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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades


pawian 195 | 19,915
19 Jan 2022 #1
If mad Putin decides to attack Ukraine, Poland must do its best to help Ukrainians defend their sovereignty. Russians might invade and occupy half of Ukraine but it is natural they are too weak to conquer the whole country, so its Western part which borders with Poland will remain a corridor through which US and West European supplies of defensive weapons can be transported for anti-Russian partisans in the occupied territories of Ukraine. Poland must do all to secure the safe and steady flow of that armanent.

Ukrainians might lose a few battles, cities or even regions against stronger Russians but they must not lose hope that they will win the war sooner or later. They need to show resilience and determination and give Russian invaders hell wherever and whenever possible. If Russians invade, they have to acquire a nasty dejavu of their Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in 20th century where the losses they suffered by relentless guerilla fighters made them eventually leave in disgrace.

Long live free independent Ukraine!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #2
Hopefully they get more from us this time than only a few embarrassing empty speeches for support...
mafketis 35 | 12,590
19 Jan 2022 #3
embarrassing empty speeches

Germany can't afford to really irritate Russia - part of Merkel's "legacy" - making Germany dependent on an expansive authoritarian kleptocracy... Great Work!
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #4
the losses they suffered by relentless guerilla fighters made them eventually leave in disgrace.

As they did in Crimea. Bad Ruskis...Still licking their wounds after that fiasco...

than only a few embarrassing empty speeches for support...

BB, you forgot "a very stern warning"...Yesterday I saw it. It went like this:

US Warns About Russia.

So I started trembling in my boots - actually, I only had white socks on me - and then I noticed that "about". Hmm...Finally, it clicked. The US was not warning Russia. The US was warning ABOUT Russia. Now, that must have some major impact on the future of humanity...

So let me add to it...Warning!!! Russians drink vodka every day and are mean when drunk!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #5
Germany can't afford to really irritate Russia

It's a co-dependency....Russia can't afford to not get paid for their energy either.....they don't have much else to sell. And don't forget that Russia delivered even during the heights of the Cold War....so it's a gamble on both sides!

BB, you forgot "a very stern warning"

Yeah....these famous "stern warnings"....how could I forget about those.....really scary!
mafketis 35 | 12,590
19 Jan 2022 #6
Still licking their wounds after that fiasco...

Essentially yes, Russia has turned Crimea into an ecological disaster zone. That's one reason they might invade now - Crimea is a big white elephant without a land bridge (one of the reasons it was tied to Ukraine administratively it was dependent on Ukrainian water) the Novorossiya project was meant to make Crimea viable.

Russia can't afford to not get paid

Is this true? AFAICT the Imperial Russian government has never cared much about what happens to the serfs and has never hesitated about inflicting hardship on them to achieve 'greater' goals (it depleted pension funds to carry out its Crimean 'triumph'). On the other hand, if the oligarchs have less income to steal then that could be inconvenient for Putin...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #7
Is this true?

Right now I guess that Putin is gambling on Germany staying the known old weak-minded pussy it has been under Schröder and Merkel....and then Ukraine is toast.

He might be in for a surprise though....there is that famous straw which breaks the camels back....
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #8
OK, guys...

Let's fast-forward and answer this simple question: With all the ex-Soviet republics now independent, how many should Russia allow without objection to (1) join NATO, (2) have US nukes, and if they so choose (3) join the 50 states as states No 51, 52, 53, ... OK, you get the drift.

That question requires numbers, not history lessons.

For extra credits, would Russian nukes be OK in Mexico, Cuba, Canada, and Venezuela? A simple yes/no will do.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #9
how many should Russia allow without objection

That's exactly the point!!!

Russia can't allow or forbid any independent nation ANYTHING!

If Ukraine or any other ex-Sovietrepublic decides to join EU or NATO there is ass f*uck Russia can do about it. (NATO and EU on the other hand neither)...

A simple yes/no will do.

Of course NO.....Russia has more to lose though, there is talk already to cut out Russia from SWIFT, they did it to Iran, it caused havoc to their economy...so I don't see russian nukes in the likes of Cuba or elsewhere anytime soon.
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #10
If the West can prevent that, the West should demand Russia turn their nukes over. DHL would be able to assist, I assume.
BTW, how did the Iranians dispose of their nuclear junk after all the threats and bribes?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #11
*shrugs*

I only know that they seemingly aren't regarded as much of a threat nowadays anymore....so....something or the other the West did to them must have worked...
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #12
there is talk already to cut out Russia from SWIFT,

They can talk all they want. NATO nukes around Russia are an existential threat to Russia. Nothing else matters. Nothing. A preview of that was Crimea. Russia didn't give a fu*ck about the "West" and how they will feel. After 2014, having Crimea back was strategically too important to pay attention to the grammar and the punctuation in the Western "leaders" speeches. And it worked.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #13
NATO nukes around Russia are an existential threat to Russia.

How so? What does it matter if the nukes are around them or a bit further away in....say....France, UK or US?

