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Polish man tries to sell British mother into white slave trade


OP Harry 81 | 13,362    
6 Aug 2017  #31

Probably a strong accent and limited language skills in, say, French.

I was wondering if it was some kind of Polish pride.

Easier to lie if questioned.

I'm wondering if he thought what he was doing was that wrong. The number of Polish people getting involved in this kind of thing (although most of the reports we read about are labour as compared to the sex trade in this case) strongly suggests that there are a number of people from this country who think that those actions are acceptable. I wonder when that will finally change.

jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #32

I'm wondering if he thought what he was doing was that wrong

I'm sure there was an element of that. Perhaps he didn't realise how seriously kidnapping is taken by the authorities, or though he could lie his way out of it.
mafketis 16 | 5,701    
6 Aug 2017  #33

The number of Polish people getting involved in this kind of thing

Generalize much? This was one Polish-British member of a Russo-Serbian gang.... (whose ring seeems to have consisted of.... this one case).

It's a terrible case and I feel for the young woman and hope she gets the therapy she needs and financial compensation but it says nothing about the state of slavery in Poland and it's outrageous that you're suggesting this type of thing is somehow typical. If anything it says more about the corrupting influence of the UK....
jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #34

whose ring seeems to have consisted of.... this one case

The gang (assuming Paweł Herba was really part of it and not just a wannabe) have quite a presence on the Dark Web.
Crow 145 | 6,901    
6 Aug 2017  #35

Police said he had confessed to the kidnapping,

See, he is honest man. My respect to brat Pawel for admitting this terrible incident. Indeed. But why hide, why not admit? He should be considered to be victim of deformed British society. He and just then that woman. He is corrupted but honest and his soul would be saved. Even his body, if Polish diplomacy pull him out from that malevolent Britain, he may even have chance to redeem himself and awake from that state of amok lunacy that got him in Britain. God help him

When come out from jail, come to Serbia brate. We need you on Kosovo for great brawl for Slavic cause
mafketis 16 | 5,701    
6 Aug 2017  #36

assuming Paweł Herba was really part of it and not just a wannabe

This case has 'wannabe loser bungler' written all over it (fortunately for the victim).
jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #37

Indeed. I suspect he only confessed because he knew he wouldn't get away with it. This bit (from the Mirror article) is chilling:
"It is not known whether he assaulted her sexually, though he told a court in Milan that he had been "physical". With no buyers and his accomplice gone, Herba decided to release her after seven days."
Crow 145 | 6,901    
6 Aug 2017  #38

Only good God knows for the pain of our brat Pawel, who as a young Slavic being finished among inexhaustible variety of the monstrous and degenerate human shapes from all over the English colonial worlds, among children of evil father and even worse mother, that were all thrown up by the whim of English lords and lovingly nurtured along and brought to full, abominable soup by the daemonic forces of western European magnates. So, no wonder that proportions of malicious cunning and evil things that encountered our brat Pawel Herba, enveloped and confused him.

I shall pray for Pawel, for mercy for him and for salvation of his body and soul, for his as sooner as possible coming back from Britain, that morbid volcano of sin.
Ironside 46 | 8,812    
6 Aug 2017  #39

I just wonder what those three British/commie clowns in Poland are trying to prove by their approach to the case? I kind of guess. Are they simply too retarded to know that this kind of a primitive bulling doesn't work. Maybe they do know but they're just having fun.

I would even hazard a guess that it does more harm than good.
Think is they enjoy themselves immensely slandering, generalising and by being all that they claim to stand against.

Threads like this shows the real people behind the mask. All those commies with their big talk and allegedly good ideology are nothing else but a bullies with a totalitarian mind-set who hate people, freedom and democracy. They would like to rule and govern over a populace with a brutal force.

Often they're riddled with mental issues like a mangy dog with fleas. It is not unusual but in their case their coping mechanism must be skewed most likely due to their self centred, selfish nature that goes in par with insecurities and an overgrown ego. Those are oft (not always) relates to some traumas from childhood. Doesn't have to be anything drastic ( can be), more that a dysfunctional family. Being a child of a Single parent, being the only child to the older well to do parents and so on.

@ maf...as I always say at any given time half of the population of Poland is hiding its Jewish roots from the other half....
That is kind of a racist statement maf. Do you believe that your DNA's composition determine your religion, ethnicity and civilization?
Anyway what do you know - an expert in eugenics you are not.

flogged to death aboard the British slave ship

They're commies, they don't care about this kind of rhetoric. Probably they agree with you that Brits are/were an oppressive/ aggressive immperlistc patriarchy.

However (they think) today Britain redeeming itself - gay marriages, no religion (bar Muslims) abortion for all and sundry, PC in action, racial diversity, limited (NO) free speech, hate crimes fighting racism. Those are for them a visible post along which a progress march, those are forerunners of the future commie paradise/ utopia. Revolution on the march (Mayakovski).
Roger5 2 | 1,476    
6 Aug 2017  #40

I just popped in to see how Polonius Forum was doing. Crow's comment reminded me why I don't bother with this ridiculous forum much anymore.
Ironside 46 | 8,812    
6 Aug 2017  #41

One more Polish life destroyed in malformed Britain.

