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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4


jon357 71 | 20,031
23 Nov 2022 #901
Kazakstan is the only one that might be above that level, and that is only recently.

And of course around 40% of their populations are r*SSians bussed in during the Soviet years to colonise it.

I liked Boris Johnson's interview today, however the French and Germans probably won't like it as much, especially the French who he says were "in denial" right until the actual invasion.

The only people who have right to decide about the fate of Ukraine are Ukrainians.

And this is what the appeasers and armchair vatniks hate.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,584
23 Nov 2022 #902
Now we want to try to go back to the original idea proposed here on PPF as to why Russia invaded and not the official reasons that change monthly? LMFAO More brilliance from the peanut gallery.

Now the EU is recognizing Russia as a terrorist state. And when this starts happening, China and India will get nervous. They dont want to be affiliated or associated with terrorists, or become subject to sanctions for supporting terrorists. Little Vlad is a terrorist and his country now has a label that few have ever recovered from without a complete change of who is in power.
Tacitus 2 | 1,625
23 Nov 2022 #903
especially the French who he says were "in denial" right until the actual invasion

Unless he has written evidence, I would not trust anything this scharlatan says. The man his built his career on lies and now likely lies to make himself look better in hindsight.
johnny reb 38 | 7,720
23 Nov 2022 #904
- he is a murderer and a rapist and a thief

Yes, yes he is.
Russian military commanders ordered soldiers to commit sexual violence in Ukraine, war crimes investigator says

businessinsider.com/russian-commanders-ordered-sexual-violence-in-ukraine-investigator-2022-11
mafketis 35 | 11,212
23 Nov 2022 #905
All Putin wanted is a neutral, NATO-free Ukraine

Tell me you know nothing about russia without telling me you nothing about russia....

russians themselves (good, bad, indifferent) barely ever bring up NATO. I've read conservatively speaking about 20 times more than you by both pro-putain and anti-putain russians and NATO doesn't meaningfully enter into the calculations of either side.

NATO is only important to non-russian armchair warlords or morons who are incapable of taking in new information...
jon357 71 | 20,031
23 Nov 2022 #906
I would not trust anything

I would, and he's called it right without exception in the matter of Ukraine. Right from the start, when others certainly did not.

likely lies to make himself look better

This is of course the statesman that Ukrainians are painting murals of and naming streets after.

What's Schroder up to these days?

Three (crewed) helicopters sent today according to the Secretary of State for Defence as well as the lethally effective Brimstone 2 missiles. May more follow.
OP Novichok 3 | 6,795
23 Nov 2022 #907
he said many times he wanted to annex territory.

...according to the wishes of the Russians in those territories. It's known as self-determination and democracy in its purest form. Du
Paulina 13 | 2,942
23 Nov 2022 #908
@Novichok, no, it's known as illegal, illegitimate, falsified, sham RuSSian "referendums".

You could see in the videos the true wishes of people of Kherson both during the RuSSian occupation and after the liberation of Ukrainian forces.

And their sentiment goes like this:

idinahuy
Paulina 13 | 2,942
23 Nov 2022 #909
Btw, my brother got a postcard with that stamp :))
jon357 71 | 20,031
23 Nov 2022 #910
a postcard with that stamp :))

Lovely. That is something to save for posterity.
OP Novichok 3 | 6,795
23 Nov 2022 #911
no, it's known as illegal, illegitimate, falsified, sham RuSSian "referendums".

That's for you to prove. The burden of proof is always on the accuser. That's how it was recently in the US. The accusers of "stolen elections" have failed and the results stayed. Period.

Go ahead...I have time.

Lovely.

...and so touchy.
Paulina 13 | 2,942
23 Nov 2022 #912
@Novichok, common sense is enough, but I don't have to prove anything, because those referendums were not only against the international law, and so they weren't recognised as legitimate BY ANY SOVEREIGN STATE BESIDES NORTH KOREA LOL, but they also weren't conducted in accordance with the RuSSian law. So - a total sham no matter how you look at it. Those are facts, not just my opinion.

