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Adam Michnik awarded for integrity, professionalism and high standards. Poland's No. 1 fascist?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 Dec 2015 #31
highly respected.

...by a minortiy of like-minded, similarly deluded and/or co-ethnicists.
jon357 67 | 16,830
3 Dec 2015 #32
As one of Poland's best known former dissidents and celebrated journalists, he's very widely respected indeed.

co-ethnicists.

Aside from "co-ethnicists" not being a word, do you mean this group:

Jews..they are... bastards.

?
Ironside 50 | 11,260
3 Dec 2015 #33
As one of Poland's best known former dissidents and celebrated journalists, he's very widely respected indeed.

You insists on something that is not true. He is not widely respected not by a long stretch..
jon357 67 | 16,830
3 Dec 2015 #34
So you keep saying, from abroad (and from a rather odd perspective). He's actually very well thought of and people admire his stance, particularly going to jail for his beliefs back in the totalitarian years.
milky 13 | 1,657
3 Dec 2015 #35
Aside from "co-ethnicists" not being a word, do you mean this group:

I'm sure he means everyone who doesn't find Father Ted funny.
Ironside 50 | 11,260
3 Dec 2015 #36
So you keep saying

As you keep repeating your opinion, he might be well respected in your circles. Few years back he wasn't liked but yes he respected by many but it is no longer true, simple. Right now he is being simply ignored and few people care about him and his views.

He's actually very well thought of and people admire his stance, particularly going to jail for his beliefs back in the totalitarian years.

Come on you are talking about his fun club. They simply belong to a very narrow and small minority.
Many people hate his guts or despise him for his hypocrisy and double standards and for his notorious meddling into politicks by slandering and labeling people he happens to disagree with.

As for his jail time, same can be said about Macierwicz and many others, he is not some exception or a lone hero. Although he plays this card to the hilt, to the point nobody's give a damn about his so distant past. They would rather remember his defense of Jaruzelski, Kiszczak and his brother traitor and totalitarian court lackey who partook in murdering Polish heroes after 1945.

Majority don't care as to what he has to say or about him and his overplayed past.
jon357 67 | 16,830
3 Dec 2015 #37
Well respected by normal moderate people. Unlike the extremist Macierewicz that you mention - someone roundly disliked.
Ironside 50 | 11,260
3 Dec 2015 #38
Well respected by normal moderate people

Nope, respected by progressives, neo-Marxists and his cronies from democratic union. I wouldn't call them moderate after all their are revolutionary at heart, neither they are reasonable with they ideology defying sense and logic.

Unlike the extremist Macierewicz that you mention - someone roundly disliked.

True he got a bad rep. which he doesn't deserve to be honest. He is a hardly an extremist, he is simply consisted and focused as all those hardy long term oppositionist and dissidents stating up to the man, Soviet secret police and totalitarian state.

He doesn't make a good impression on TV or the radio but personally he is a very composed, intense, warm and intelligent person - no sign of implied obsessions, extremist - hardly.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
3 Dec 2015 #39
but personally he is a very composed, intense, warm and intelligent person

Which means that he's essentially a political opportunist, just like Kaczyński. I've never believed that either of them actually believed the stuff they come out with.

I wouldn't call them moderate after all their are revolutionary at heart, neither they are reasonable with they ideology defying sense and logic.

I think anyone who doesn't live in the world of PiS or the far-right can respect Michnik for what he's done.

Let's be honest : had Michnik been a pro-PiS journalist, you would never say a bad word about him.
jon357 67 | 16,830
3 Dec 2015 #40
He doesn't make a good impression on TV or the radio

Raving mad would barely serve to describe it.
Ironside 50 | 11,260
3 Dec 2015 #41
Let's be honest : had Michnik been a pro-PiS journalist, you would never say a bad word about him.

I don't care what party he is supporting and for that matter majority of Poles agree with me on that.
What's more I have given my unbiased assessment of his standing in the eyes of Poles.

Raving mad would barely serve to describe it.

You sure are entitled to your opinion. I would say that speaking in public is not his forte.
jon357 67 | 16,830
3 Dec 2015 #42
Let's be honest : had Michnik been a pro-PiS journalist, you would never say a bad word about him.

Absolutely spot on.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 Dec 2015 #43
respected by normal moderate people.

Michnik and Balcerowicz are among the most despised and detested people in the eyes of ordinary Poles, and it's they -- not oligarchs or snooty elitists -- that count.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
3 Dec 2015 #44
What's more I have given my unbiased assessment of his standing in the eyes of Poles.

Unbiased? When have you been ever objective about Michnik and other "enemies"?
Ironside 50 | 11,260
4 Dec 2015 #45
Sweet pie, I have provided readers with unbiased assessment of Michink standing in Poland. You might don't like it or disagree with my assessment but your childlike attempt to discredit me doesn't give you any credit. Need I remained you that when it comes to gauge prevalent political mood in Poland you have been always wrong.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
4 Dec 2015 #46
unbiased assessment

No, you really haven't. Given that Michnik is well liked and respected by a considerable section of society, you've just provided an assessment straight from fronda.pl. The right wing is obsessed with him beyond all belief, and you're just parroting their views.
Ironside 50 | 11,260
4 Dec 2015 #47
Given that Michnik is well liked and respected by a considerable section of society

That considerable section are just a tiny minority as I have said.

you've just provided an assessment straight from fronda.pl.

