New cross war in Warsaw

The cross row illustrates a well-known fact that whenever anything out of the ordinary
is happening, it activates all kinds of peripheral individuals, in this case the man with the excrement in a jar or hand grenade. Legitimate protests often are taken advantage of by lootters, and every large crowd -- be it a rock concert or a pilgrimage -- creates a certain amount of confusion behind which pickpockets and other wrongdoers can hide.

Democracy is messy, isn't it?

An observation about the cross war (kind of)

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/25/poles-apart-two-faces-polish-society

That is where you are wrong. The loonies camping out there are not "individuals". They represent a sizeable minority = PIS electorate - of Polish society. This is not even a piligrimage. Remember they called the episcopate "traitors".

sobieski
Stop lying you brain-washed TVN watcher freak.

? They were calling the episcopate on TV "traitors".
I rather would call the bishops cowards in this case
It is by the way about time they charge the loonies for all the police hours wasted on them.
They also make the new pavement dirty by the way with their candles

An observation about the cross war (kind of)

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/25/poles-apart-two-faces-polish-society

A very interesting read as well as the comments underneath, much more positive than the stuff you see on PF

You have People who have nothing better to do,except complain and then you have people like Marta featured in this video.
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I wish for a Poland were the Martas of Polska are in the majority

Tell me, Madam, what have you been doing recently? Oh, defending a cross :) :) Wow, can you cite me which provision of your contract you are fulfilling there, Madam? I wouldn't pay some useless buffoons here a grosz. Some people are just fit for nothing and Jesus will not save them from that reality. Shout louder, fools, you just might be heard ;)

At first glance, it may seem that the Warsaw muincipal authorities,Episcopate and president's office are repeatedly lobbing the ball of the Smolensk cross issue away from each other. But the town hall claims it is not on municipal property, and Church officials say they did not plant it there, which is true. It is on presidential porperty and was set up by boy scouts, so the Komorowski gang should sort it out with the scouts directly. But the PR-obsessed president prefers to turn a blind eye lest any action on his part should affect the PO's ratings ahead of next year's general poll.

Or maybe, the smartest thing to do is leave it there while PiS's opinion poll ratings slide? The whole "cross war" thing has been nothing but good for PO as a whole.

good point


The Abraham story is metaphorical ,i think you over-rationalizing hence simplifying a story of huge sociological importance. However the cross mob are nut-cases, that is a fact.

Plenty of cross people around I see ;) Hasn't this been resolved? The Poles will still be fighting over this in 2061, LOL. One generation of babcias will pass on their defensive roles to the next :)

I agree.. Kaczyński, once viewed as a poltical animal, seems to have lost his savvy...
Could the loss of his twin brother have shell-shocked him to that extent? Indeed, the cross war is serving the PO As long as they remain aloof and don't get involved. That

is why Komroowski has so far done nothing to terminate the row.

Kommie is likely still on a wine and champagne high. He's a millionaire apparently. I can just imagine him going to swanky restaurants and occasionally requesting sb to bring him pen and paper to sign whatever Tusk agreed to. If Tusk doesn't take a stand on the cross issue, neither will Kommie. When is this referendum? The public are paying for the security there so they can be enfranchised via referendum too IMHO.

I think that is the best thing to do. Other side is that the loonies are polluting the most elegant street in Warsaw and destroying the pavement with their candles.

But no problem. Hopefully a very wet and windy autumn and a freezing winter...
Every day they stay, JK goes down in the polls, that is for sure.

I feel inclined to floccinaucinihilipilificate this antidisestablishmentarianism.

It was just announced by the President of City of Warsaw how much has the last month cost (meaning the cross war expenses like security, cleaning, etc.)

A milion PLN.

It would be a good idea to confiscate from the cross loonies camping on the pavement their pension to cover these expenses. After all their candles are ruining the pavement. They are the reason the police is there fulltime. This money could have been spent on other things.

What amazes me is that these people seem to think that their great leader and the dead of Smolensk would want to be remembered by the thuggish actions of a bunch of spitting, poo throwing louts.

Is this how they think the world should see Poland? their catholic faith?

Why not put their energy to something positive? Wouldn't that be a better memorial than yet another cross/monument in a city full of them already?

****!

freaking middle ages...


EXACTLY!!!

stupid people!!

*....pg's angry.....*

Because the people who are up there threatening to attack priests are utterly incapable of doing anything positive, they are simply bitter jealous hateful nothings.

is that cross still there...?

Yep. The current plan is for families of those who died in the crash to take the thing on a pilgrimage to the crash site and plant it there.

oh, pls tell me they are not serious

that doesn't sound too bad. what's the problem? cross gets moved, everyone is happy...

yeah... i want them to move that cross from the front of the palace...

no it's just that constant wallowing in self-pity, embarrassing as it is within the country boarders now exported eastward, give me a break

They are.


thenews.pl/national/artykul139406_first-lady-to-lead-pilgrimage-to-smolensk.html

Even though I never was against religion and I was critisizing all those atheists fighting with religion, the recent Jarek Kaczyński statements made me think of apostasia...

Last week I was in Warsaw and I've seen those ppl on my own eyes. Good Lord! those ppl are freaks! I feel shame for my country they don't have enough guts to rid them off by force. I blame the Church that doesn't have enough guts to say clearly its wrong and threaten all those freaks of excommunication for making the cross symbol the main point of that circus. Church is humilited by those cross defenders so church should do something with them. Those ppl needs mental house treatment, really!