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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3


Miloslaw 14 | 4,532
2 Aug 2022 #811
Australia is the biggest contributor to Ukraine military outside of NATO,

Maybe outside of NATO, but it is still small.....
USA, Poland and UK are by far the biggest allies of Ukraine.
Many small European countries have done much more then Australia.
mafketis 34 | 12,243
3 Aug 2022 #812
USA, Poland and UK are by far the biggest allies of Ukraine.

proportionately the Baltics are probably ahead of everyone else....

the general rule: The more direct experience with russia.... the stronger the support for Ukraine....
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
3 Aug 2022 #813
proportionately the Baltics are probably ahead of everyone else....

Like 90% help without Poland would be cut off from Ukrianie. So naturly Poland play the key role here.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,536
3 Aug 2022 #814
If not for Poland helping transport weapons and staging deliveries of all kinds of aid, Ukraine would not exist now. It is the weapons from US, UK, Germany and Poland that are making the difference in a big way. Baltic nations yes, they are helping as much as they can. We have all lived with the Russian shadow, the communist threats, the nuclear threats. This is exactly why so many are united, its time to end Russia as it exists.

In the mean time, the UN is warning that the nuclear power plant Russia is using as a shield is in trouble and we could be seeing another accident in Ukraine. This is bad, and we dont need another Chernobyl.
Crow 157 | 10,875
3 Aug 2022 #815
This is exactly why so many are united, its time to end Russia as it exists.

Just, you forgot to mention that such a unity existed even at at time of crusades, Napoleon, Hitler. In all those eras entire western Europe rode Poland like a donkey. They rode Poland, while they took the lands (and assimilated/germanized people) that naturally belonged to Poland in what is now Eastern Germany. Only because Popes said to Poland to forget it and join in crusade against Russia.

So please don`t be hysterical. You are one simple hater and small-minded individual.

Shame on you brate.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,536
3 Aug 2022 #816
@Crow
LOL you are funny. History is history. It has no impact on today and it should not.
mafketis 34 | 12,243
3 Aug 2022 #817
history. It has no impact

Galeev says roughly the same thing, not that has no impact but that past relations are interpreted in light of present relations more than the other way around....

Neither Lithuania or Ukraine have tremendously.... positive histories with Poland but for most normal people the current strong and much better relationships are more important and the negative parts are tempered by the current improved relations.

Similarly, Hungary is throwing away a lot of shared allied history by sucking up to russia and its past will also be re-interpreted in that light.

Those who think that current relations need to be shaped by things hundreds of years old are irrelevant and should be ignored (or ridiculed).
Novichok 3 | 7,602
3 Aug 2022 #818
This is getting too embarrassing...

Washington (CNN)The US Treasury Department on Tuesday sanctioned Russian President Vladimir Putin's reputed girlfriend as part of a series of measures targeting Russian elites in the Biden administration's latest attempt to punish the Kremlin for its ongoing war in Ukraine.

Sending these rockets to Ukraine...OK, I got it. Going after a woman just because Putin fu*cked her...I don't got it...I am slow this morning...
mafketis 34 | 12,243
3 Aug 2022 #819
fter a woman just because Putin fu*cked her...

She's the chairwoman of National Media Group " the largest private media holding in Russia"

All media in russia (at present) is aligned with the government, so she's a public figure and ripe for sanctions for that, and not for squeezing vova-spawn out of her crotch.

Try again.
cms neuf - | 2,072
3 Aug 2022 #820
All the money that she has, all her shares, all her palaces and tasteless jewels and cars, all her furniture was stolen from the few honest hard working people of Russia (there are some, though also plenty of underemployed losers with no self respect who earn a living at troll farms)

So of course she should be sanctioned
Novichok 3 | 7,602
3 Aug 2022 #821
She's the chairwoman of National Media Group " the largest private media holding in Russia"

Oh, I see...How many tanks did that "largest private media" group send to Ukraine?
Also, if a private person nods while watching the news in Moscow, is he or she subject to "sanctions"?
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
3 Aug 2022 #822
Neither Lithuania or Ukraine have tremendously.... positive histories with Poland

Their own fault for bulid a false narrative.

.I am slow this morning...

Not only this morning. So don't worry nothing wrong with you, you are yourself.
OP amiga500 3 | 1,420
3 Aug 2022 #823
Similarly, Hungary is throwing away a lot of shared allied history

oh yeah, they will regret for decades to come spitting in the the face of the Visegrad 4. But the the deeper history remains, after all they did rip up the rail tracks to stop hitler invading poland from hungary direction, but yeah history repeats, hungary was germany ally in ww2, and now they the ruski ally.
Novichok 3 | 7,602
3 Aug 2022 #824
hungary was germany ally in ww2, and now they the ruski ally.

Duly acknowledged. Therefore, what?
mafketis 34 | 12,243
3 Aug 2022 #825
How many tanks did that "largest private media" group send to Ukraine?

37 (or maybe 51)

if a private person nods while watching the news in Moscow, is he or she subject to "sanctions"?

you know it! so...... watch out!
mafketis 34 | 12,243
3 Aug 2022 #826
Meanwhile in russia....

a veteran of the special operation (drunk... can you blame him?) asks for help to get on a bus because he lost his legs and is in a wheelchair....

the driver is unimpressed "I was defending the homeland" he offers..... then the driver chases him away with a baseball bat and the passengers giggle....

twitter.com/buch10_04/status/1554791674886373377

What an awful culture! No wonder Ukrainians don't want anything to do with it......
Tacitus 2 | 1,833
3 Aug 2022 #827
all her shares, all her palaces and tasteless jewels and cars, all her furniture was stolen

Indeed. It is worth remembering that Putin "officiallly" earns around 100k€ per year. All the money for his palace, expenwive watches worth several times his official annual income, the assets of hia children... all stolen from his people.
Novichok 3 | 7,602
3 Aug 2022 #828
All the money for his palace,

Who do you know it's "his palace"? Have you seen the deed? Is the White House Biden's palace?

all stolen from his people.

