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Mysterious death of Magdalena Żuk on holiday in Egypt


Ziemowit 13 | 4,537
29 May 2017 #61
Unimpressed with that story which had a definite agenda (egypt is safe and poles are racist!)

Agreed. Probably trying to take the attention off the British being racist themselves.

Not a good word, even if the Independent's version is taken at face value it sounds more like accidental death

Agreed. But 'suicide' was it called in this clown's report.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #62
the British

As far as I know there isn't any connection between the tragic death of the troubled Polish holidaymaker and Britain.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,537
29 May 2017 #63
The connection is that the British are racist like almost everyone else on this planet, but they prefer to point at the Polish to take the attention off themselves.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #64
they prefer to point at the Polish

This is an English language forum about Poland. Hence discussion of matters Polish, including the tragic death of a tourist which has taken up so many column inches here in Poland.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
29 May 2017 #65
Ziemowit is right, it's an English trait - they like to point the finger at other 'backward civilisations' yet some of the worst and most racist atrocities in the world have been committed by the Brits.

But that's a discussion for a different time I suppose.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #66
No UK connection here, WP. Just a Polish tourist who became ill on holiday in a popular resort.

they

They?
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #67
Now some people are saying she was 'possessed'.
party.pl/newsy/smierc-magdaleny-zuk-byla-opetana-relacja-dziennikarza-tvn-5335-r22/
Ziemowit 13 | 4,537
29 May 2017 #68
In the same way you are 'possessed' by the PolishForums. Be careful not to throw yourself out of the window.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #69
Only Polish tourists with many deep-seated issues do that when they have psychotic episodes.

Much as conspiracy theorists wish there were more to it.
Ironside 51 | 11,499
29 May 2017 #70
hat when they have psychotic episodes.

The way you tell lies about a dead woman and circumstances of her demise about which you know nothing about is disgusting.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #71
Evidently you have as little shame as the conspracy theorists, the tabloid journalists and the fake tv detective (the one who kidnapped a child in Norway) since you think there's something wrong in sticking to the known facts; that she had a psychotic episode, was driven to the regional hospital and died there after violent behaviour.
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #72
Oh, so you're admitting then that the Egyptian hospital was negligent in diagnosing the severity of her condition and ensuring she had the amount of care needed to prevent self-harm.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #73
Oh, so you're admitting

Don't be daft, Bieggers. It's hardly the Centralny Szpital Kliniczny MSWiA w Warszawie, unless you know otherwise.
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #74
unless you know otherwise.

The thing about lying is that is difficult to maintain it.

You said only a couple of days ago that she was alone:

a sad story of a person with deep-seated problems on holiday alone.

I said at the time Egypt wasn't safe for Poles and you having an affinity with and loyalty to the Middle East instantly disagreed and rallied to defend the Arab Republic of Egypt.

Today you said she was taken to a hospital there so she clearly wasn't alone especially when transported and then admitted to of all places a hospital.

Although you won't come out and say the Egyptian hospital was negligent you will only go so far as to say it shouldn't be compared with those back in Poland.

You'll have to explain the Middle East mindset a lot better because you are making no sense that Western holiday makers are safe in Egypt (history shows this simply isn't true) but if they become patients in a hospital in Egypt then they are on their own.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #75
The thing about lying is that is difficult to maintain it.

Don't be daft.

She was on holiday alone. This is a fact.
She was taken to hospital due to a psychiatric episode. This is a fact.

Whoever said she was alone in hospital? Only you.

because you are making no sense that patient is on their own

You are, as usual, pretending to misunderstand simple facts.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
29 May 2017 #76
jon why are you so insistent on presenting this 'nothing to see here' agenda?
Questions should be asked about this strange episode, for goodness sake, a family has lost their daughter.
I think Gregy's suggestion that she might have been spiked on the night she arrived is a reasonable one.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #77
Questions should be asked about this strange episode, for goodness sake

Like an inquest?

uggestion that she might have been spiked on the night she arrived

The psychotic episode lasted much more than a night and her behaviour deteriorated through out her stay.
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #78
jon why are you so insistent on presenting this 'nothing to see here' agenda?

He is fervently displaying tribal loyalty towards an Islamic country. It's the same reason why he sneers at any sign of patriotism expressed by Poles and Polonia toward Poland.

She was taken to hospital due to a psychiatric episode. This is a fact.

So who was responsible then for her care since you claim she was psychotic. The hospital or her?

Don't beat around the bush with name calling and misdirection. Simply state which party is responsible when a patient is diagnosed with a psychiatric condition and admitted to a hospital because of it.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #79
psychotic.

She was taken to a hospital. Sometimes people die in hospitals. That is why they have mortuaries.

Why are you claiming it says here that she died alone?
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #80
Sometimes people die in hospitals. That is why they have mortuaries.

Such a pathetic cowardly response.

An otherwise physically health young woman is rushed to a hospital and your attitude is that "oh well, people die in hospitals, that's why they have mortuaries."

So, was she admitted voluntarily or involuntarily given the state of mind you claim she was in? How much of a language barrier was there between her, those who took her to the hospital, and the hospital staff?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
29 May 2017 #81
How much of language barrier was there between her, those who took her to the hospital, and the hospital staff?

exactly - would there have been a translator? Was the hospital set up for mental health problems?
Would there even have been care offered?
For example in a nearby country, nurses dont work at night, you are expected to bring a friend or relative. which this girl obviously did not have.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #82
"oh well,

Who said "oh well". You, actually. It isn't an "oh well" matter.

language barrier

Read the extensive coverage in the Polish language media on the issue, particularly about the role of the Polish packafe tour operator in the resort. They cover this in detail. Inn Polish, of course.
Bieganski 17 | 896
29 May 2017 #83
which this girl obviously did not have.

Great points. If there was such a language barrier when she was admitted then they should have immediately contacted the Polish embassy for consular assistance.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #84
then they should have immediately

What is your opinion on the Polish language media coverage of the actual steps that the Polish tour operator took?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #85
exactly - would there have been a translator?

yes,,this guy resident speak polish quite well.

Was the hospital set up for mental health problems?

no.they drove her to wrong hospital..small local one.

Would there even have been care offered?

nope..it was local small clinic,suitable only for small injury treating of local tourists.
for me its all strange,why she was placed in hands of few strangers for 3 days,while her mental state deteriorated so badly,hotel just decided to kick her out.leaving her on mercy of with few guys.nobody knows who they were.some residents friends.

just one day before she died,they were driving her around,from hotel to hotel,to airport ect. instead living this problem to some authorities.who would know what hospital is suitable.

its just shocking.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
29 May 2017 #86
If she had her drinks spiked THAT would explain everything.

No it wouldn't.

For a start, spiking drinks is extremely unusual in reality its an excuse people use to cover the fact that they got drunk.

The other issue is that the drugs put in drinks don't make you psychotic.

Larium does male you psychotic and is often taken for the first time on holiday.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #87
The other issue is that the drugs put in drinks don't make you psychotic.

some do
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
29 May 2017 #88
the drugs put in drinks don't make you psychotic.

i know a group that was spiked with mcat, that would do it, for example.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #89
some do

As far as I know they just make you drowsy and forgetful. There's only so many pills that don't have a foul taste - roofies among them.

Lariam

A small percentage of users do have nasty side-effects from Lariam - including behaviour very close to psychosis.

Do we know if she'd got some before setting off ot if a Polish doctor had given her any shots before leaving?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #90
As far as I know they just make you drowsy and forgetful.

no there are many psyhotropic drugs..her behaviour was very standard for someone under psychotropic drug
one egyptian doctor from the very hospital she died,claim she was drugged with flakka.


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