Lovely. That is something to save for posterity.

I think so too :)))

The accusers of "stolen elections" have failed and the results stayed. Period.

RuSSia failed to make those referendums legitimate and the results trustworthy and so they were recognised by only one nutcase country in the world lol That means those results are worth less than the paper they were printed on. Period.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,529
23 Nov 2022 #913
I liked Boris Johnson's interview today, however the French and Germans probably won't like it as much

The French and Germans were approached by media for a response to what Boris said but refused to comment.

Says it all really!

Unless he has written evidence, I would not trust anything this scharlatan says

He has nothing to gain by making those comments.

But the reaction from the French and German governments speak volumes.
OP Novichok 3 | 6,795
23 Nov 2022 #914
That means those results are worth less than the paper they were printed on. Period.

The results: They are now Russian citizens and the territory is part of the Russian Federation. Deal with it, pray, scream, or volunteer to fight the "barbarians".

If you had proof that the votes were invalid you would post in red if you could. All you have is Western propaganda. Or did the West scumbags stop lying? If they did, I missed it.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,584
23 Nov 2022 #915
@Novichok
Again, what will you say when Russia is out of Ukraine? When Putin is dead? Or is this really just some exercise in arguing facts that no one else but you and the Putinazi's believe to be true. China and India don't even recognize these votes. No one other than the dumb fvck in NK who will be the death of his own country recognized this bull$hit. You really want to align yourself and your values to these idiots?

Personally I cannot wait for another Gaddafi scene with Putin being killed and his body drug through the streets. That will be justice, not only for Ukraine but for the Russian people who have suffered because this brainless idiot kept the entire country down.
Paulina 13 | 2,942
23 Nov 2022 #916
The results: They are now Russian citizens and the territory is part of the Russian Federation.

I see you're missing the point - I don't have to deal with it, pray, scream, or volunteer to fight, because noone besides North Korea recognises them as RuSSian citizens and that territory as part of the RuSSian Federation. Such results mean nothing if they're not recognised internationally. And better yet - Ukraine already reclaimed part of that territory.

All you have is Western propaganda.

It's not Western propaganda. THE WHOLE WORLD DIDN'T BUY THE RESULTS OF THOSE SHAM "REFERENDUMS", HAHAHA! LOL DEAL WITH IT! :D
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,584
23 Nov 2022 #917
@Paulina
You cant argue "sense" with a person who wants to argue talking points and "beliefs". It is like talking a schizophrenic into self-hospitalization, it's a waste of time.

400 million more on the way to Ukraine to kill more Orc's and millions more in generators being sent to help civilians who are victims of the criminal acts of Putin. The punishment for Putin.....the imagination runs wild. Death would be an easy out for this biatch.
OP Novichok 3 | 6,795
23 Nov 2022 #918
400 million more on the way to Ukraine to kill more Orc's

400 million of what?
BTW, why isn't the Polish army in Ukraine fighting the "barbarians"? With Poland in NATO, Poland would be immune. You know...with that Article 5 Russia wouldn't dare. A walk in the park.

Also, what a wonderful opportunity to get even for Katyn.

So what's up with that, my dear brave Poles...
Paulina 13 | 2,942
23 Nov 2022 #919
@PolAmKrakow, I know, but I enjoy kicking his ignorant vatnik ass from time to time :)))

They mean everything to the people who live there.When the war is over they will vote again if they like to be part of Russia.

You don't know what they mean to people who live there, because noone asked them. RuSSia printed the results Putin liked. That's all. And stop writing like you care about what people other than you want! lol We know very well that you don't care about those people.

And why wait for the end of the war? RuSSia didn't wait for the end of the war in order to make its sham "referendums". People of Kherson can vote again already :D

I will.

It means sh1t, sorry :D
OP Novichok 3 | 6,795
23 Nov 2022 #920
because no one asked them.

