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Morawiecki and Macierewicz and a very strange film....


mafketis
8 Feb 2022 #1
A lot of people are wondering what's going on in PiS due the very.... odd interaction between PM Morawiecki and aborted-coup leader and former minister of defense (and all round conspiracy loon) Antoni Macierewicz....

the usually impassive Morawiecki (known for his trademark asymetric scowl) bugs his eyes out at something said by Macierewicz at the 3 year anniversary of the death of former prime minister Olszewski and steps toward him (while the camera inconveniently moves in another direction)

twitter.com/profMarekBelka/status/1490786295009980427

diglogs.com/poland/strange-faces-of-morawiecki-in-the-cemetery-the-prime-minister-did-not-rip-off-macierewicz-policy/

What is going on here (and what's going on in PiS)?
pawian
8 Feb 2022 #2
What is going on here

Maciar didn`t insult Moraw personally - the latter is hard skinned and toughened against criticism. Most probably it was Moraw`s father whose memory was abused by Maciar - e.g, he could imply sth about Old Moraw`s affiliation with the Kremlin.
OP mafketis
9 Feb 2022 #3
he could imply sth about Old Moraw`s affiliation with the Kremlin.

And what about Smolensk Boy's own Russian.... connections.....? Wouldnt' that be the pot calling the kettle black?
gumishu
9 Feb 2022 #4
And what about Smolensk Boy's own Russian

yeah, sure Macierewicz is a Russian spy - in Tomasz PiÄ…tek's imagination mostly
pawian
9 Feb 2022 #5
Wouldnt' that be the pot calling the kettle black?

Another one is also good. The thief is screaming: Catch the thief! So, Maciar perfectly knows that people suspect him of being the Russian connection and this suspicion is well grounded. So, he tries to shift the accusations onto other people.

sure Macierewicz is a Russian spy

A lot of his past and quite recent actions prove it.
Cojestdocholery
9 Feb 2022 #6
A lot of his past and quite recent actions prove it.

There should be an award a golden political fool in Poland. In fact many such awards. So many fools.
pawian
9 Feb 2022 #7
bugs his eyes out at something said by Macierewicz

When you eventually learn the real price of bread:



gumishu
9 Feb 2022 #8
A lot of his past and quite recent actions prove it.

name a single one - I'm really curious
pawian
9 Feb 2022 #9
name a single one

He annuled the Caracal contract in 2016. Since then, Poland hasn`t bought new choppers.
gumishu
9 Feb 2022 #10
Poland hasn`t bought new choppers

but we're buying Patriot anti-missile systems and Abrams tanks from the US - maybe the priorities have changed
Miloslaw
9 Feb 2022 #11
maybe the priorities have changed

They have.
Cojestdocholery
10 Feb 2022 #12
being the Russian connection

So which one is a bad one - A Russian conncetion or a German connection?
What about an Ameircan connection - is that bad or good?
pawian
10 Feb 2022 #13
maybe the priorities have changed

They have coz Macierewicz was fired, let me remind you.

So which one is a bad one - A Russian conncetion or a German connection Ameircan connection -?

Go back to my post, or even the mere quote from my post so that you won`t have to look too far, and tell us what connection I mentioned?

You have the following options:
1/ Russian
2/ German
3/ American
4/ Inuit
5/ Roma
6/ Martian

buahahahaha
gumishu
10 Feb 2022 #14
He annuled the Caracal contract in 2016. Since then, Poland hasn`t bought new choppers.

Caracals as far as I know are transport helicopters - to my understanding Poland actually doesn't immediately need such choppers especially after NATO has withdrawn from Afghanistan - I would love to see attack helicopters for Polish army (the like of the American Apache) but we can't have anything presto - maybe some day

also: to my understanding the Caracal deal was reached by the PO government and the French as a bribe: Tusk wanted to be somebody in Europe and the French most probably said: 'it comes with a price" - also as far as I know the agreed price for a unit was 50 per cent higher than the price Turkey paid a couple of years earlier
gumishu
10 Feb 2022 #16
price for a unit was 50 per cent higher than the price Turkey paid a couple of years earlier

I was wrong - it was Brasil - and the price per unit was a half of that Poland was supposed to pay

Turkey bought over 100 American Black Hawks for the price similar to the price we were supposed to pay for 60 caracals (and the Americans have given Turkey a significant offset deal)
pawian
10 Feb 2022 #17
the agreed price for a unit was 50 per cent higher

The French offered a huge off-set.

Caracals as far as I know are transport helicopters

No, versatile multi-purpose.

Poland actually doesn't immediately need such choppers

You can also say it about Abrams tanks the purchase of which you were so proud of. :):)
gumishu
10 Feb 2022 #18
tell me what do you think we need transport helicopters for - in simple words - caracals may be multi purpose but they are not attack helicopters

also tanks are useful in a war when you engage in a war with an enemy wielding lots of tanks - transport helicopers? not so much

The French offered a huge off-set.

it's debateable - other companies involved in the public tender offered even more offset but the offset was not part of the conditions of the tender
pawian
12 Feb 2022 #19
also tanks are useful in a war

A little. To be really useful in our theatre, we would need thousands of them, like Russia currently has, and not 200 or 300. Instead of tanks, we need thousands of antitank and anti-aircraft stuff which is much cheaper and millions of civilian Poles could learn to use it. While tanks are operated only by the army.

caracals may be multi purpose but they are not attack helicopters

No, they aren`t. But their usefulness is the same as tanks. Your tanks against my Caracals - it is a draw.


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