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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6


mafketis 35 | 11,551
24 May 2023 #391
Русские рубят русских

Technically, it should be "Русские рубят россиян".... an important distinction and I don't pay attention to anyone who doesn't understand it (because they have no idea what putain is about if they don't).
GefreiterKania 30 | 1,217
24 May 2023 #392
Technically, it should be "Русские рубят россиян"

Well, it's a title of a song, so I left it as it was...

youtu.be/LeYNc5zM3ZU
Bobko 20 | 1,046
24 May 2023 #393
Basically, Putin has lost control over a part of Russian territory.

Personally, I was very entertained. I'm not sure that the poor inhabitants of those border villages necessarily shared in my excitement, or if the Kremlin was very pleased - but I certainly was.

Here I am, sitting and waiting for a big Ukrainian counter-offensive. Then, Ukraine loses control of "impregnable fortress" Bakhmut but denies this fact for nearly a week. At the conclusion of this week they make a bold and daring raid into Russia proper. Complete with troll memes like:

1) MRAPs can be bought in any store
2) The Belgorod People's Republic demands independence
3) We must conduct a referendum to establish the people's will.

Don't get me wrong. It's very funny, and an artful way of poking at Russian hypocrisy. But one cannot escape the feeling that Ukrainian command is motivated first and foremost by headlines, rather than any military rational. Within 48 hrs most of their contingent of traitor Russians and UKR special forces were wasted. The move caused consternation in Washington, which simply reiterated "that they received assurance from the Ukrainians that American weapons will not be used in Russian territory".

Ukrainian trolling is getting better, but their strategic situation seems as bad as ever.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,059
24 May 2023 #394
The world is definitely entertained.....Belgorod even made it into Polandball:)

Russia pulls a Russia on Russia



reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/13qfb39/russia_pulls_a_russia_on_russia/
Bobko 20 | 1,046
24 May 2023 #395
Belgorod

I was very amused at how the Western press insisted on spelling Belgorod as Belhorod during these past few days of excitement.

Do we have to respect Ukrainians so much now, that we use their toponyms even for geographies outside their border?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,059
24 May 2023 #396
....sorry....I never heard of a "Belhorod".....
jon357 72 | 21,201
24 May 2023 #397
Belhorod? In the news a lot lately.

Important that it be fully liberated from r*SSian occupation.
Bobko 20 | 1,046
24 May 2023 #398
I never heard of a "Belhorod".....

Same here buddy. This city of almost half a million people suddenly sprouted up within Russia, like the volcano Surtsey, within a mere matter of days.
Novichok 4 | 7,139
24 May 2023 #399
And they're absolutely terrified.

Yes, head doctor. When did you talk to them?

r*SSia knows very well that there are known unknowns which will hit them very hard.

...because you told them? How do you know what Russia knows?

they are acutely aware how little the6 can actually do.

Visit Bakhmut and you will acutely know what Russia can do while the Western cowards do nothing. That includes you and whatever country happens to be yours today.
jon357 72 | 21,201
24 May 2023 #400
suddenly sprouted up within Russia

Belhorod?

Perhaps the Ukrainian Parliament should pass a law annexing it.

And of course Königsberg/Królewiec needs dealing with next.
Bobko 20 | 1,046
24 May 2023 #401
As I recall, it was Colin Powell who used the terms known unknown and unknown unknown

It was another "genius" - Donald Rumsfeld, that used these terms. Not Powell.

To use his categories. This is how things look for Russia:

1) Known-known: We know the Ukrainians have been armed to the teeth. We know they need to push to secure further Western backing. Therefore we dig defensive positions.

2) Known-Unknown: We know we don't know exactly where they will push. Therefore fortifications must be built along the entire front. We know morale is abysmal on the Ukrainian side, but there are also pockets of excellence. Which formations are ultimately the most capable, only contact with the enemy will show. This prevents us from correctly positioning our own units.

3) Uknown-Unknown : I'll let Jon and Maf write this one.
Crnogorac3 3 | 804
24 May 2023 #402
dailystormer.in/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/bce6f303-276d-4a22-ba0b-290c699dbbe6-1112x1536.jpeg
Novichok 4 | 7,139
24 May 2023 #403
Perhaps the Ukrainian Parliament should pass a law annexing it.

That's not how it works.

It's a three-step operation: Annex, pass the law, and give the Western world the middle finger.
mafketis 35 | 11,551
24 May 2023 #404
We know the Ukrainians have been armed to the teeth

for the more self-aware, this should be a clue that they don't think they are 'really' russians and that they don't want anything to do with the modern russian 'empire'.... for russians it means kill more Ukrainians until they love us (working out cause and effect are not russian strengths).
Novichok 4 | 7,139
24 May 2023 #405
kill more Ukrainians until they love us

No, kutasku, until they convince their DC puppet masters to sign a document and take other steps to convince Russia that Ukraine will never be NATO.

Plus a couple of other things...

Russians are people who self-identify as Russians. No surgery is required other than on those who would like to kill them. Let's call it a very late term abortion.
mafketis 35 | 11,551
24 May 2023 #406
kutasku

got kutasy in the brain, huh? figured as much....

ussians are people who self-identify as Russians

Actually there are two words with an important difference... since you don't know that I'm going to assume you don't know a lot of other things either....
mafketis 35 | 11,551
24 May 2023 #407
The Free Russia Legion had a press conference and released a statement in English.....

twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1661412119491878912
Novichok 4 | 7,139
24 May 2023 #408
Quoting from twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1661412119491878912

Free Russia Legion published a separate comment on the press conference, saying Russians did not show much resistance despite numerical superiority, and bombed their own citizens trying to hit the group. The Legion appears to have suffered more serious casualties than the Corps - two dead and ten wounded combined. This is in contrast with the Corps who are said to have lost two people wounded. It is still unclear whether the two groups were fighting in the same area, or separately.