Sorry, I think that's a strawman argument and Putin just wants to rebuild the Sovietunion...he was a believer of that system back then and still is!
mafketis 35 | 12,590
19 Jan 2022 #14
Putin just wants to rebuild the Sovietunion...

That's what the base wants... and what the people living in Ukraine, Kazakhstan etc want is of no concern to Russians, historically.
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #15
What does it matter if the nukes are around them or a bit further away in....say....France, UK or US?

Somehow this logic does not apply to Germany, Poland, and South Korea. Why do we have thousands of US troops there? It's intimidation, trip-wire, or whatever but they are there for a reason. When I say "nukes", I mean force that can inflict serious pain without crossing the triple yellow line of MAD-ness.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #16
It's intimidation,

If it's meant as intimidation....who exactly should be intimidated....and why should someone feel intimidated by these troops?

And I somehow believe russian troops, once stationed in Ukraine, won't leave again if the ukrainian gov asks them to....but the US troops will should the german gov ask them to (I think)....
Vlad1234 18 | 1,202
19 Jan 2022 #17
What would be any reason to invade Ukraine? What next?! Join it to Russia? Ukraine doesn't have a lot of oil and gas or any other resourse which could be sold easily on the World market. What gain could Russia have from Ukraine? Putin undestands that no one will accept Ukraine in NATO or EU anytime soon...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #18
Join it to Russia?

What else....

Putin undestands that no one will accept Ukraine in NATO or EU anytime soon...

Every threatening move Putin now makes brings Ukraine closer to a membership in both.....

I sometimes wonder if Putin thinks that far! Till Crimea the West agreed to that status quo that Ukraine stays out of NATO and EU, that truce did hold for decades...that has all changed...Putin has only himself to blame!
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #19
Putin undestands that no one will accept Ukraine in NATO or EU anytime soon...

Because the risk of military conflict with Russia is high and the payback of having Ukraine is very low.
mafketis 35 | 12,590
19 Jan 2022 #20
the payback of having Ukraine

And who cares what Ukraine wants?

What gain could Russia have from Ukraine?

Feeling of empire! (very much alive among Russian nationalists from more intellectual to sovoks and vatniks....)

Recreation of the Soviet Union (which most Russians want whether the citizens of the countries concerned want that or not).

Not everything is economic...
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #21
Putin has only himself to blame!

No. Putin trusts these Western idiots as much as they trust him. And he has good reasons for it...Let's see, open borders, funding China, 2014, Iraq, Afghanistan,...
Vlad1234 18 | 1,202
19 Jan 2022 #22
Not everything is economic...

I think that Putin is more rational than that.
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #23
Feeling of empire!

And what is wrong with that? Name one anything - corporations included - that does not want to expand its size and power. Remember covid?

I think that Putin is more rational than that.

All one has to do is watch him on YouTube to recognize a brilliant mind. KGB debating courses must have been really good.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #24
I think that Putin is more rational than that.

He wouldn't be the first case of to much power for to long....he is getting old....maybe crazy...

He probably has surrounded himself by yes-men and lackeys only by now...nobody there anymore to stop him...lives in his fantasy world only...dreaming about the good 'ol times....
Novichok 2 | 7,722
19 Jan 2022 #25
That's a low hit, BB. You would have to crawl into the man's head to say that. How about judging him based on what he does for Russia as a Russian patriot. If you have any ideas how to be a better Russian patriot, I would love to know what those are.

I know that this concept has been filed right next to fascism - right along with protecting your (editorial) country from the flood of foreign scum or "gay rights" - both unpardonable sins against woke humanity.
Tacitus 2 | 1,947
19 Jan 2022 #26
How about judging him based on what he does for Russia as a Russian patriot.

Russian patriots should be especially disappointed about the path he has taken their country on... still utterly dependend on the export of ressources... a failing health care system, ageing society, all to keep an opressive system alive that drives its' brightest people to migrate... and strategically with few options but to become a junior partner to China which dreams of revising the Russo-Chinese border.
mafketis 35 | 12,590
19 Jan 2022 #27
what he does for Russia as a Russian patriot

Real Russian nationalists don't like him much because he's opened the borders with muslim-majority Central Asia (a very concerning percentage of schoolchildren in Moscow now enter school not speaking Russian...) he's a globalist, just a different kind of globalist....

And what is wrong with that?

By definition an empire means ruling areas that don't want to be ruled by the empire (the main reason they all collapse....) The Soviet Union no longer exists for very good reason....
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,205
19 Jan 2022 #28
You would have to crawl into the man's head to say that.

I'm just looking for explanations as everybody else....

And threatening/invading another independent country is now patriotism?

When Ukrainians try to defend their country from invading Russians....how would you call that then?
Vlad1234 18 | 1,202
19 Jan 2022 #29
he's a globalist

Possibly he is just doing what the World government tells him.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,723
19 Jan 2022 #30
From what I have read, Russian people have little interest in invading Ukraine.
I thought this invasion was inevitable until today.
Now, I am not so sure, I think Putin has chickened out.

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