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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades


Miloslaw 13 | 4,071
13 May 2022 #10,891
The best that the ukrops can hope for is a stalement, another frozen conflict

So a stalemate is a loss for Russia.
They invaded Ukraine, got nothing but a stalemate and reinforced NATO.
And will soon suffer economically from the sanctions.
Plus thousands of dead Russian soldiers.
In my book, that is a huge loss for Russia.
Putin has to be losing it, because he is acting like a madman.
Not a man to admire.
Paulina 13 | 3,057
13 May 2022 #10,892
I've noticed foreigners reacting to a Polish song sang in Polish on YouTube, which, I guess, doesn't happen that often, so I've decided to check it out.

It's "Mamo, tyś płakała" ("Mom, you've been crying") by Sanah and Igor Herbut. The song is about the war in Ukraine and the whole profit from this song goes to a charity helping Ukrainian children affected by the war.

It's interesting that even foreign people on YouTube who didn't know what this song is about and were listening to it without subtitles could feel the pain in the singers' voices, especially in Igor's (who has Lemko roots, btw). I have to admitt that it's the first song in my life that made me want to rip someone's heart out with my bare hands (hearts of Russian soldiers, to be more precise):

youtu.be/gfqYpunru8I

In the description on YouTube there are lyrics in both Polish and Ukrainian and this is my translation of the song's lyrics into English:

"Mom, you've been crying"

Mom, you've been crying
Your eyes were wide open
Did anyone hurt you again?
They've dealt a blow
Men of steel
They look into your eyes
When you say "Enough!"

Tuck in, tuck in
My bright eyes
Are waiting for me to fall asleep
Call out, call out
To the heavens
We need a miracle

Take what you want
Whatever, whatever you want
Take everything
Take, take and go away
And this stress
All this stress
Take it for yourself
I've had enough of tears

Mom, you've been crying
Your eyes were wide open
Did anyone hurt you again?
They've dealt a blow
Men of steel
They look into your eyes
When you say "Enough!"

How will I protect you and which side
I should take today when there are hundreds of enemy eyes
My cry is not enough
Take me away, mom
Somewhere far away
Far away from here

I miss, I miss
The years
When they would give advice
Today, today
I want to scream from a distance
But the voice isn't working

Take what you want
Whatever, whatever you want
Take everything
Take, take and go away
And this stress
All this stress
Take it for yourself
I've had enough of tears

Mom, you've been crying
Your eyes were wide open
Did anyone hurt you again?
They've dealt a blow
Men of steel
They look into your eyes
When you say "Enough!"

How will I protect you and which side
I should take today when there are hundreds of enemy eyes
My cry is not enough
Take me away, mom
Somewhere far away
Far away from here
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,939
13 May 2022 #10,893
So a stalemate is a loss for Russia.

It's not a loss since afterall they still conquered far more territory than before this war. Before 2022 all they had was Crimea - that's essentially all they won in the 2014 conflict. Now they've solidified much of the south east - they consolidated Donetsk and Luhansk, no ukrop tanks are going there anytime soon, and captured Mariupol.

The Russians expected the ukrops to lay down like the Georgians did. They expected this to be over in a week or two - that's why the soldiers even bought their formal uniforms with them. They expected to be parading by now. However, once they realized that this isn't going to be an easy win they had to change strategy accordingly and regroup. They bought enough supplies for a few weeks, not a few months.

And will soon suffer economically from the sanctions.

Not really... the only "suffering" they had was in March when the war broke out and the west started sanctioning them. That's when the ruble plummeted. It's fully recovered since then.

Russia has been sanctioned since 2014. It's not a huge deal. Their trade surplus is at a record and the ruble has fully rebounded. The ruble is sitting higher today than through all of 2022. In fact, it's sitting higher today than the past 2 years.

They're going to find other countries to sell to like China, Iran, India, etc. China is thirsty for oil and gas and can easily replace the countries that won't import

In my book, that is a huge loss for Russia.

Well, it's not a win for Ukraine either. Unless you consider the win to be that they only lost part of their country and not the whole thing including the capitol. They were unable to reclaim Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, etc. after 2014 and in this campaign Russia has expanded the territory
jon357 69 | 19,408
13 May 2022 #10,894
So a stalemate is a loss for Russia

It's an absolute humiliation for them, and one that they'll have to deal with. Their media are already preparing them for news of the loss.