They were asked, they voted, and the results are in. If you want to prove that they voted against their convictions and will, prove it. Quoting Euronews:

In Kherson, the head of the voting committee put the "yes" vote at above 87%.

Luhansk authorities said 98.4% of people there had voted to join Russia. In Zaporizhzhia, a Russian-appointed official put the figure at 93.1%.

Denis Pushilin, head of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, said 99.2% of participants in the region had voted to join Russia.


And don't give any crap about the "world community". The world community didn't do anything in Rwanda or about China's civil rights violations. Instead, the world community, including Poland, happily shopped in China for the best deals on ... everything...made by slave labor and kids.

BTW, that 87% means what...That 13% were executed or sent to a gulag? FYI, in the US, the retention rate in Congress is 96% and close to the Soviet's 99%.
pawian 197 | 19,922
23 Nov 2022 #921
They were asked, they voted, and the results are in

An old Stalinist rule says that it doesn`t matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes. You should know it well coz you endorse in the forum quite a few Stalinist methods.

BTW, that 87% means

That Putinists who "counted" the votes deemed it appropriate to "set" the support at safe 87%. 100|% would have seemed unbelievable, while 56 too low. They decided on 87. Simple.
OP Novichok 3 | 6,795
23 Nov 2022 #922
Have problems with counting? Go to the Hague and prove it.
pawian 197 | 19,922
23 Nov 2022 #923
Go to the Hague and prove it.

Yes, when RuSSist criminals are there, they will also answer for rigged referenda.
OP Novichok 3 | 6,795
23 Nov 2022 #924
The Hague is the place. Go fo it...
Korvinus 1 | 436
23 Nov 2022 #925
they voted

Vatniks and their 99% referendum. Who the fu*ck would believe you?
Ruskies discredited the whole idea of referendum on self-determination. And because of Putin and his retarded "referendums" and annexations there is no end and diplomatic solution in sight, casualties of this war will exceed million probably.
pawian 197 | 19,922
23 Nov 2022 #926
The Hague is the place

Yes, darling, decent people are thinking of it all the time. Be patient.
Paulina 13 | 2,942
23 Nov 2022 #927
@Novichok, they weren't asked, they didn't vote and the results were invented. The fact that RuSSia printed some numbers on paper isn't any proof for anything lol

In Kherson, the head of the voting committee put the "yes" vote at above 87%.

During the RuSSian occupation of Kherson there were only 40% of inhabitants left in the city. 60% didn't get to vote. Majority of Kherson inhabitants weren't asked what they wanted. So, even if that result was true 87% (which I'm sure it wasn't), that alone would make that referendum invalid.

The world community didn't do anything in Rwanda or about China's civil rights violations.

We're not discussing whether the world can or will do anything about it. We're discussing whether the results of sham referendums conducted by RuSSia are believable or not, whether they're valid or not. Majority of the world, not only the West, considers them to be invalid and not believable. Only RuSSia and North Korea in the whole world recognise those results. Even countries who support or side with RuSSia didn't recognise the results of those referendums. To any intelligent and sane person this should be a sign that there was something seriously wrong with those referendums. But not to you - what a "SURPRISE" (not) :)))
Velund 1 | 540
23 Nov 2022 #928
they weren't asked, they didn't vote and the results were invented

Are you ready to PROVE this? If yes - do it. If no, STFU.
jon357 71 | 20,031
23 Nov 2022 #929
sham "referendums

Yes, completely made up.

No country recognises them at all. Even Iran.
Korvinus 1 | 436
23 Nov 2022 #930
not dependent on US embargoes

If you read absolutely fascinating descriptions in Marco Polo 'Le divisament dou monde' - Russia was completely free from Western decadence. And it was the case for centuries - until Peter I brought those damn Western influences into Russia - after being naively fascinated with the West after his travels to Europe during his youth.

I'm not sure if current separation was intentional - Lavrov still throws hissy fits after being denied entry into some countries. So it may be just a happy coincidence that Russia will find a way back to the paradise free of Western influences - so foolishly lost by Peter The Great.


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