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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades


Velund 1 | 1,041
22 Jun 2022 #14,431
most realistic scenario that you would consider to constitute a victory for Russia?

The two main objectives were announced at the beginning of the operation, and only their achievement can be considered a victory. At the same time, the form may be different.

As a result, there should be no breeding ground for the Bandera "strain" of Nazism in Europe (Canada will remain, but this is out of scope of current operation). This is not up for discussion at all. If there is even a square meter on which the Bandera infection can wait out and start spreading later, it is not a victory, but just another postponement, like in the late 1940s, through the fault of Khrushchev and his wife.

Besides, the situation requires détente with huge stockpiles of weapons and ammunition, accumulated by the USSR in the Western Military District in case of war with NATO and inherited by Ukraine during the collapse of the USSR. Ukrainians are hoarders, everybody who served in the Soviet Army knows that a Ukrainian petty officer is a blessing for the unit... He'll pick up anything ownerless that isn't nailed down as he walks past, and he'll always have plenty of things in his store that the unit isn't supposed to have. ;) Such huge stocks made many people's heads spin, their shelf life was not infinite, and they were not allowed to sell them on the side. It seemed to somebody in the West decided, that instead of allotting money for disposal one could try to turn all this splendor against the one who had mostly paid for it in the past. The second task of the operation is to eliminate these excesses, dangerous for the unstable Ukrainian consciousness. At the same time, it is desirable to make the overly inventive geopolitical "engineers" in the West bitterly regret about their "bright ideas".

It is too early to say how all this will be achieved. Now the most combat-ready and propaganda-motivated Ukrainian cadre units are being ground up (the captured Ukrainians believe that Belgorod and Rostov were taken by the Ukrainian army and that only in their area they got some particularly stubborn Russians and some Chechens in addition). Once the fortified areas created over eight years have been destroyed, it will be clear what to do next. But, IMHO, until the Russian troops meet with the Polish, the tasks cannot be considered even tentatively solved.
Novichok 3 | 7,107
23 Jun 2022 #14,432
Here is my short version of your brilliant post, Velund:

The USSR made a huge investment in Ukraine. Like hell will Russia let it fall into the hands of the hostile globalist scum dressed up as the EU or NATO. Wiping Ukraine clean of Nazis before they can run into the loving arms of forgetful Poles will be just a nice side effect.

Memo to PF Russia haters: Never use "Ukraine", "independent", and "democracy" in the same sentence ever again.
johnny reb 33 | 7,332
23 Jun 2022 #14,433
So, here is my polite request: cut that "nuke 'em sh*it out, a-holes.

No sht, the big tuff talk of, "WE will turn them into glass" b.s.
Firstly, who is WE and secondly they will turn us into glass in return if it comes to that point.
The We'ers should have the taste slapped out of their mouths every time they say, "We will turn them into glass."
How high school............and none of the WE'ers have ever served a day in the military in their pampered life to even begin to talk like that.

WE will, We should, We are, We We We !
Novichok 3 | 7,107
23 Jun 2022 #14,434
How high school...

All we have to remember is how a little virus with a 99% survival rate brought us to the brink. And those empty shelves...

Now imagine, four Russian 50-megaton nukes over NY, Chicago, LA, and DC.

That last one was a bad example. It would actually be welcome by many...
johnny reb 33 | 7,332
23 Jun 2022 #14,435
Now imagine, four Russian 50-megaton nukes

Putin threatens to deploy Satan II nuclear missile which can reach UK in three minutes and Poland in two minutes.
That would give you just about enough time to slowly bend over and kiss your dying ass goodbye if you lived in London, Warsaw or Krakow.
Novichok 3 | 7,107
23 Jun 2022 #14,436
So, according to the best of PF brains, Putin is an unpredictable schizo that values his dog more than human life. Another "Putler"...
If I said that, my next sentence would be, does he have nukes, and did he ever mumble something about using them. But that's just me, the forum neanderthal.

But it was not me. It was the PF military geniuses, just peeing from happiness at the idea of driving that madman into a corner and seeing him cringe because some sh*ithole decided to stop his trains from delivering what he bought at Home Depot to another Russian piece of real estate.
mafketis 34 | 11,904
23 Jun 2022 #14,437
Never use "Ukraine", "independent", and "democracy" in the same sentence

Independent Ukraine was a better democracy than Russia ever was.

Democratic Ukraine needs to defeat the genocidal Russian kleptocracy so it can truly be indpendent.

Ukraine, democracy and independent good, Russia, kleptocracy and vassal status are bad....
Novichok 3 | 7,107
23 Jun 2022 #14,438
Quoting:

U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, noted last week that public assessments of as many as 100 killed-in-action every day...

"This is an existential threat. They're fighting for the very life of their country," the veteran commander of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan said. "So, your ability to endure suffering, to endure casualties is directly proportional to the object to be attained."

No, you lying moron. They are fighting because they were told to fight or else. Others fight for Z-P=0. Or are you talking about Afghanistan?

Check Crimea before you spout bs. There must be a real war going on there "for the very life of their country". Those oppressed Crimeans...
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,238
23 Jun 2022 #14,439
Reading all the catch up posts gets more funny by the day. Novi it was so pleasant while you were gone, no self inflicted euthanasia yet? Pity.