Their preferred (or claimed) option seems to be a long drawn out guerilla war in Donbas which they will lose. Putler's successor will of course change tack and withdraw with a pretence of dignity.

And will soon suffer economically from the sanctions.

Probably decades of isolation too and of course they're easy prey for China economically. They've really messed up this time.
Tacitus 2 | 1,709
13 May 2022 #10,895
Russia is currently using all its' future prospects up for this war. All the money that could have been used to bring its' infrastructure up to Western standards and diversify its' economy and instead went to the arm - gone. All the lucrative contracts it had with the West - gone or about to be cancelled in the next months and years. At best they will be replaced with worse conditions with China and other countries. Not that fossil fuel has much future anyway. So many of its' brightest people are fleeing the country and this trend will likely accelerate.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,652
13 May 2022 #10,896
Sanctions forcing Russia to use appliance parts in military gear, U.S. says

washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/05/11/russia-sanctions-effect-military/

With Western technology sales banned, Russia is using computer chips meant for household appliances in battlefield gear, Commerce secretary tells a Senate hearing

Now we know why they loot washing machines etc....

U.S.-led sanctions are forcing Russia to use computer chips from dishwashers and refrigerators in some military equipment, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said Wednesday.

"We have reports from Ukrainians that when they find Russian military equipment on the ground, it's filled with semiconductors that they took out of dishwashers and refrigerators," Raimondo told a Senate hearing, noting that she recently met with Ukraine's prime minister....

jon357 69 | 19,408
13 May 2022 #10,897
Russian military equipment on the ground, it's filled with semiconductors that they took out of dishwashers and refrigerators

Yes, there's a lovely picture a couple of pages ago showing a crashed helicopter with a washing machine in it. Moscow is running out of all sorts of things and hopefully it will get much worse for them.

China and other countries

A huge worry is that this will contribute to the rise of China.

Not that fossil fuel has much future anyway

The future is renewables and much more nuclear. Russia does have both however their hydro was all developed in the soviet era without much progress since and their nuclear safety record is poor. Plus they don't have the patents for the next generation STEP tokamak reactors and those who do are not well disposed to russia.

People on Twitter are saying that the shelling in the Belgorod region is being done by russia as a false flag and this tactic was discussed some time ago in leaked letters. Could this be propaganda? Maybe, however the source is a very good one.

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1525218801159090176
Velund 1 | 828
14 May 2022 #10,898
Plus they don't have the patents for the next generation STEP tokamak reactors and those who do are not well disposed to russia.

Read about current commercial Russian fast neutron breeder reactors (BN series) and experimental BREST-OD-300 reactor with on-site spent fuel reprocessing and new fuel production modules. This unit will be autonomous, will burn long-living transuranic elements that produced during its operation on-site (almost no long living nuclear waste, compared to regular fuel reprocessing), and even produce some extra fissible material for fuel rods of regular reactors. Feedstock for BREST is depleted uranium that is super-abundant now, and considered dangerous waste by some countries.

Russia have good experience with fast neutron reactors (so, with materials that will work well in high fast neutron flow, as in energy producing tokamaks), and tokamak actually was invented in Russia, so when time will come, thermonuclear reactors will be created. For now, closed fuel cycle fast neutron fission is in works, and close to pilot plant start.

crashed helicopter with a washing machine in it.

Can you find catalog photo of that "washing machine"? ;) With two small hatches on front panel, not so typical for this type of appliances. ;)

BTW: What do you think of the Bulgarian "screaming Ukrainian mother"? Opinions are divided here. The mainstream doesn't believe anyone would get erection to such a creature, so she doesn't look like a mother. Lovers of literature remembered Gollum and "his precious", lovers of cinema fold to "alien"... My first idea was about the "victim of the comprachicos".
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,899
russia openly threatening Poland...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-polska-w-kolejce-do-denazyfikacji-grozby-rosyjskiego-polityk,nId,6022813

...so, once again, the words of President Duda have to be repeated: "nie strasz, nie strasz, bo się...". :)
Joker 2 | 2,324
14 May 2022 #10,900
The EU package for Ukraine is only $500 million. Why so cheap???? Its your backyard. Americans dont want to pay for it!

