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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades


Korvinus 1 | 490
14 May 2022 #10,951
It is perfect, if polish military and politicians will think that russians are complete idiots and russian army is totally degraded

I guess that's why there are videos showing Russian conscripts being sent to the frontlines with mosins.

Clearly incredibly effective, tested and proven technology.
Bobko 11 | 520
14 May 2022 #10,952
@Korvinus

People with Mosins are LDNR militia forces. Specifically, those mobilized in the last wave.

Have you not seen Ukrainian territorial defense units being issued Maxim and DP-27 machine guns?





Korvinus 1 | 490
14 May 2022 #10,953
DP-27

It's not a terrible gun, particularly the more modern belt fed version.

youtu.be/-aFd53MazjU

The ammo for it is widely available too(it's used in PK machine guns and Dragunovs).

Now, issuing infantry mosin nagants otoh...
Crnogorac3 2 | 1,186
14 May 2022 #10,954
CORPSE OF RAPED WOMAN FOUND AT UKRAINIAN CHECKPOINT IN DOLGENKOYE VILLAGE

After Russian servicemen entered one of the Ukrainian checkpoints, they found the corpse of a woman who had been raped and killed by Ukrainian soldiers.

This is not the first rape crime committed by the Ukrainian soldiers that was revealed after the Russian-led forces captured Ukrainian positions.

southfront.org/corpse-of-raped-woman-found-at-ukrainian-checkpoint-in-dolgenkoye-village/
Bobko 11 | 520
14 May 2022 #10,955
Now, issuing infantry mosin nagants

Essentially same gun as M1909 Springfield, and slightly less capable than M1 Garand. Both of of which continue in use to this day, albeit in heavily modded varieties. Can't provide same density of fire as an AK or M4, but is lethal out to greater ranges.

Afghans successfully used 19th century Enfields to take out NATO troops.
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,956
Also, BMP-1 that I can see there - it is almost completely out of service in RA

Yes, I thought the vehicles look rather dated. On the other hand, on a couple of destroyed Grad launchers we saw 30-year old tyres (with 'Made in USSR' written on them), so it's not like russia is using only top high-tech equipment there.

Anyway, here's another "geroy" bragging about murdering civilians...

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/opowiadal-zonie-jak-zabijal-cywilow-rosyjski-zolnierz-zidentyfikowany/9kpqgwc,79cfc278

... where do you find all those Bychkovs, Lapshakovs and Ivanovs? You are not that huge a nation - 140 million or something (fewer people than Bangladesh). The percentage of psychopaths in such small population is staggering (and some of their wives, judging by the phone-call recordings, are not much better).
jon357 69 | 19,408
14 May 2022 #10,957
LDNR militia forces

So russian conscripts then...

Anyway, here's another "geroy" bragging about murdering civilians

They do they do a lot of this. It's harder to hide in this connected age, and easily verified.

There are some very primitive and bloodthirsty people in that 'society' they've created. Sociopathy if not psychopathy seems to be glorified by them.

so it's not like russia is using only top high-tech equipment there

They're using a lot of old rubbish, one contributing factor to their humiliating losses.
Crnogorac3 2 | 1,186
14 May 2022 #10,958
RUSSIAN GIRL TROLLS NAZI PARADE IN VIENNA - THEN PRETENDS TO APOLOGIZE ONLY TO TROLL THEM MORE

bitchute.com/video/w4p5NlwYMlzF/

AMERICAN M777 HOWITZERS IN UKROP HANDS

bitchute.com/video/FlIAgiYgtigg/

UKROPS CAPTURED IN IZYUM

bitchute.com/video/OeunLgrF4nQY/

RUSSIAN FORCES CLEANSE A UKROP FOXHOLE - EVERYONE INSIDE BLOWN UP

bitchute.com/video/kBUcBa7ZJU0e/
Korvinus 1 | 490
14 May 2022 #10,959
Essentially same gun as M1909 Springfield

Exactly. On the modern warfield :-D It has been somewhat outdated at the start of WW2.

mosien
johnny reb 32 | 6,762
14 May 2022 #10,960
Things are starting to tighten throughout the world food chain.
The latest one is, India bans wheat exports amid soaring global prices.
Poland will be feeling the food shortages by the end of this summer along with the rest of the E.U.
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,961
Poland will be feeling the food shortages

Nope. Polish farming can feed 120 million people - 3 times our population. :) I feel sorry for the countries who already experience food shortages though; the rise in prices will indeed be difficult for them.
jon357 69 | 19,408
14 May 2022 #10,962
food shortages

The whole world was always going to have food shortages this year, even if this hadn't happened. It was long predicted. Poland will do fairly well in comparison with a lot of countries.

One important thing is that Ukraines ports are unblocked, or at the very least the grain currently in their silos is brought out overland (this is a massive task) in order to clear space for the next harvest.