The idea that Russia invested in Ukraine is hilarious. The investment of Chernobyl sure paid off didn't it. None of you have been to Ukraine. Anything Russian was falling apart. the only things worth anything were things built by Ukraine. All you can do is talk out of your @$$ about reasons to justify the war, and there are none.

Nuclear talk is just talk. MAD is real, and it doesn't matter who gets blown up first. As for more fighting on new territories? I doubt it, more Americans arriving in Poland this week to head to the Lithuanian and Belarus borders as "observers". Yes, thousands of "observers" will be ready to observe any stupid actions Russia may take. Russia is a joke of a country, and anyone supporting them is a joke as well. Your intelligence is not even challenging in a discussion. Happy gulag biatches!
mafketis 34 | 11,904
23 Jun 2022 #14,440
Investment?

Russia, nation of thieves with no honor, have dismantled and stolen a solar power plant....

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1539749490017460224

Putin's dream of being as important as the US president (whoever is in office at the moment) lies in tatters....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1539739123090587649

Russia's dream of being as important as the US reverts to seething envy and hatred...
GefreiterKania 11 | 1,477
23 Jun 2022 #14,441
After this Russia`s operation and short after there will be no NATO and no EU.

Dobri brate, please send me some of that sljivovica that you're drinking. :)

The two main objectives were announced at the beginning of the operation

Wow! Denazification and demilitarisation? You are still sticking to this scenario? Hardcore, dude.
Crnogorac3 2 | 1,376
23 Jun 2022 #14,442
Russia, nation of thieves with no honor, have dismantled and stolen

Theft of Iraqi gold 2003

iraq

Looting of Iraq's cultural treasure

2

The pot calling the kettle black?

The Russians are like small babies compared to you.
jon357 71 | 20,468
23 Jun 2022 #14,443
have dismantled and stolen a solar power plant....

They take anything that moves.

And are currently trying to carry out a scorched earth policy in Donbas

It will cost them dearly later
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,238
23 Jun 2022 #14,444
@Crnogorac3
You mean the gold that was found being taken from Iraqi thieves? The gold that was given back to Iraq by the US when it was found being transported by Iraqi government officials who were robbing the treasury? That gold? aljazeera.com/news/2003/5/27/iraq-money-and-gold-retrieved

You are a Fing moron trying to post your stupid BS. Go to the school of Novichok did you?
Tacitus 2 | 1,772
23 Jun 2022 #14,445
Russians are just following the proud tradition of looting anything that can be moved.

After WWII, the American monument men took looted art by the Nazis and gave it back to their owners. The Soviets just took it for themselves.

One amusing anecdote is that when the Soviets conquered East Prussia, they took all the tubes from within the walls and the sophisticated irrigation systems. They were then surprised that the crop yields dropped significantly afterwards.

I am willing to bet they they will be unable to rebuild the solar plant in Russia.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,238
23 Jun 2022 #14,446
Amazing how MLRS are now arriving in Ukraine isn't it? Just when my US soldiers in Krakow said they would. Combined with all the good stuff from Australia arriving this weekend, its going to get a lot harder on the Orc's in Severodonetsk this weekend. Some suicide drones from Australia and some missiles raining down on them should be the start of a push back. Happy gulag biatches!
AntV 5 | 746
23 Jun 2022 #14,447
They are fighting because they were told to fight or else.

Then how do you explain the tens of thousands of Uke expats who returned to Uke to fight the Russian invaders?
Novichok 3 | 7,107
23 Jun 2022 #14,449
Then how do you explain the tens of thousands of Uke expats who returned to Uke to fight the Russian invaders?

They fight because they are idiots who bought into this bullsh*it:

They're fighting for the very life of their country," the veteran commander of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan said.

...and ignored my Z-P=0. Evidence: Crimea. It's still there and doing fine. In the past, Poland was under Soviet "occupation" and what? No mass executions, no lapanki, free med care, free education, free apartments. Nobody even pressured us to belong to PZPR.
AntV 5 | 746
23 Jun 2022 #14,450
It's still there and doing fine.

Well, "doing fine" is a relative term. I'm sure there are plenty of Ukes who would think that a Russian controlled Kiev is a Kiev not doing fine. Kind of like plenty of Chicagoans thinking a Neo-Marxist controlled Chicago isn't doing fine. The only difference is the neo-Marxist didn't invade Chicago by military force. Wanting to repel a military invasion isn't moronic or stupid, it's a rational response.

No mass executions, no lapanki, free med care, free education, free apartments. Nobody even pressured us to belong to PZPR.

Seems like an easy life. Why did you leave?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,890
23 Jun 2022 #14,451
BREAKING: FIRST TIME IN HISTORY EUROPEANS PLEASED TO HEAR THE WORDS "GERMANY" "PANZER" "ARTILLERY" and "ARRIVED" IN SAME SENTENCE

Heh:) Thank you Putin? 😅

twitter.com/ericgarland/status/1539427584504643584

BREAKING: Ukraine confirms that Germany's Panzerhaubitze 2000 artillery systems have arrived

twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1539409914644336643
Novichok 3 | 7,107
23 Jun 2022 #14,452
Well, "doing fine" is a relative term.