Biden wants to give away $40 Billion of our tax dollars while you Euroclowns dont pay $hit.

The Europeans started 2 world wars already and we should not be funding their 3rd.

Thank you, Senator Paul:)

oann.com/sen-paul-blocks-40b-ukraine-aid-package/
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,901
@Joker

Probably someone smart in the USA has calculated that $40 billion is peanuts money compared to the cost of a world in which China (in tandem with Russia) is the only real world superpower, and that's exactly what the fall of Ukraine might mean. The world in which dollar is no longer an international exchange currency, oil transactions are controlled fully by OPEC + Russia, with no leverage tools on them, would cost the US infinitely more than 40 billion. Hence the mongols (both in russia and in China) have to be contained.

Luckily, some Americans, who aren't easily manipulated by primitive populists, can see the wider picture.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,652
14 May 2022 #10,902
bc we are all sick of it!

Na ja....

....As the conflict between Russia and Ukraine enters its third month, most Americans say they support actions taken by the Biden administration in response to the Russian invasion,such as placing strict economic sanctions on Russia, sending military equipment and weapons to Ukraine and stationing large numbers of U.S. military forces in NATO countries near Ukraine.....

pewresearch.org/politics/2022/05/10/americans-concerns-about-war-in-ukraine-wider-conflict-possible-u-s-russia-clash/

Majority of Americans are 'extremely' or 'very' concerned Russia may invade other countries

Majorities approve of strict economic sanctions against Russia, sending U.S. military equipment to Ukraine and deploying U.S. forces to NATO countries

cms neuf - | 1,889
14 May 2022 #10,903
500 million is only one installment from the EU. The EU itself doesn't have much money because taxpayers don't pay direct to the EU. All of us here who live in Poland pay our taxes to the Polish govt.

So you need to add up the contributions from each of the 26 countries and it is probably similar to the US 40 billion
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,002
14 May 2022 #10,904
Just catching up after heading to the Mountains for the weekend. The usual BS propaganda from the trolls. Interesting to note Russia cutting Finland off of their electricity supply today "over payments" certainly not over them deciding to join NATO. LMFAO Russian idiots. Once Finland adjusts, Russia loses a customer permanently. This is the Russian brain at work. Happy gulag biatches!
OP pawian 187 | 17,485
14 May 2022 #10,905
This is the Russian brain at work

Brainless orcs, indeed ......

Back on topic
Poland second in aiding Ukraine. A friend in need. :):)



GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,906
What?



The US, whose position as the only global superpower, the stability of dollar, the threat from China etc. etc., are at stake here, only giving twice as much as poor, backward and insignificant Poland? Anyway, if it wasn't for the US, then looking at this chart we might think that Poland is fighting a proxy war in Ukraine, with a little help from our NATO and European friends. ;)

Let's add to this the cost of providing free health service, education and child benefits to 3 million refugees and their children, and we would easily move to the first place. How on earth can we afford this? Kaczynski and Glapinski must have some secret treasure hidden somewhere. ;)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,652
14 May 2022 #10,907
Now that's an announcement!

Ukraine Intelligence Service Predicts End of War and Putin Coup

focus.de/politik/ausland/das-ukraine-update-am-13-mai-ukraine-nationalisiert-filialen-russischer-banken-verhandlungen-um-soldaten-in-azovstal-gehen-weiter_id_72885571.html

"The turning point will come in the second half of August." By the end of the year, Ukraine would regain control of all its territories, including the Crimean Peninsula. Budanov also expected major changes in the Kremlin. In his view, it was a coup against Russian President Vladimir Putin already underway, but he has not provided any evidence to support his claims.

Wow!
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,908
By the end of the year, Ukraine would regain control of all its territories, including the Crimean Peninsula.

Definitely. Russians are already withdrawing from Kharkiv area; it won't be long before the withdrawal in other areas starts.

but he has not provided any evidence to support his claims

Of course he hasn't. He can't blow the cover of people preparing the coup.