A ban on trading food items as commodities on the various exchanges would be a help, as would nationalisation to prevent profiteering. That won't happen completely however there will have to be a degree of that as well as price fixing and centralised distribution depending on a given xountry's situation.

Russia, despite their grain, are actually in a very weak position. They can always east kasza and cabbage soup, just not those nice imports.
johnny reb 32 | 6,762
14 May 2022 #10,963
Nope. Polish farming can feed 120 million people

I hope you like pork, potatoes and apple pies.
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,964
I absolutely love it. As well as beef, poultry, eggs, cottage cheese, lovely Polish bread, milk, pears, cherries, strawberries and all kinds of vegetables. :) I suppose we might have to do without pineapples or watermelons for some time. :)

And of course Polish forests are full of game: wild boars, deer, hares, wild ducks, geese etc., there's plenty of fish too to add a bit of variety. Polish farming can produce everything we need to be healthy and well-fed, and it's by-and-large GMF free. Poland is very lucky in this respect.
jon357 69 | 19,408
14 May 2022 #10,965
pork, potatoes and apple pies

Doesn't everyone? Pork is the staple meat in Poland and is produced in huge amounts for export. Potatoes and apples too; Poland is a major exporter. The crises will not the developing world and the industrialised countries the most, albeit in very different ways.

Of course, if you'd ever been to Poland (or indeed Europe) you'd know how much variety there is in home produce and how much is available cheaply.

It's a strange thing to try doing on a forum about Poland to try to mock what you hope will be food shortages and hunger in Poland. One thing people should have learnt about Europeans from this orc invasion and from other wars is how resilient we are as a continent.
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,966
It's a strange thing to try doing on a forum about Poland to try to mock what you hope will be food shortages in Poland.

Lack of education. Poland has always been a farming powerhouse (and there are huge reserves in this respect still!).
OP pawian 187 | 17,485
14 May 2022 #10,967
I hope you like pork, potatoes and apple pies.

Yes, yes and yes.

Paw Patrol.

It is obvious you don`t know what you are talking about.
Compare these two maps: the first from March, the other one from today. See the difference? Where are RuSSists which threatened Kyiv? Gone. Where are RuSSists which sieged Kharkov? Gone. So, who is kicking whose ass?

BTW, Crngorac, why have you stopped showing us your famous maps??? hahahahaha





johnny reb 32 | 6,762
14 May 2022 #10,968
try to mock what you hope will be food shortages and hunger in Poland.

Why do you project such nonsense, joun ?
I always wish the best for Poland however with grain shortages things are going to get tuff.

how resilient we are as a continent.

Well I know that during WW2 that England didn't mind eating rats and the the French ate frogs. :-)

Lack of education.

Really, is that why I named the top three foods Poland produces ?
I have an idea, "Let's argue about trivial sht to diminish and take this thread totally Off-Topic." LOL
OP pawian 187 | 17,485
14 May 2022 #10,969
RUSSIAN FORCES CLEANSE

How about the other way round? What do you think of Ukrainians cleansing a whole RuSSists battalion during a failed river crossing? About 70 armoured pieces and 1000 thousand savages were eliminated.

RuSSist tanks were turned into sub tanks. Do RuSSists believe that is a better way to conquer Ukraine - with sumbarine tanks?? hahahahaha





GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,970
with grain shortages things are going to get tuff.

How? Poland produces over 12M tons of wheat alone, 4M tons of barley plus huge amounts of oat and rye: between 28 to 35 million tons altogether, depending on the harvest on a given year. Way more than we need (in 2020 we exported 9 million tons of grain). There are still reserves in production capacity (we produce less than we can - EU regulations) and, if need be, we can always ban exports, but I don't think it will come to that.

Seriously, Poland is one of few countries that don't have to worry about food shortages.
jon357 69 | 19,408
14 May 2022 #10,971
Where are RuSSists

gone to graveyards every one, when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn.

About 70 armoured pieces and 1000 thousand savages were eliminated

Ther was an article in the telegraph today about refrigerated trains full of orc meat that the Russians won't accept back across their borders because they do t want the scale of their losses known there. Several trains, each with hundreds of dead orcs on piled several high and growing each day.

I'm glad I don't live downwind of it.

eating rats and the the French ate frogs. :-)

Plenty of rabbit and chicken during the war and people still eat both although chicken is produced on a very large scale now, something that didn't happen in Europe until the 1970s. No rats though. Being surrounded by sea with an absence of u-boats is a plus nowadays and plenty of seafood to export to Poland in exchange for their pork products.

And the French do eat frogs, though not as much as Italians; most are farmed in China. One day, you'll post about something you know about. Evidently not yet.

