Abortion still under control in Poland

The issue isn't black or white, yellow or brown, green or yelllow, Richie!
The debate centers around the woman's right to choose regardless of color, as was the Scopes debate whether someone has the right to their own thoughts:-)

A choice to do what? To perform a particular action, which is the termination of the human being developing inside her womb. It's not choice for the sake of choice. If that's the case why doesn't Schumer support the school choice? Or the choice to wear a mask or not? Or the choice to take a sh!t on the good Senator's lap?

@Novichok
Right on, human being killing in the womb is a lucrative biz!

The choice to legally terminate a pregnancy before it becomes one!
Any sober scientist who hasn't been somehow paid off by Far Right groups or the NRA etc. knows that a fetus isn't yet a sentient being.

Not in Europe. Unless of course when it becomes illegal and then the business starts.

Lenka, what's the name of that once famous, much maligned, abortion doctor in Poland?

Sorry but no idea...

Too bad. Thanks anyway:-)

Maybe you need to edit that, because you just said you need to terminate X before it becomes X. If X doesn't already exist, why would you need to terminate X.

As far as pregnancy, a woman becomes pregnant at the moment at conception. Hell, the actual official date of pregnancy can occur before conception-look it up, it has to do with measuring menstrual cycles.

The entire abortion question itself is such a conundrum, AntV!
When does "life" begin? What IS "life"? Saying it's the opposite of "death" is by definition a tautology which makes no sense.

@Lenka

I'm not so sure its not big biz in Europe. I'd have to look at that. Euros are flowing into the pockets of abortionists.

@Lyzko

When does life begin is easy: conception. Embryology makes that clear. What is life? Are you talking about the biological ohenomenon, metaphysical, etc?

Anyhow, you all take care...and love all life that is developing in the wombs of women across the globe🙂

For the purpose of abortion, it begins where we collectively and "democratically" say it begins.
The question that really matters is: Can a society license its doctors and decide what procedures are allowed? The answer is yes and yes. End of discussion. I can't have my arms amputated because it's Tuesday. Somehow, it's my body rule does not apply to me - even if I pay the bill.


I love white life more than black life. In Africa, the reproductive rates are about 7 vs 1.4 in white Europe. Time is not on our side.

Same for you. The decision to continue with a pregnancy or not is a matter for a woman who is pregnant.


No, it is a cluster of cells. It has neither a personality nor an awareness that it exists. As a person, it doesn't exist.


Of a person who knows who they are and has a sense of self and as a punishment? It has no deterrent value and doesn't rehabilitate offenders, so no. A court may (and they sometimes do) decide to withdraw life support from someone in a persistent vegetative state. Ending a pregnancy however is not judicial killing.

Neither does a drunk with four times the legal limit. Give him a day and he will. Give a "fetus" 12 months and you will see all the personality and awareness you will ever want.

@Paulina
More than depressed! If someone dances, and then doesn't, their soul withers, in a way. It's a horrible thing. The worst is for a ballet student who doesn't become a professional.

I really don't understand desire for sex. It seems so strange and primitive to me.
@AntV
What about the eggs lost when a woman menstruates. Is that murder? Or sperm cells that don't fertilize the egg after sex. Is that manslaughter? Or sperm lost outside of intercourse? Or reabsorbed sperm. Murder? And really, what IS life? What is death? A simplistic view is never good. Life is a philosophical thing, really. Maybe only the person who has really LIVED is "alive". Is someone alive if they don't know what is feels like to really live? Maybe people are only alive after death? Only God knows.

And are the women not precious as well? (If they aren't sluts). Isn't motherhood precious and sacred? Not to be given to just anyone. Good mothers are special, angelic people. Shouldn't everyone have a good mother?

If it's natural, no problem. If it's assisted - big problem. So we decided to regulate such things and punish those who don't get it.

Well, if you kill a pregnant mother you'll get charged with 2 murders, not one. For some reason, a fetus is considered a human being, a life in such a situation, but not when some slutty woman wants to get out of a responsibility.

@Dirk diggler
Maybe slutty cows don't deserve to be mothers.
@Novichok
Would abortion be warranted if we could tell if the foetus would be a leftie or the next Einstein? (Aborting the leftie, of course, not the genius).

Who would have thought that a Russian anti Putin female student would have such strident views about leftists or abortion in the US

They don't. If I were in charge of a country then I'd make people undergo testing and receive licenses in order to vote, reproduce, etc. I believe that if someone is stupid, sits on their ass all day, doesn't work or contribute to society, etc. they shouldn't be allowed to have a say in the future of the society or be allowed to have offspring that's likely to be just as stupid and idle.