What is to talk about? If he done it. If that is really him not somebody who got paid to take the blame, just hang him by the neck. Crow your Serbian BS is out of place.
Bieganski 17 | 920    
6 Aug 2017  #42

They're commies, they don't care about this kind of rhetoric.

True. They only feign concern when the ends justifies the means.

As communists their ideology is paramount and therefore life itself is cheap and expendable (but not their own).

Adhering to their Cultural Marxist playbook they are happy to use identity politics to try and falsely categorize Poles as criminals. Pointing to one purported Pole committing an alleged crime in another country as somehow representative of 38 million Poles is right up their alley.

Of course there is no denying that if the accused kidnapper were Jewish the OP would never have started this thread at all.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #43

I just popped in to see how Polonius Forum was doing

Basically yes.It's news, it's relevant to Poland, but all you see is people trying to distract from the actual news reports about Paweł Herba and the crimes he's admitted to.
spiritus 67 | 657    
6 Aug 2017  #44

Of course, it also happens the other way around where Poles are also subjected to despicable people.

A vile example of Muslims using Poles as slaves. The criminal in question is Muslim.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-38588269
jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #45

Poles are also

Yes - who knows what Paweł Herba was up to back home.
Ironside 46 | 8,812    
6 Aug 2017  #46

Of course there is no denying that if the accused kidnapper were Jewish the OP would never have started this thread at all.

Jewish, black, a gay (LGBT...whatever else) or a Muslim. Taboo as they're (according to the commie/progressive dogma) a minority. Oppressed by the white Christian European civilization - an ominous patriarchy.

So it is perfectly all right in their books to tar with the same brush tens of millions the law abiding citizens/Poles because of some pesky criminals. That is just as low as it gets. They're low despicable people - those commies.

True. They only feign concern when the ends justifies the means.

Very true, they don't really care about people, they oft hate them or despise them. Instead they love humanity - whatever it is. As an abstract is hard to define it.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #47

minority

No minorities involved here, I-S. A young woman was kidnapped. Hopefully the kidnapper Paweł Herba, will be punished appropriately. I wonder if he'll try to get a transfer from an Italian jail back to Poland.
Ironside 46 | 8,812    
6 Aug 2017  #48

No minorities involved here, I-S.

How can you be so sure? After all that is a general info released to the public and we know he had accomplices at least one.

Let put it aside. My point about minorities - IF he would have been a Muslim or a gay or a black man - the OP would have never stared this thread.

Ah, save me the usual excuse - that is a Polish forum and hence.....it doesn't wash and you know it.
Harry wouldn't dare to write in the manner he did here about a Jew or anyone who is considered an oppressed minority.

Hopefully the kidnapper Paweł Herba, will be punished appropriately

Has anyone contested that part? Sure, if he is guilty hang him by the neck or balls, by all means. I would do it myself.

YOU debating with the voices in your head if you think for a moment that anyone is condoning criminals in here. Your premise is false from the start. Wanna apologize?

wonder if he'll try to get a transfer from an Italian jail back to Poland.

I honestly don't care. In Poland there is no capital punishment - more the pity.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #49

How can you be so sure?

A clear example of 'whatiffery' there, I-S about the Polish kidnapper and his so-far unknown accomplice, who could be from anywhere, Rzeszów, Rome, Rwanda, Rotterdam or Rutland. I suppose his accomplice could be a one-legged black Muslim transgender lesbian, however there's no suggestion that s/he was. Herba isn't part of a minority group so far as anyone knows (and no difference if he is or if he isn't, and no information about Paweł Herba's victim.

Muddy thinking there, I-S.

Has anyone contested that part?

He has admitted guilt.

I expect his trial will be publicised in detail and hopefully well-reported here.
gregy741 3 | 1,148    
6 Aug 2017  #50

strange story...all this effort and risk involved and he released her cus she got child..weird bloke...he said he belonged to some internet sect,does this sect exist?
jon357 69 | 13,499    
6 Aug 2017  #51

he said he belonged to some internet sect,does this sect exist?

Apparently yes, though it's unclear still whether Paweł Herba was part of the gang or just using their name as a smokescreen.
mafketis 16 | 5,701    
7 Aug 2017  #52

it's unclear still whether Paweł Herba was part of the gang

He was probably trying to join and didn't realize that the first rule of the Black Death is that you never talk about the Black Death..

If this is an example of extreme Polish criminality then we can all rest a little more easily....

That is kind of a racist statement maf

Angry reactions (by a few people) to what it is clear a joke (to anyone with a culturally literate brain)* is kind of the point.

The main idea is that lots more people in Poland have some percentage of jewish roots that they are either unaware of or actively try to hide/deny.

Jew and Pole are not really discrete categories the way that in russophone culture 'Russian' and 'Jew' are (the idea that Pole and Jew are mutually exclusive is probably lingering Russian/Soviet influence and not part of original Polish culture.

*it's a riff on the old joke about the DDR - that at any given time half the population was spying on the other half, people
Crow 145 | 6,901    
7 Aug 2017  #53

What is to talk about? If he done it. If that is really him not somebody who got paid to take the blame, just hang him by the neck.