...that should be evaluated (Z-P) to check if the difference is worth dying for.

Wanting to repel a military invasion isn't moronic or stupid, it's a rational response.

It depends on what the invaders' plans are when they win.
So, one more time...What is Z-P?

Why did you leave?

For the difference USA-POL. That difference was not sufficient to start shooting the Soviets and being shot dead.
GefreiterKania 11 | 1,477
23 Jun 2022 #14,453
@BB

:) Great news - Ukrainian artillery forces are in dire need of reinforcements. American MLRS also arrived and more are on the way. Time is working against the aggressors.
AntV 5 | 746
23 Jun 2022 #14,454
The problem with your equation is that the value of each variable is unknown. The only known value is x, which equals a foreign country enters into your (Uke) country using destructive force. Z-P is theoretical, therefore entirely moot and irrelevant in the face of the known and actual X.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,238
23 Jun 2022 #14,455
They fight because they are idiots who bought into this bullsh*it:

And what is the difference between my statement and yours? So sorry your little feelings get hurt. Maybe a nice cold ensure will help.

@Bratwurst Boy
Add in the MRLS and Australian equipment and it looks like things are about to get very interesting on the front. I hope everyone in Crimea has their sand bags full, and that the Russian navy has life boats ready. After the counter attacks on Snake Island it sure isn't looking good for those sailors. But remember Z-P = dead Russians so thats the equation to follow.
Bobko 11 | 1,007
23 Jun 2022 #14,456
One amusing anecdote is that when the Soviets conquered East Prussia, they took all the tubes from within the walls and the sophisticated irrigation systems

Very amusing indeed. Almost as amusing as when German einsatzgrupen burned entire villages in Russia and Ukraine as retribution for peasants hiding food from the occupiers. You would think the mighty German state could provide its soldiers with some bread. Makes Russians look like positive aristocrats for going after the plumbing.

Another amusing anecdote is how the Germans of the Sixth Army ate all their horses (and some of their comrades) and wrapped their bodies in insulation which they ripped out of every piece of equipment they could cannibalize. Masters of logistics those Germans.

I am willing to bet they they will be unable to rebuild the solar plant in Russia

Somehow we managed to construct photovoltaic panels in the 1980s that were able to operate in open space, and powered the Mir research station. To go up a level - Russia is also the world's largest builder of new nuclear power plants currently - while big names from the past like Westinghouse, Toshiba, Areva - have fallen by the wayside. I think fixing some Chinese panels in Ukraine should be easy enough. Doesn't mean I won't take your bet - if you like to give money away.

P.S. I seriously think you should change your name from Tacitus to something less pretentious after reading your opus about "Austrian Emperors" in the 800s AD.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,439
23 Jun 2022 #14,457
Somehow we managed to construct photovoltaic panels in the 1980s

It wasn't YOU. It was the Soviet Union a diffrent counrty and run on diffrent sets of rules.

About Soviet Union and Red Army, in the 40' when there were news or historical news in a cinema before a move, in Poland they showed Roosevelt and Stalin, when Stalin exstended his hand towards Roosevelt the public like one shouted - Davay chasy - give me your watch.

That how those 'liberators' are remembered.
Tacitus 2 | 1,772
23 Jun 2022 #14,458
"Austrian Emperors" in the 800s AD

I wrote 800 years before the Russian claim was taken seriously, which is true. The Holy Roman Empire was founded in the 10th century. The Russian claim was only accepted in the 18th century. Russia was always seen as a backwater. Even its' rulers agreed, starting with Peter the Great, who tried to civilize them.

Almost as amusing

We could always point to the less amusing anecdotes involving the Soviet soldiers. Mass rapes, murders, putting political prisoners into former KZs. Which come to think off, seems to be still be a regular pattern among Russian soldiers.

Somehow we managed to construct photovoltaic panels

Just a shame that almost nothing you build was competetive with Western technology. You can come back and boast about your technological sophistication once all your country has indoor plumbing.
mafketis 34 | 11,904
23 Jun 2022 #14,459
Somehow we managed to construct photovoltaic panels in the 1980s

Where are they now? Stop living in the past (especially the rotten CCCP) and try to make something presentable of your country now.

Step one: Stop invadinb peaceful neighbors

Step two: No more tsars

When you manage those then get back and your betters in the US will have some other helpful tips.
Bobko 11 | 1,007
23 Jun 2022 #14,460
We could always point to the less amusing anecdotes involving the Soviet soldiers. Mass rapes, murders, putting political prisoners into former KZs.

We learn from the best.

No one can beat the German record of rapes, murders, and killing political prisoners (or handicaps, gays, evangelicals, gypsies, jews etc).

One area where we still are unable to reach your heights - is the absolutely programmatic and scripted way you carry this out. Russian rape and murder is typically chaotic and resulting more from lack of discipline and control. German rape and murder is fine tuned like a naturally aspirated Porsche 4.0L flat six, and comes from the top.

Still, we have more in common than we do what sets us apart - must be why we make such good friends.


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