufacturing aka factories and mining. We don't have factories and we hate mining. New econ model...

POLE AND RUSSIAN HIT ON PEACE PLAN FOR UKRAINE

southfront.org/pole-and-russian-hit-on-peace-plan-for-ukraine/

head of RT on foreign media in russia: "It will be effective until there is censorship. I've been talking about it for 10 years, until we close everything down and ban it and replace it with our own."

on the role of RT: "conducting information war against the whole Western world,"


What's this based on? Has either that reader (or you) checked the mood on the street in Tver or Chelyabinsk or Omsk? russia no longer even releases all sorts of economic information it used to.....

but if sanctions aren't working... no need to stop them

Putin issues a stern warning to Poland. From his bunker that he never leaves any more.

Say what you like about Poland's leaders, they do at least visit their voters and hang out with other people.

world yawns....

russians bravely attack a hotel in Zaporizhzhia where a children's camp was being held..... fortunately (though surely sadly for russians) the children were already picked up....

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