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Abortion still under control in Poland


Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
24 Oct 2020 #1,561
You can dismiss the statistics

You have provided none evoking "common knowledge" instead.

the whole point of human civilisation is protection of the weakest, not survival of the fittest,

Strangely enough, the fittest survive in the long run despite all the efforts of human civilization. Nature is still stronger than human civilization which may collapse just in a few seconds.
Poloniusz 4 | 603
24 Oct 2020 #1,562
They will win this battle.

Why is an old British homosexual like you cheerleading on the sidelines for abortion rights in Poland?
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,563
the fittest survive in the long run despite all the efforts of human civilization.

This is very true. The anti-abortionists however seem to prefer that the weakest just suffer. Some of them believe that suffering is somehow 'worthy', and to be 'offered up'.

Why is an

Hello Bieggers! Why not visit Poland and acquaint yourself (from an English language source that you can understand) about the issues here.
Poloniusz 4 | 603
24 Oct 2020 #1,564
Why not visit Poland

You're dodging the question as usual because you can't provide an honest answer.

You can't get pregnant yourself and you will never get anyone else pregnant.

How unsurprising that you leftists are so pro-life when it comes to banning the death penalty; dumping over half a trillion dollars on a AIDS cure which has never been found (but would have died out long ago if allowed to take its natural course); and also never advocate for euthanasia when you are now in a prime age and low social value to take advantage of it and help reduce over population and save the planet.

Yet, when it comes to a stranger's child in a womb your mantra is "kill! Kill! KILL!"

'offered up'

Clearly, as a homosexual your abortion advocacy is nothing more than a sinister case of Moloch worship by proxy.


jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,565
More of the same rubbish, Bieggers. Especially the bit about HIV research.

And meanwhile the Pisuarzy use Covid as a cover to dog whistle to their declining support base.

Yet, when it comes to a stranger's child in a womb your mantra is "kill! Kill! KILL!"

Really?
Tacitus 2 | 1,237
24 Oct 2020 #1,566
(I read about it in so many sources

Which is why I wanted a source because every article I found indicates a reliability over 90%.

I mean that argument doesn't carry any weight.

It actually does, because in a proper democracy, the majority can not impose every kind of law on the minority without restriction, otherwise we have a tyranny of the majority. Laws need to be justified and provided with proper arguments, not just with something one may call a superstition.

Are you for the right to own a gun, dismantle of a welfare state, low taxes and a small government?

None of those points are related to forcing someone to carry a child against their will.

Hell, I have made even a stronger case for a bank robber using YOUR 'logic'.

I really wanna see you try that.

The foundation of your argumemts appear to be really poor if you have to use such false equivalences and exaggerations.
johnny reb 28 | 5,324
24 Oct 2020 #1,567
Yet, when it comes to a stranger's child in a womb your mantra is "kill! Kill! KILL!"

"If Planned Parenthood was killing puppies instead of babies they would be shut down in a week."
pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Oct 2020 #1,568
Smile on face of Saint Virgin Mary Queen - radiant. Foam at mouths of neo-nazi eugenic sickf*cks - priceless...

Yes, fundamentalists are triumphing and basking in glory today.

But you realise their opponents, furious as hornets, won`t give up. When rightwingers lose power one day, the winners will abolish their laws. No, they won`t bring back the consensual compromise which has existed so far. They will pass a new law about full, unrestricted access to abortion to all women regardless of reasons. The pendulum will swing back to the other side with full force.

Do you want that?
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,569
But you realise their opponents, furious as hornets, won`t give up

They haven't quite got their heads round that yet. In the end, progress only heads in one direction.

fundamentalists are

If their deity can create universes, galaxies, photons and quarks as well as rise from the dead after 3 days, he or she can easily accommodate terminated pregnancies.
johnny reb 28 | 5,324
24 Oct 2020 #1,570
Do you want that?

Can't stop it as it is already prophesized.

the winners will abolish their laws.

Technically it will be the losers because they will end humanity as we know it.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
24 Oct 2020 #1,571
the consensual compromise

It is worth noting that the late President of Poland, Lech Kaczyński who died in the Smoleńsk crash, had always insisted on the abortion law compromise which has just been swept away by the extremist right in Poland and is provoking huge demonstrations all over the country. He said it was a compromiseso painfully reached and it was absolutely vital to carry on with it unchanged. And yet the silly rightard circles and religious bigots decided to break it in the midst of the pandemic.

The government is actually fighting with two waves of protest, another one being the demonstration of the catering industry in the centre of Warsaw. Some time ago there had been farmer's protests against the so-called "five of Kaczyński". The clashes with representatives ot the LGBT movement were truly minor in the light of this as now several large segments of Polish society are at odds with this government.

Where does this madness of Poland's ruling party come from I don't really know.
pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Oct 2020 #1,572
And yet the silly rightard circles and religious bigots decided to break it in the midst of the pandemic.

They are panicked coz they see the mass withdrawal from faith in today`s Poland. They think they are able to contain it, hence their radical moves. I would call it a natural phenomenon.

But the changes are inevitable - Poland is becoming more and more secular every year. And nobody and nothing can stop it.

Where does this madness of Poland's ruling party come from I don't really know.