BFD! That's one evening in Chicago with the cops watching.
jon357 72 | 21,201
24 May 2023 #409
We know we don't know exactly where they will push

Or when, or with what weapons, or with how many troops or on how many fronts.

All the orcs know is that it will be their worst nightmare.

@mafketis
Did you see the r*SSian response? A staged photo of two Humvees that they pretended were used in the liberation of Belhorod and destroyed. In fact, they were bought from a car dealership, deliberately damaged and winched on site with cranes. They still had perfect tread in the tyres and no tyre marks anywhere on the ground around the photo.

r*SSians lie as others breath and it is a sign of their desperation and fear that they're pulling such weak stunts.
AntV 5 | 631
24 May 2023 #410
page through the translator and I must say I'm baffled....what is the guy's problem????

Same here. I couldn't understand his problem, either-I chalked it up to the translator not doing a good job.

Maybe this war ends up being a blessing in disguise for those wishing for deeper European integration. It forces EU members to answer the question of the Germany-Russian relationship. That question always seemed to be a stumbling block for some EU members. Germany loosening its ties with Russia might loosen to brakes for deeper integration. Or, am I just an idiot?
Bobko 20 | 1,046
24 May 2023 #411
Germany loosening its ties with Russia might loosen to brakes for deeper integration

Germany cannot be an independent power without Russian support. Germany + Russia, on the other hand - is enough to put the European system on its head.

Russia is the Hulk, and Germany is Spider-Man ;)
GefreiterKania 30 | 1,217
24 May 2023 #412
Germany + Russia

Is a recipe for a disaster. Always has been. So, thank you, but no thank you. :)

Germany + Poland + Ukraine, on the other hand, sounds much better: bigger population than Russia, better economy, stronger conventional army and ability to quickly get atomic weapons (with German money, Ukrainian know-how, and Polish moral superiority we can produce nuclear weapons in no time).
Bobko 20 | 1,046
24 May 2023 #413
recipe for a disaster. Always has been

Hahahahahahahaha

Really?

Even when you decided to ally with the Hitler of the 19th century, Napoleon, and it took us, the Germans, and a gentleman named Welllington to put you back in your place?
AntV 5 | 631
24 May 2023 #414
Russia is the Hulk, and Germany is Spider-Man

Not sure the modern world is willing to put Germany and Russia into the League of Justice. 😀

Germany + Poland + Ukraine

+ Ukraine, GK?
GefreiterKania 30 | 1,217
24 May 2023 #415
Hitler of the 19th century, Napoleon

That's rather rude towards the Emperor. You should be ashamed of yourself.

+ Ukraine, GK?

Sure, why not? Otherwise Poland would have to be the front country, the antermurale, the bulwark etc. We've had this job for ages and it sucks. Ukraine's turn. :)
GefreiterKania 30 | 1,217
24 May 2023 #416
After Belgorod it's time for Moscow. Thanks to the invaluable Interia - the shining beacon of Polish online journalism - we know the plans...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-przeciwnicy-putina-ujawnili-plany-po-bielgorodzie-czas-na-mo,nId,6798339

... after Belgorod, offensive operations on Briansk, Kursk and Moscow are being planned, according to Anton Herashchenko, former Ukrainian vice-minister of the interior.
jon357 72 | 21,201
25 May 2023 #417
Interesting that Challenger 2 came first in the NATO Iron Spear main battle tank lethality shootout. A Leopard 2 came second and an Abrams third.

So many people online have tried to trash Challenger 2, and told us how marvellous Leopards and Abrams are, that you'd think Challenger would be the one to come third.

And very good that Ukraine now have some.
Crnogorac3 3 | 804
25 May 2023 #418
youtu.be/B0q7tiopkdw

Col. Macgregor: Ukraine Is FALLING APART As Putin Marches West

youtu.be/lGwS1YWnvTE

Douglas Macgregor: U.S. NATO Council to give the Russians a role in Europe
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,059
25 May 2023 #419
Interesting that Challenger 2 came first

Truly interesting because there are lotsa rankings where the Leopard 2 comes first...this is not the ESC...just saying....;)

military-today.com/tanks/top_10_main_battle_tanks.htm

But yes, it's great that Ukraine now gets some of the good stuff!
jon357 72 | 21,201
25 May 2023 #420
lotsa rankings

And this of course is this year's official NATO exercise. It's not the first time the Challenger II has won either, in very large part due to its unique armour.

it's great that Ukraine now gets some of the good stuff

Yes, helped by a coalition of the world's most developed democracies with huge combined experience in changing warfare contexts and enormous technical expertise. And I suspect that Ukraine understand this very well, much more than r*SSia could ever do with their Cold War era tanks, WWII rifles and absolutely inflexible chants of command where they are frightened to ignore their senior officers even when palpably wrongly break a written rule simply because it's written.

r*SSian kleptocracy in the military is at a crazy level too, with in some cases the material inside tank armour stolen for scrap and replaced with sand!


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