I remember hearing about a court case where a judge ordered a man to not have any more kids because he already fathered a ton and wasn't providing for them. I'm pretty sure you can guess the color of his complexion, but that's another topic. Anyway, I wish something like this was enacted throughout society. If you can't properly care for your kids and they then become society's burden, you shouldn't be able to have kids.

But in a way that's why I believe abortion is a necessary evil. If abortion were illegal, at least in the USA, the populations of the ghettos would grow exponentially and as a result even more tax funds would be diverted to feeding, housing, etc. them. On the other hand, it would make the more middle class and up women think twice about being promiscuous while in high school and college and men to step up instead of having their partner take the easy way out.

Yes. If a parent can abort because the "fetus" is the wrong sex, nothing wrong with aborting on the basis of political or sexual orientation. Did I say that gays are biologically useless and never help produce grandchildren?

After all, it's the lefties that invented that "constitutional right to abortion" in 1973 and, as a result, 50 million American babies were cut up into small pieces, sold, or discarded.

Should we have aborted the baby called Adolph?


I would go a step further and subsidize ghetto abortions. You know, another affirmative action so it would be easy to sell the idea in DC. Whitey is evil so let them pay.

Well just as you do with others, I respond to your posts sometimes even though they're trolling


We pretty much do...

Yes, of course. So many terrible things would have never happened. The one question is, what would the world be like now if he had never existed? Better or worse or neutral? Without sounding like a Nazi, we will never know.

What principle or logic stand behind those words?
it is a human life not a part of the mother body. That is science taking. Those who deny it are obscurnats that don't know anything about science.

if she can do it because it is inside her womb, I can do it if someone steps onto my land. the same principle the same logic.

if she can do it beouse she is a mother, why cann't she do it when her kid is 4 or 10?
By the way? What about father's say in the matter? If father has no say, why he needs to pay? No taxes without a say.


You don't know that, and even if it doesn't has awarness at the moment it will have in the future. Are you saying that if somebody can catch you while you are intoxicated you blackout can end you right there.

Aslo it is a qestion of prespective from my perspectve some people posting here doesn't have a personality nor awareness, they can haredly be called thinking humans - does it make them ready to be culled?

You here are either stupid people, fascist or communists crazy obscurants and fanaticks lol!
I lol but it seems like it makes a lot of sense.

In which case you'd be barren and disenfranchised :)



For a sixteen year old, foreign ballet student you have a rather singular way of expressing yourself in English.

Good question. Here is my answer: Go ahead and abort but after I get my sperm and my DNA back. All of it.


...or trolls.
The most annoying thing about these rabid baby killers is that no crime is horrendous enough to justify the death penalty.


Make it a child rapist and murderer and I am ready to be the executioner. For free, with my own gun.

@Novichok
Shooting is a quick death. Too kind on them

Babies are born without kneecaps.
They don't appear until the child reaches 2 to 6 years of age.
Life and development start at conception though.

Which again, I don't understand why it's okay for a woman to kill her own child and that's a-okay, totally legal, but yet if a person kills a pregnant woman they're charged with 2 counts of murder, not 1.

What I found ****** up too is that if let's say a couple is doing an at home abortion, the woman won't get in any trouble but the man will get charged with manslaughter or wore. But when a woman goes to a doctor's office, no problem.


Seeing as I have a graduate level education, good career, a good side business, speak 3 languages, etc. I must be doing something right. The average westerner can't say the same. Hell most people are having trouble just paying their rent right now. I may not have a 180 IQ but every standardized test I've taken i.e. ACT, GMAT, etc. I've always scored in the low 90 percentile. And that was with a bad short term memory as I was a daily marijuana smoker back then.

Sad isn't it when emotional psychological game playing influences rational argumentation concerning the entire abortion issue.

How many times can one single person stand being shouted down as a "baby killer" when all they do is enter an abortion clinic? Is what just happened in Texas actually comparable with having an abortion??!

Come on, folks!

@Lyzko
Morally speaking, shooting children at a school is no different from carrying out or getting an abortion. Take a one-year-old onto the counter and cut his head off with a butcher knife. Morally no different from abortion. Put a plastic bag over a disabled elderly person's head. Morally no different from abortion. Abortion is just a different word for baby killing.