People are smart enough to decide what proof is.
well then professor, show us your proof, are you smart enough to do that?
I've made myself clear in my debating.
Repeating faulty reasoning has made it clear you have yet to adapt your ideas to the reality around you.
if there were a genuine question of doubt, a point of debate, over someone's guiltiness of a crime that would carry the death penalty
Guiltiness is not a word. However your point on the death penalty stands (imo) if you can define one thing: "a point of debate." What does and doesn't qualify as a point of debate as to someone's guilt, in your opinion of course?
"Freely acknowledged by most in this discussion?" Is that an objective source? When, according to most in this discussion, is it that life officially begins. Do tell.
Should we not err on the side of caution, respect those who feel life begins at conception, respect and listen to the views of women
And should we not err on the side of caution and respect those who feel life doesn't begin at conception and listen to the views of women who had had abortions and later have not regretted it? Why are WE to decide for others when life does or doesn't begin in their bodies? Who the hell on this thread is advocating "entering" abortion lightly? I'm against the practice myself but it is not for me to decide for a woman when the life inside her is human and when it is something else.
It is not something that we can leave to 'choice'?
(I'm assuming that's not really a question) Then as I've been LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT: ELIMINATE THE REASONS FOR THAT CHOICE. Making it illegal won't solve the problem, eliminating the reasons for considering that choice will. What can you not understand about that? Seriously?
If you are wrong, F4 - just think about that. What if you are wrong?
What if you are wrong NATASIA- just think about that. What if you are wrong?
What if life begins at conception
What if life doesn't begin when you say it does and you are saying it's okay to for women who don't want to become mothers to have children what if you are forcing those children to be born into the hell that will be their world (and don't pretend life is smooth sailing for the children of drug addict mothers or prostitutes or those who simply don't want their children). You're a caring person but you're failing to understand that many women aren't. People see the world around them differently than you, they live different lives and I don't think you know what a hard life really is.
what if you are saying it is ok to snuff them out, in the interests of 'choice'? Are you ok with that?
I'm perfectly fine with that BECAUSE what I say is not forcing anyone to or not to make that choice.
People say they aren't "ok" with this or that and continue to do nothing about this or that. Well actions speak louder than words- what have your actions been?
And this is where it falls back on the shoulders of you and those in your "camp." If you are not "ok" with abortion, if you view it as murder and you are not doing all you can do to prevent it then, I'm sorry to inform you, you stand on the same side as I do. If you are doing nothing to eliminate the reasons women have for choosing to have abortions then you're on the same side I am. Are you okay with that?
If a woman has had an abortion, is she then a murderer? Are you "ok" with locking up all these women?
Think about this, if you view it as murder then the doctors and women who have done this are murderers and you CANNOT logically be "ok" with them going unpunished like you'd punish any other murderer.
Leave the choice there.
Eliminate the reasons for making that choice.