The reality of the past few weeks has shown a real picture of the combat capability of the Russian army

Is his name General Budanov or Captain Obvious? ;)
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,910
One has to admire Ukrainian ingenuity. They mount rocket launchers on various UTVs (including Polish made Polaris Ranger) to create tank destroyers...

Ukrainian TDs

... thanks to their speed and all-terrain mobility, those UTVs are deadly weapons on the Ukrainian front.
Crow 153 | 10,520
14 May 2022 #10,911
One has to admire Ukrainian ingenuity.

Of course. Ukraine has role to destroy as much as possible tanks produced in Europe. Destroy them this or the other way. Who survives will talk.
mafketis 34 | 11,562
14 May 2022 #10,912
world being Multi-Pola

No "Multi-polar" is Russian code for "regional dictatorships".... the world divided into competing mafia territories.

Life under dictatorship might suit Russians and Serbs but freedom loving peoples will reject this criminal view.
Crow 153 | 10,520
14 May 2022 #10,913
You serious? Serbia is leading European economy right now (what was not possible in Uni-Polar world) and we have nice balanced stance on Russia, China, USA and EU.

Believe me, one can work with Russia if one just wants fair business.
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,914
Even Lukashenska praises the Ukrainian Army...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-lukaszenka-chwali-ukrainskie-wojsko-opublikowano-nagranie,nId,6022844

... especially mobile groups who attack suddenly in small groups and inflict heavy losses on more numerous enemy.

Commentators explain that the sanctions are becoming more and more painful for Belorussian economy and Lukashenka might be preparing to switch sides.
Crow 153 | 10,520
14 May 2022 #10,915
Sides depending on rolls in theater.
Miloslaw 13 | 4,071
14 May 2022 #10,916
Before 2022 all they had was Crimea

they consolidated Donetsk and Luhansk

Crimea,Donetsk & Luhansk were all effectively under Russian control before the war, so they have gained very little at a huge cost in lives and military equipment.

That is a big loss in anyones eyes.

Russia has been sanctioned since 2014. It's not a huge deal.

But not to this degree.

Tell the oligarchs that it's not a big deal LOL!!!!

And are only starting to bite, the sanctions will hurt Russia big time as the months pass.

China and India won't cosy up to Russia because they know that if they do it will effect their trade with the west, because feelings are so strong here.

No, whichever way you look at it, Russia is f****d.
GefreiterKania 10 | 1,061
14 May 2022 #10,917
Another russian murderer in uniform was identified...

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/rosyjscy-zolnierze-poprosili-ukraincow-o-papierosy-tragiczny-final-wideo/7m41kr0,79cfc278

... his name is Dmitriy Lapshakov, he's 29 years old and was one of the soldiers who shot two Ukrainian civilians in their backs (the video was published by CNN on Thursday).

One benefit of social media is that every retard puts his photos and personal information online, which allows skillful IT specialists using facial recognition software to identify russian war criminals.
Crow 153 | 10,520
14 May 2022 #10,918
I just think what would some of you give if now somehow could be restored few German WW2 SS divisions and sent to Ukraine to help against Russia. Isn`t it?

General Zukov spoke well back in 1945 when he said /citation/: `Europe will never forget to us liberation from nazism.`
Paulina 13 | 3,057
14 May 2022 #10,919
his name is Dmitriy Lapshakov, he's 29 years old

Judging by his vk profile given on the "myrotvorets" site he lives in a city called Chita:

myrotvorets.center/criminal/lapshakov-dmitrij-s/

They even have his passport number there.

few German WW2 SS divisions and sent to Ukraine to help against Russia. Isn`t it?

I'll give you just one date, stupid a$$hole:

17 September 1939

Do you know what this date is all about?
Velund 1 | 828
14 May 2022 #10,920
who shot two Ukrainian civilians in their backs (the video was published by CNN on Thursday).

It's so lame fake that I don't even want to talk about it. Hours, if not days, passed between the first scene, where the soldiers are talking, and the second, where a vague silhouette with a machine gun shoots. The shadows are falling in a completely different direction, the sun has shifted dramatically.

But no one is interested in figuring it out. ;) Any propaganda crap is bought in bulk and eaten with big spoons. Like in Bucha.


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