Oh, no, no. I am absolutely sure that good lawyer can prove that Pawel Herba represent victim of deformed state of values within British society.

Crow your Serbian BS is out of place.

What Serbian BS? When I read your posts about Britain, I see, I`m quite moderate.

as I always say at any given time half of the population of Poland is hiding its Jewish roots from the other half....

as I would merely inform you, more then a half of the population of today`s Croatia are Catholic Serbs who were forcible converted to Catholicism and other part of Croatian population are old Catholics, also Serbs. Now, in Croatia all hide their origin, some from themselves and some from themselves and from others. Its like public secret, semi-secret public agreement under pressure of overwhelming fear, truly twisted situation. That is why Croatia exist as totalitarian society, for all knows and understand that Serbs are forbidden there and they are thankful (for now!) for they survived in the form of Croats. Its public paranoia of immeasurable proportions and agreement between western Europe, Vatican and USA hold that population in such a state of things. For how long, only God knows
OP Harry 81 | 13,362    
7 Aug 2017  #54

Of course there is no denying that if the accused kidnapper were Jewish the OP would never have started this thread at all.

I haven't seen any reports which mention the religion of the man who has confessed to attempting to sell this woman into the white slave trade. Please feel free to share any you have.

Your statement raises a number of questions. The first is why are you attempting, again, to minimise the vile crimes of this man? He is not an accused anything, he has already confessed; he is not a kidnapper, he took the woman in order to sell her into the slave trade as a sex slave. The second is why do you think that a Polish man cannot at the same time be Jewish? First you try to excuse the inexcusable by claiming that the man is only accused of a crime less serious than those he has already confessed to and then you post yet more of the racism that has long characterised your posts. How lucky that your vile personality in no way represents the average Pole (or, to be fair, the average person from your own country).

A vile example of Muslims using Poles as slaves. The criminal in question is Muslim.

Interesting parallel there, given the way that some Muslims react the same way as some Poles to people from outside their group saying a bad word (even when completely justified) about a member of their group.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
7 Aug 2017  #55

which mention the religion of the man who has confessed to attempting to sell this woman into the white slave trade

None at all, though the lady in question has given an interview in today's Times about it. She mentioned, by the way and if that's relevant at all, that she's half Polish.

Quite a bit of info in that article. It mentions that there were accomplices, but also raises the question that Paweł Herba may have been personally obsessed with the model. The article also mentions his brother.

"Police are investigating whether Mr Herba is part of a sophisticated gang or a fantasist infatuated with Ms Ayling."
"He said that police were looking for at least one accomplice but refused to comment on a report in La Repubblica that police wanted to interview Mr Herba's older brother, who is director of a logistics company based in Oldbury."

thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/i-was-kidnapped-by-sex-gang-says-model-t06gnfx9w
OP Harry 81 | 13,362    
7 Aug 2017  #56

though the lady in question has given an interview in today's Times about it.

Was it an interview with The Times? I saw something in the Mail (I saw somebody had posted the link on FB, honest!)

She mentioned, by the way and if that's relevant at all, that she's half Polish.

Strange how often it's Polish or part Polish people who are the victims of Polish criminals in the UK. There was that poor woman whose boyfriend and his mate buried her alive, she s Polish and so are they. And that poor sod in Northern Ireland whose wife stamped on his head until he was dead, he was Polish and so is she - although she clearly prefer living in the UK given that she opposed the British government's attempt to have her deported.
mafketis 16 | 5,701    
7 Aug 2017  #57

Strange how often it's Polish or part Polish people who are the victims of Polish criminals in the UK

That is the usual case of criminal immigrants - they prey on and/or attack their own first.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
7 Aug 2017  #58

That is the usual case of criminal immigrants

This is true - water always finds its lowest level. We don't yet know if Lukasz Paweł Herba knew she was half-Polish when he kidnapped her (or whether she felt that was a big part of her identiy or not - she's only given one interview so far).

There's a suggestion he was obsessed with her beforehand, though again, it's very early to say. The police have seized his and his brother's computers so time will no doubt tell.

His parents, Hieronim, and Lucyna Herba of Szczeciń claimed in the Daily Mail to be in the dark about it, that he was a nice son etc, but of course that's normal enough. Neighbours of theirs did say that he travelled around Europe.

His facebook page (I had a look) shows that he claims to like guns, atheism, beer and cars. Not unusual for a young man.
mafketis 16 | 5,701    
7 Aug 2017  #59

There's a suggestion he was obsessed with her beforehand

like I said all the evidence so far points to him being a sad loser who went wrong and should spend a very long time in prison

the evidence in general is that Poles are just never very adept at organized crime... even the famed Pruszków gang was small potatoes compared to other countries (good for Poland!) and the worst Polish crime are random one offs that say nothing systematic about Polish society (as sad as that makes some people).
jon357 69 | 13,499    
7 Aug 2017  #60

Agreed. The website for the 'Black Death' thing has existed for a while. Whether it was just his creepy fantasy or whether it's a real one is another story. His excuses about a Romanian gang seem lame - doubtless it will all come out in the wash.




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