Abortion still under control in Poland

Untill you ask them why they believe murder is even wrong, if all we are is just biological machines? What grounds lefists have to declare that killing a baby or anything whatsoever for that matter is wrong or not? All this sh*it about proving that fetuses do not have a consciousness makes no difference if we take their premises to their logical conclusion. Do you have an argument as to why it is wrong to kill a conscious entity? Do you have an argument about whether it is wrong to murder a human being at all, whether it is a baby or a full grown person?

Any country that allows that is not civilized by any streach of imagination and make no mistake about it!


Another a lame old slogan. It has been refuted so many times but it do not stop those who would rather apply their fanatic beliefs over reason and scientific evidence.


Indeed, unless they are debating a sanctity of a human life. If they do, they have their argument for abortion but loose one for ban on capital punishment. They would need to openly say they do not think that a human life hold any special value or meaning.

At least that would be honest.

It's the civilised countries that allow it and the less civilised places that don't.


Neither a slogan nor lame and no, it has not been 'refuted'. Unless you're getting to pretend that back street abortions aren't very real.

That's what I see too.

It's the barbaric countries that allow it and the cultured countries that don't.

Completely arse about tit.
As usual.

Very true. Some countries allow religion to dictate what women can or can't do with their bodies.

Evidently they prefer unregulated and dangerous backstreet abortions (up to 9 months if you pay enough) than allow a woman to end a pregnancy legally and safely.

The true sign of a barbaric country.

Religion teaches them that because of their irresponsibility doesn't allow them to kill a human being to rectify their accountability.

Which religion?
There are so many.
Which one should we trust?
If any.

@Miloslaw
Back street abortion is just what happens in most abortionless countries. Not barbaric countries.

Do tell of any religion that promotes killing.
No one is claiming that Britain is a Pagan country.

Don't be obtuse.

Tell me any religion that promotes what you did?

Tell me what religion promotes gay sex.
Christians don't, Muslims don't and they are 90% of the population of the world.
Now quit being a prick and get back on topic you troll.

Countries that ban abortion are barbaric.


Islam.


None of them do.
But many clerics in those religions practice it.
The hypocrisy is unbelievable!

Your corn bread isn't cooked in the middle is it.
We are talking about the defenseless unborn.


Correct answer.
Religion is one thing and clerics are quite another. Duh !

That's relevant how?

It isn't. Nor is a cluster of cells a person?


Learn manners, troll.

As relevant as:


What did I do joun ?


I don't believe anyone claims that it is.
We claimed that those cells that grow into a person are alive and you think killing them is o.k.
Being that you are in a same sex marriage, I really can't understand why you are so animate about abortion.
It really doesn't concern you.


Back at ya Sicko.

That makes more sense.

Religion doesn't promote sex with little children either, but the clerics have no problem with it.

All cells are alive. Not all cells are a person with thoughts and an awareness of self.

Some of the people arguing the hackneyed anti-abortion line here simply couldn't care less. It's a partisan political thing for them. If a woman close to them needed one, they'd drive her to the clinic rather than see her use a rusty coat hanger or die at the hands of a backstreet abortionist.

As for paying to raise any kid should she carry to term, pay taxes for the schooling, healthcare and financial support of unwanted kids. The same ones here who pretend to object to terminations also object to socialised healthcare and welfare.

It isn't what I said. The other way around. Take your time. You can do it.


It is, and it very lame, and it has been refuted many times. Which ban works 100% and there is no people who do it despite the law? Have you heard about criminals? What are they? missunderstood cleric?

Just stop it your claim it is just another level of nosense.
Maybe it works on idiots.

No, it hasn't been 'refuted'...


None, which is why such primitive 'bans' are pointless.

it has it doesn't matter if obtuse clusers of cells refuse to regonize reality.


Well, let them kill, robb and rape, at least we can save some oney on the police after all they are not very efficinet.

What?


Yes, crime figures did go down 20 years after Roe v Wade.

Very well put but remember it is falling on tone deaf ears.


No arguement there however the arguement is that you think it is civilized to kill living cells that are growing into a human being.
Did ya get it that time ?


Looks like it will be going back up again dunnit.
I often look at people here and sometimes think, "REALLY ?" That's the sperm that won ?"

Is there a specific point at which the clusters of cells become more than just clusters of cells?

You know the answer to that, as do lawmakers when setting the limit for terminating pregnancies.

Why not read up on it.

The only satisfactory answer to that is at conception, there is no other answer to that question without sounding like a moron, which is why you cleverly dodged it.

In the UK it's currently allowed at less than 24 weeks, which seems like it's because it's after the anomaly scan at 20 weeks and maybe also because no baby has ever survived being born at less than 23 weeks, so it seems like a good compromise, nothing to do with anything else.

So how does a cluster of cells become " more than a cluster of cells"? What is the difference?


A well thought out limit.

So how does a cluster of cells become " more than a cluster of cells"?

The same way a tomato becomes a tomato, from a seed.
Killing the growing seed cells kills the living tomato at any point of it's growth to maturity.
Why do you insist on playing God by choosing who lives and who dies by killing them?