€11,700 to every migrant returning to the Polish capital and starting a business there.

Each family has their own belief system,the beauty of living in a democracy is freedom of thought ,speech and action. It is only at the point of extremism of any belief or lack of, it then becomes a problem.

It reads like a contradiction, first you blame rising crime on non-religious folks and now you say any extremism becomes a problem.

€11,700 to every migrant returning to the Polish capital and starting a business there.
Would smart arses not come back claim the money and head off again after it "didn't work out"? ;)

I feel for you guys. Now the whole western Europe pays taxes so Poles will come back home, a bad joke.


You're absolutely right about that.


Obviously they must be smart enough at least in this point, having someone else to pay for their needs.

I think they will have some contracts/rules that will make sure that the money will come into right use. But yes i guess some people will take advantage of it in a "wrong" way. But hey!! Rules Are Meant To Be Broken right!!!??? ;)

Haha, in their dreams. We have quite good education only in high school. I don't know anyone who would say that Poland has generally good unis (no one is so out-of-mind to claim such bs)

Why do I feel a sarcasm in your comment??

The SME incubators here fund some of the most retarded ideas that I've ever seen. It's bad, really bad.

There was a similar incentive in spain in 2008/2009, they offered all non-spanish who had been made unemployed within the previous 12 months, a one way flight and 10,000 euro to leave Spain for a minimum of two years, the aim was to keep down the unemployment figures.

We do not know the conditions of the offer from the PL Gov. We can be guaranteed of one thing, anyone who wishes to claim the funding with have to jump through many hoops. This is Poland...

Funny Spain is paying people to leave the country while Poland is doing the opposite. Seems that we haven't feelt the emigrant wave in Poland YET!!!

Haha can't imagine 10% of Polands population being Foriginers, i guess Poland is lucky in that aspect!!!

A polish Welcome!!!

That's interesting, in my opinion stupid but interesting.

I can imagine the "results" being bias due to the motivation but I am still curious, tell us what was the general outcome?

I don't see a contradiction, nor do i blame crime on non-religious folk, I mention just four valid points:

1.Each family has their own belief system,the beauty of living in a democracy is freedom of thought ,speech and action.
2.It is only at the point of extremism of any belief or lack of, it then becomes a problem.
3.The vast majority of parents have good intentions,
4.but somehow with all the good intentions there is still the rising crime.


There was a wave of people that took up the offer, as it was an easy option to go home with cash in their pockets. I believe the offer is still on the table in 2010.

Fair point, I misconstrued what you meant, excuse me.


Did they get the money?

Actually Spain ain't alone with this idea.

Spain.
In a bid to get around 100,000 immigrants to leave, its government has offered six months of unemployment benefits, around $18500, to foreign nationals who in return promise not to come back to Spain for three years. Some 4,000 people have taken the cash so far.

The Czech Republic is offering just under $1000 per migrant to leave.

Northern Ireland this week the government there is paying for the airfares home of around 100 Romanian Gypsies who’ve been the victim of racist violence.

And in the UK a one million pound government scheme to help rejected asylum seekers to return home has resulted in just one family leaving Britain. Critics have called the project a scandal.

Japan is offering around US$3000 to each Latin American national living there, plus the cost of the airfare to go home.

Refugees and those who come to Denmark under family reunification schemes currently get 28,256 in repatriation support if they leave, of which 11,000 is a bonus. The bonus is usually paid out a year after the recipient returns home and their right to Danish residency expires.

The new deal would see 100,000 kroner given as a bonus if a foreigner returns home and gives up their residency rights in Denmark.

I think this is something that we will see more and more in Europe. The nationalistic era seems to make a comeback in the European political arena!!!

Waiting for Poland to make that offer...

Without knowing the full details, that seems very different from the rest.


Have you any links for all these? the cards seemed stacked in that post.