This madness is an inherent part of rightist identity - people who profess it are not sane.
cms neuf 1 | 1,852
24 Oct 2020 #1,573
What they are doing is turning off the people like myself who are social church goers. It's suicidal for the church in Poland.
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,574
Kaja Godek, another religious fanatic

Here's the 'pro-life' Kaja Godek, should anyone reading this be unfamiliar with her.



pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Oct 2020 #1,575
Later on she said they were only ordering 5 beers each. The guy who isn`t sieg heiling doesn`t like beer.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
24 Oct 2020 #1,576
Here's the 'pro-life' Kaja Godek,

Here is the real Kaja Grodek:


mafketis 24 | 9,385
24 Oct 2020 #1,577
Are you saying the other picture isn't her? isn't real? or isn't the 'real' her?
Joker 2 | 1,787
24 Oct 2020 #1,579
Why is an old British homosexual like you cheerleading on the sidelines for abortion rights in Poland?

Its really bizarre isn't it.

Its all part of his libtard agenda to change Poland for the worse and turn it into another PC hell hole that he moved away from.

Remember.....Locusts always need new crops to feed off.
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,580
another PC hell hole

Tell us more...

You think the legal situation last week here in Poland was a "PC hell hole", whatever that is?

Perhaps you'd prefer these people in charge...



Joker 2 | 1,787
24 Oct 2020 #1,581
Perhaps you'd prefer these people in charge..

You cant make a baby coz youre a homo. Let the REAL women decide jon. Just because you like to wear a dress and act like a fairy doesnt give you the right to make the choice for actual women.

You spend a lot of time poking your nose in other peoples affairs!
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,582
You cant make a baby coz youre a homo

Do you think sexuality is the same as fertility. You have a lot to learn...

women decide

They are certainly being quite decisive here in Poland.
Joker 2 | 1,787
24 Oct 2020 #1,583
Wow, you have a lot to learn...

Why does a brit homo care about abortions in Poland, the same reason you interfere in American elections?

I suppose its what trolls do on a Saturday night in Poland. Actually, its every day and night for your 2 specimens that cant afford to do anything else😆
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,584
abortions in Poland

Best to lay off the drink and drugs before posting about serious matters. Especially ones which are dominating the news here in Poland and leading to large spontaneous demonstrations in most major cities.

This issue is going to run and run here. It's yet another extreme measure by a failing regime backed up by a religious body that is haemorrhaging adherents. We can expect more extreme measures, however so far, this one has provoked the strongest reaction among ordinary people here.

the same reason you interfere in American elections

No, I leave that to Putin.
pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Oct 2020 #1,585
No, I leave that to Putin.

hahaha Funny.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
24 Oct 2020 #1,586
Where does this madness of Poland's ruling party come from I don't really know.

You were all exited when they banned animal farms you and that pawian. Now that they are correcting the law that should have been corrected long time ago you go ape-shite crazy. Yuck!!! What a scummy soviets.

What they are doing? They don't know. They F up a lot lately. so they hope they will gain some support by doing that. Simple!

the majority can not impose every kind of law on the minority without restriction, otherwise we have a tyranny of the majority.

In what reality? In a parallel universe or in your ivory tower? The biggest superstition is a lie that human are rational creatures that given a proper education would act rationally with a reason as they guidance.

Regardless that is only correction of the law that had been already in place. . You should find out more about the issue and not from biased leftie sources. Otherwise you give an impression that you are not rational about it at all but rather frantically and emotionally involved on a one side and you don't give a fiddle for the truth.

None of those points are related to forcing someone to carry a child against their will.

How it is not? You are talking about tyranny of the state that is imposing its will on the people. So an option is to leave people as much individual freedom as possible without said state interference. If you think that you can pick and choose which issues should be forced on people and which not. You are not advocating a greater individual freedom. You have nothing against state tyranny as long as it goes your way.

You are a hypocrite.
By the way woman has a choice doesn't have to become pregnant is not compulsory. Once she does it is not longer only about her. there is a life of another human being at stake. A defenseless minority, somehow a hypocrite like you don't care enough to defend them. why cause they cannot vote?

such false equivalences and exaggerations.

Prove it! The same agreement you make about breaking the law can be made about any other criminal. There is no special status for abortion. That distinction exist only in your mind. If anything the law is inconsistent here. For an abortion there no real legal consequences for a woman, whereas if she or a father would have killed a five years old child they go to jail. Makes no sense.
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,587
when they banned animal farms

They didn't. They banned fur farms.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
24 Oct 2020 #1,588
They didn't.

they did, they had to correct it later - morons
And you and that soviet pair of clowns haven't noticed it either, I had a laugh talking to them with they ignorance apparent yet they have supported PiS legalization regardless lol !
jon357 66 | 17,068
24 Oct 2020 #1,589
morons

Yes, PiS are certainly that...
pawian 176 | 14,299
24 Oct 2020 #1,590
it takes vast amounts of funding to provide the right kind of support for a disabled child or adult.

And the Polish state doesn`t offer it and won`t, either, due to empty treasury.
An interesting piece of info I just found - parents of disabled children, mostly a mother, usually don`t work coz they need to take residential care 24/7. They don`t work so they are not eligible for retirement and pensions. How nice.

Thank you, PIS. Skurwysyny.


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