Do you have the evidence of theft? How do you know those were not donations?
Please do not insult me with "donations are bribes". The entire American political system is based on bribes dressed up as campaign donations and speech fees.
mafketis 34 | 12,243
3 Aug 2022 #829
How do you know those were not donations?

Your loyalty to Vova is almost kind of touching... it's a bit like Charlie Brown going to kick that football this time for sure!
Novichok 3 | 7,602
3 Aug 2022 #830
Your loyalty to Vova is almost kind of touching...

Among civilized people, asking for evidence of a crime is a sign of civility. Mob justice by innuendo is not.
We also use the word "alleged" before trial and conviction; lazy low-IQ people don't.
BTW, since you decided to get personal, I really wish you would stop embarrassing yourself with the posts like the last one.
mafketis 34 | 12,243
3 Aug 2022 #831
my English being what it is...

You're right, your English is pretty crappу....

Meanwhile, remember the turbine? Russia.... convinced.... Scholz to go around sanctions in order to get it from Canada to Europe. And then russia said it didn't even want the dumb turbines and the paperwork is missing and they're probably broken...

So Scholz further humiliates himself by visiting the turbine... apparently (and stupidly) thinking he could shame the russians into accept it....

Now on russian state TV.... they're saying he's purposefully imitating Hitler.....

twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1554779436767215616

Again, my take is that the turbine itself won't make a difference. Without a steady supply of western replacement parts and probably the presence of western technicians... they can't really extract very much....

Meanwhile, he's a better more apt comparison with Gitler (as he's known in russia)

twitter.com/shtulu/status/1554780805263773699
Tacitus 2 | 1,833
4 Aug 2022 #832
thinking he could shame the russians into accept it

This was more about telling the domestic audience that Putin is lying. There are still quite a few Germans who blame the German government for the reduction of gas, or who want NSII to be used instead the "defect" NSI. The German government wants to make sure that if the heating goes off in Winter, its' voters are blaming Putin and not them.
cms neuf - | 2,072
4 Aug 2022 #833
Good news for our friends in Moscow (or ar least for their bosses, who will be able to get some nice presents for their mistresses)

The Pewex is coming back !

theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/03/russia-to-open-duty-free-shops-selling-western-imports-to-foreign-diplomats-foreign-currency-soviet-beryozka
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,536
4 Aug 2022 #834
@cms neuf
This is Fing hilarious! Putin wants to restore the glory of the USSR indeed. Black market has also just reopened for western good and a paid of Levi's will now likely go for about $500 USD. This really is the public admission that sanctions are killing the average Russian and that only elite's will have comfortable lives, just like it was during the good old USSR days. LMFAO
Alien 11 | 1,652
4 Aug 2022 #835
Oh super, Levi's 22 bucks, Lee 18 bucks, it was a beautiful time.
mafketis 34 | 12,243
4 Aug 2022 #836
The Pewex is coming back

Actually it's my understanding that Pewex was very different from Beriozka and similar ventures.

You needed special permission to get inside the door for Beririozka and the others as far as I know*, regular locals were not allowed even if they did have hard currency.

Pewex actually had far more local customers than foreigners due to the socialist economic magic of "Internal export" so that Pewex was the only way lots of Polish people could get certain Polish products... and the communist government was glad to get its paws on the hard currency that locals might have gotten...

*in 1984 in Budapest I tried to go inside the local equivalent and even showing a US passport wasn't enough, there was some other paper permission slip needed....
Korvinus 1 | 648
4 Aug 2022 #837
. The entire American political system

Every country that left the Russian sphere of influence greatly benefitted as a result. It's not surprising these countries decided to join NATO in order to secure their gains and make sure Russians never return.

Being 'friendly with Russia' already condemns a country to being a dictatorship like Belarus or a corrupt oligarchic sh*ithole like pre-Rose Revolution Georgia, pre-Maidan Ukraine and numerous central Asian republics until today. No wonder lots of countries try to escape this fate, even risking Russian revenge.
OP amiga500 3 | 1,420
4 Aug 2022 #838
a veteran of the special operation (drunk... can you blame him?)

thanks, that got reposted on the aussie forum, it's not that infested with morons like this one, but one or two pseudo intellectuals that like to quote Mearsheimer and Chomsky and NATO was the expansionist evil all along etc. the mods are left so they allow it.
Novichok 3 | 7,602
4 Aug 2022 #839
Every country that left the Russian sphere of influence greatly benefitted as a result

That proves that the Soviets were smart by exploiting the countries they seized. The US, on the other hand, is dumb since it does not benefit from its aggressiveness. The countries where the US put its food down benefit from the US presence while the US taxpayers are - what's the word for it...- oh, yeah, fu*cked.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,986
4 Aug 2022 #840
"Germany is the ultimate evil"

merkur.de/politik/putin-krieg-russland-news-fernsehen-tv-wladimir-solowjow-scholz-deutschland-hitler-ukraine-91701375.html

...Moderator Solovyov called Chancellor Olaf Scholz ( SPD ) a "moth" - because of the German arms deliveries to Kiev . "It was not Putin who made the fatal mistake, but Gorbachev when he allowed the reunification of Germany - and Stalin when he decided that Germany could continue to exist," ....

...that's what we get for all our gas buying....🖕


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