Sorry for that.
worldhaveyoursay.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/would-you-pay-immigrants-to-leave-your-country

cphpost.dk/news/politics/90-politics/47432-foreigners-to-get-100000-kroner-incentive-to-leave-denmark.html

Well done, D-18 for finding the article, the offer that is on the table in PL must have some strict conditions to it. I am sure Delph will have it, all in black and white by midday on monday.

Here is another:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7593773.stm

No problem, I will take a look.
It still seems silly, I have read about Spain paying Romas to leave but under E.U. law this is discriminatory and has no legal weight. In other words they can take the money, go on holiday and return, I guess when things "Don't work out".

Spain "the biggest building site in Europe" during the boom times, now sending their workers back to whence they came.


Or else.... :)

It'll probably the same old stuff - only priority groups (under 25, over 50, returning to work after a baby, etc) will stand a chance of getting it, and the money will be laden with so many restrictions that it'll be impossible for anything other than a cottage industry to develop from it.

It would make *far* more sense to offer it as matched funding - invest 11,700 euro and get 11,700 after the first year, for instance.

Yea well the only thing Poland can offer it's foriginers is a kick in the butt.

Or maybe a case of zubrowka as a farewell present and of course a kick in the BUTT!!!

Yes!
You can be very sensible Delphi, good man.

Good idea until people start messing with the books trying to get more funding :/

If you apply for EU funding on a business in Poland, from what I was reading it is up to a max of 60% in certain sectors and if the company goes belly up inside two years, you have to pay the money back. Does that sound about right?

To be honest, the best way to deal with this is simply to require them to present a full set of books (including all the invoices) at the end of the year. Anyone not trading "seriously" shouldn't get the funding - anything that's just a fiddle would show up straight away.

But giving away money is just a bad idea - I know from Poznan alone, many of the businesses started with government cash are run by people without a clue.

We could have a "dragon's den" for E.U. funding and make a fortune or we could go completely commercial and have a "mam talent now give me the f***ing money!" special.

whatayathink Delphy? we could run with this idea 50/50? :)

The problem is that it creates short term growth, people are employed...only until the handouts end. Poland needs stable long term growth through good ideas, not charity.

I wouldn't see it as charity but as investment.


Okay, Mr. Ideas, how would you blow it? :)

Lowering business taxation for new start up business' in Poland. Not forever but for enough time for them to become competitive.

Until ZUS kicks in at 840PLN instead of 330PLN, Davie

Here is a paper dated 2006, so it seems the idea is not new
eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/2006/10/PL0610019I.htm

Offering incentives for emigrants to return
The other set of objectives aims at devising incentives to encourage emigrants to return to Poland. In order to achieve this aim, the ISP recommends the following measures.

Information for potential returning emigrants
The Go and come back website should serve as a channel for disseminating information on living and working conditions at home; consulates and embassies should be given responsibility to supply information; and special units should be created in state labour offices for returning emigrants.

Assistance in job seeking and business start-up
Initiatives under this heading include: using the Go and come back website to post job offers; removing procedural barriers hampering recognition of employment abroad for social security purposes; simplifying procedures concerning business registration and relocation; establishing a venture capital fund to provide support for returning emigrants willing to invest in Poland; and introducing new legal measures enabling transfer of non-registered income, for example from work in the shadow economy.

System of housing funds
A system of housing funds should be created to offer saving programmes for housing purposes.
Incentives for selected professional categories to return
Professional groups prone to emigration should be offered incentives to return and/or to discourage them from leaving: for example, medical professionals working in public healthcare should be given pay increases, and 'flexicurity' should be promoted for nurses in order to combine flexible work options with job security. Student grants at medical universities could be offered on the condition of the beneficiaries remaining and working in the country for a given period (e.g. five years) after graduation. Moreover, young researchers should be provided with increased funding for research and development

Well thats half the point Sean, if there was some kind of structured approach by the government to attract new companies and start up business' to Poland then I think Poland would sky rocket. It has great HR, but the majority of it not doing the right things.