So your trolling about hunger didn't work...
Velund 1 | 828
14 May 2022 #10,972
on a couple of destroyed Grad launchers we saw 30-year old tyres (with 'Made in USSR' written on them),

Don't forget, that Ukraine had huge army warehouses at moment of USSR breakup - including most of vehicles and ammo stockpiles moved from eastern Germany. It was happily declared ukrainian property. Later they start to beg some foreign help (financial) to safely dispose outdated bombs and artillery shells. ;) Old salt mines in eastern Ukraine was loaded by WWI-WWII era munitions from USSR strategic reserves to the top, of course. Militias visited that mines at the start of clashes and unloaded plenty of outdated firearms and ammo from there.

Russia also have a lot of mothballed older vehicles in storage facilities. I know that plenty of T-64B* with fresh engines there untouched for now, also some T-62 and even some T-55 that is cannibalized for spare parts sold for various cannibal regimes in Africa who still have some of them in service (as my friends told me). ;)

Polish farming can feed 120 million people - 3 times our population. :)

Yes, but with unrestricted access to necessary fertilizers and pesticides. I think even been put on a fertilizer diet, polish farmers will be able to feed polish population for a year or two without serious problems of soil depletion. Problem is that politicians will be unable to restrict mass exports of food to keep it for their own people.

Pork production require fodder, so at some point balance between bread and meat may be necessary to be found.

All stocks of food wheat were removed from Ukraine to the West before the conflict began, leaving only fodder wheat, from which bread is now baked (the quality corresponds to the flour class). Biden is very keen to export the remains of fodder wheat as well as the remains of last year's corn and sunflower seeds for all sorts of trifles misunderstood to be called states, which in the UN faithfully deliver votes on their agenda. He does not care much about what the Ukrainians will eat.
jon357 69 | 19,408
14 May 2022 #10,973
I know that plenty of T-64B* with fresh engines there untouched for now

Yet the stuff they're using, or trying to use is palpably shît, given how much has been towed away by Ukrainian farmers and how much has been abandoned at the side of the road by hapless orcs waiting to be incinerated.

All stocks of food wheat were removed from Ukraine to the West before the conflict began

No, they weren't. Don't lie. The government there have been discussing this very issue. They actually have too much greatness that needs to be exported before the next harvest.
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,974
Yes, but with unrestricted access to necessary fertilizers and pesticides.

Before WW2 Poland had 35 million population and was able to export huge amounts of produce. Back then very few people heard of tractors, most field work was done by horses and the fertilizers were natural if any :) We have a very similar population nowadays but a more varied production, modern farming techniques and equipment. Also, there is the phenomenon of ogródki działkowe - there's over one million of them - where people grow their own fruit and vegetables; it's like a national pastime. And most of them take pride in not using any artificial fertilizers.

Food supply is the one area where prophets of doom won't scare Poles. :)
OP pawian 187 | 17,485
14 May 2022 #10,975
He does not care much about what the Ukrainians will eat.

Stop lying and manipulating like a nasty troll. It is savage RuSSists who are stealing Ukrainian crops from the occupied regions. And they are even trying to export it.

Fekking thieves.

Funny they are further robbed by other RuSSists.



Velund 1 | 828
14 May 2022 #10,976
Yet the stuff they're using

T-64 line is now used only by militias, as it was taken from ukrainian forces and repaired. While generally good vehicles, their very compact and powerful "any fuel" opposite engines have only 250-motor-hours between replacement for factory resource restoration. Many of current ukrainian tanks have spent engine resource and de-facto turned to stationary cannon in a turret (provided some auxiliary 28 volt power source is there to feed turret systems). Militias regularily get new trophies, left by ukrainian army, perfectly operational, except unstartable engine.

most field work was done by horses and the fertilizers were natural

Unfortunately, horses replaces with tractors, that only fart but not sh*t at all... ;) So, experience from mid-war period is not so valuable. ;)
OP pawian 187 | 17,485
14 May 2022 #10,977
left by Ukrainian army,

Not as often as Ukrainians getting better stuff from RuSSists like T-80s. :):):) Plenty of photos on Twitter.

#Ukraine: The Ukrainian 10th Mountain Assault Brigade operating a captured Russian T-80BVM tank during training.



jon357 69 | 19,408
14 May 2022 #10,978
Many of current ukrainian tanks have spent engine resource

Yet they're beating you in them very nicely, orc. How many tanks have you lost? About 700 visually confirmed and unconfirmed estimates of over 800.

Stop lying and manipulating like a nasty troll. It is savage RuSSists who are stealing Ukrainian crops

Shamelessly so. Like a repeat of the Holodomor. It isn't working this time though.

Russians seem to be compulsive liars. Their propaganda is shameless and shameful. I wonder if they think anyone believes them..
Velund 1 | 828
14 May 2022 #10,979
The Ukrainian 10th Mountain Assault Brigade operating a captured Russian T-80BVM tank

So, modern russian tank was moved to Transcarpathia just to give it out for training? ;) While there is shortage of operational MBT in Donbass... ;)
jon357 69 | 19,408
14 May 2022 #10,980
So, modern russian tank was moved to Transcarpathia just to give it out for training

Who knows. The orcs are doing everything else badly.

Even their lying...


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