Bah, not at all , you just need to read my post without your usual bias against me.

The right wing is obsessed with him beyond all belief, a

Hmm don't like him for a reason but he is no longer somebody to be reckoned with, he lost all his standing in society.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
4 Dec 2015 #48
That considerable section are just a tiny minority as I have said.

Not really. Most normal, rational people that aren't blinded by hate can respect Michnik for what he's done, hence why he tends to get awarded by credible institutions.

Bah, not at all , you just need to read my post without your usual bias against me.

Your post is just the same old regurgitated nonsense from fronda.pl and other places. If you said that he was a deeply divisive figure and that some sections of society absolutely hate him - it would be true. But claiming that the "majority of Poles hate him" isn't true in the slightest.

Hmm don't like him for a reason but he is no longer somebody to be reckoned with, he lost all his standing in society.

Could agree with that. There's a new generation coming through.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Dec 2015 #49
for what he's done

What he's done is hijack Solidarity's newspaper and turn it into a KOR-ite rag amd private geszeft of his cronies, promote his own kind, revile patriots as traitors and hail traitors as "men of honour", conduct a Pole-bashing editorial line and promote anarcho-libertinism to mention but a few of his "achievements". And he has never publilcy disassociated himself from his family of communuist criminals. Apparently they were all of the "correct" ethnicity and that automatically lets them off the hook. He ranks with Balcerowicz amongst Poland's most detested characters. BTW, R U 1 2?
InPolska 11 | 1,821
4 Dec 2015 #50
@Pol: I don't know the guy but I am well aware that his newspaper is by very far the most read paper in Poland. Of course, I am talking about real newspapers not garbage such as Fakt or Super Express. How many readers for GW and for Nasz Dziennik, for instance? ;) You may not like GW and you are not forced to like it but you cannot deny that it is No. 1 paper in Poland.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Dec 2015 #51
GW

No-one is denying that Michnik's ilk are known as shrewd businessmen and crafty manipulators well versed in marketing, PR and propaganda. And, as you know, in today's mega-commercialised world that translates into huge profits.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
4 Dec 2015 #52
@Pol: recognize however that it is by far the no.1 in Poland, no matter what!
jon357 67 | 16,830
4 Dec 2015 #53
You may not like GW and you are not forced to like it but you cannot deny that it is No. 1 paper in Poland.

Absolutely. And does not depend on donations from anonymous sources like the ghastly Gazeta Polska.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Dec 2015 #54
no.1

Only proves how gullible and easily seduced the public can be -- no match for skilled professional manipulators!
InPolska 11 | 1,821
4 Dec 2015 #55
@Pol3: in fact it also works for 100% of politicians (from everywhere).
Ironside 50 | 11,260
4 Dec 2015 #56
Most normal, rational people that aren't blinded by hate can respect Michnik for what he's done, hence why he tends to get awarded by credible institutions.

Nope, they who awarded him don't represent a normal rational people but a certain ideologically biased group.

Your post is just the same old regurgitated nonsense from fronda.pl and other places

What other places? I don't read fronda.pl.

If you said that he was a deeply divisive figure and that some sections of society absolutely hate him - it would be true.

All Poles - meaning politically active Polish people who are against the system and liberalism and progressiveness.

There's a new generation coming through.

What? The new generation is mostly into a national movement, they are few dudes going left, mainly progeny of the red menace. None care about such a old geezer like M.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Dec 2015 #57
100% of politicians

You're nearly right and almost all of them are basically feathering their own nest. But there are always a few exceptions of noble, patriotic and dedicated defenders of the nation. Piłsudski and Kaczyński immediately come to mind, also Dmowski and Paderewski.

Merged: Adam Michnik -- Poland's No. 1 fascist!

"The biggest fascist in Poland is Adam Michnik and his 'Gazeta Wyborcza'. No-one else refers to Poles with more disdain than that newspaper," remarked film-maker Ewa Stankiewicz during a counter-demo outside Kaczyński's home. "That is fascism, that is the NSDAP. It was Michnik who introduced hatred and contempt into Polish public life."

fronda.pl/a/najwiekszym-faszysta-w-polsce-jest-adam-michnik,62162.html
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
14 Dec 2015 #58
I'm rather enjoying the part that you're quoting Fronda as a reliable source :D

For anyone that doesn't know, Fronda.pl is a very extreme fringe Catholic right wing site, knowing for making up endless lies and nonsense about anyone that they don't agree with. They loathe the Pope, they loathe anyone that is different, and the quality of their journalism is comparable to the average 20gr toilet paper.

"The biggest fascist in Poland is Adam Michnik and his 'Gazeta Wyborcza'

Anyone that looks at fronda.pl can see that the site is full of hatred.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
14 Dec 2015 #59
The biggest fascist in Poland is Adam Michnik and his 'Gazeta Wyborcza'

If you don't like pron don't look at it.

The same goes for Gazeta Wyborcza. Easy to ignore if you don't agree with it. In the meantime, we have (hard-won) free-speech in this country.
Harry
14 Dec 2015 #60
No-one else refers to Poles with more disdain than that newspaper

Apart, of course, from The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski.

Anyway, here's a photo of a sign carried by somebody that The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski would probably call 'the Best Sort of Pole' and to whom Michnik would, hopefully refer to with disdain:

the best sort of Pole


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