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Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last.


OP pawian 161 | 9,971
20 Mar 2012 #392
No, just Lithuanian complex of inferiority. :):):)

Russians started questioning the territorial integrity of Lithuania.

Signum temporis?

In short: Russian paper suggests that contemporary Lithuania is 1/3 larger than before the war. It was granted lands from the Soviet Union and has kept them till today. It is unfair. Besides, Lithuania is described as the third partitioner of Poland 1939.

Question to Lithuanians: where are you going to establish your government in exile? Warsaw? Krakow? Or Wrocław?

Again, road signs with double names of settlements, Polish and Lithuanian, have been painted over in the area inhabitted by Lithuanian majority in northern Poland.

It is a pity that Polish Lithuanians are paying for the stupid policy of the Lithuanian government which forbids Polish names on street and road signs, against European law.

Lithuanians in Lithuania proper, remember, when Russians invade you , I won `t move a fekking finger in your defence, like my ancestors did so many times in the past. :):):):)

]Punsk, Poland[
Gatorius - | 1
27 Jan 2014 #393
Look, I'm Lithuanians will never let you have Polish surenames writing. We dont have these letters in our alphabet. You want all Lithuanians to learn spelling letters that we dont know and we dont need. That is unfair. Polish people have NO MAJORITY in any region so stop spoiling.. Max 30% of popularion in separate regions are polish people, near board with Poland. Talking to you "Pavian" you are saying lie in many of your post. Of course 30% is quite a lot.

It's a pitty that Lithuanian politicians had promissed more that they can do, but Lithuanian nation will speak lithuanian language. It is also true, that polish minority have the best rights, they are threated the same well as other people. They are lithuanians first of all with lithuanian pasports and those people nationality are polish. So first of all, they MUST learn lithuanian language, in this case they dont need polish street names. If they didint learned lithuanian Language by many years, maybe they have to return to Poland. But actually there are not much people that are requesting such a things. Mostlynpolish people understand that hey live in Lithuania, and they must understand lithuanian language, and by they words, they dont need street names in polish.

Pawian.. According to your post 29 may 2012.. Only stupid man can write such a stupid thing. Vilnius has never been a part of Poland.. Exept that time when Poland occupied a part of Lithuanian teritory. But it was many yers ago.. We are trying to look forwrd.. And people like you Pawian are spoilng and disinforming people. If Vilnius was a part of ..Poland than please show me real historical source, but not a stupid internet site where it is written. Only a stupid radical man can expect that a part of independent country will be separated.

And for the last I would like to show how Polish respects Lithuanians.. And now think.. When we see such a things, how can you exect us to be generous to your nation.

delfi.lt/news/daily/crime/nufilmuota-kaip-lenkai-lietuvos-veliava -vale-sniega-nuo-j-pilsudskio-kapo.d?id=63604934

Politicians wont agree to make these changes in Lithuania, as they will never be ellected again. We are not going to chandge our alphabet. Please understand and respect other opinion as we respect yours in your country.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
15 Feb 2019 #394
It is high time to kick some Lithuanian asses.

8 years have passed since the first post, a few things have changed, a few remained. E.g.,

1. The refusal to acknowledge the Polish spelling of Polish minority`s surnames and names of streets and settlements.
2. The refusal to solve the problem with land/property ownership.
3. The obstruction over the Możejki oil refinery owned by Poles who bought it for hard cash to save Lithuania from Russian domination.


No 3 has been solved, No 1 and 2 are still a problem, but Poles don`t press so much, they are patiently waiting for political changes in Lithuania after 2019 autumn elections.

rp.pl/Polityka/309139881-Polska-Litwa-Tylko-Pilsudski-jeszcze-dzieli.html

The economic cooperation is growing, both governments support each other in the European forum.

We are not going to chandge our alphabet. Please understand and respect other opinion as we respect yours in your country.

Yes, it seems that Poles have to give Lithuanians still more time to understand certain things. Lithuanian minority in Poland enjoys full right, including town names and surnames, so is it strange that Poles demand the same for their compatriots in Lithuania? It is so obvious that any discussion is a waste of time.
Shitonya Brits
15 Feb 2019 #395
It is high time to kick some Lithuanian asses.

1. The refusal to acknowledge the Polish spelling of Polish minority`s surnames and names of streets and settlements.

Spoken like a true nationalist.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,342
15 Feb 2019 #396
What a strange name you have shitonya.......doesn't sound very Polish to me.....
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
15 Feb 2019 #397
Spoken like a true nationalist.

:):) Thanks. But you are wrong.

Both quotes come from 2010, the first reflects an opinion of a frustrated Polish patriot, angered by Lithuanian unfair approach, the other is a statement of a fact by a neutral commentator. :) Don`t let emotions carry you away, please.
Shitonya Brits
15 Feb 2019 #398
Hey Milo, people say the same thing about Killion Munyama, John Godson, Emmanuel Olisadebe, Izu Ugonoh, and Thomas Kelati just to name a few.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,342
15 Feb 2019 #399
Firstly,I don't see anything funny about those names.
Secondly,I never heard of any of them.....
Shitonya Brits
15 Feb 2019 #400
Go look them up Milo.

They're real men and real Poles.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
15 Feb 2019 #401
Secondly,I never heard of any of them.....

John Godson, of African origin, was a member of Polish Parliament. Olisadebe, also African, was a player in a Polish football club.
Shitonya Brits
15 Feb 2019 #402
They are not African. They all have Polish passports. They are Polish. They live in the EU they are Europeans.

People with Lithuanian passports are Lithuanian.

End of.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
15 Feb 2019 #403
End of.

No, not yet. :)

They are not African. They all have Polish passports. They live in the EU

I didn`t say they are still African.:)
On top of that, John Godson doesn`t live in the EU. :) He came back to Africa. :)

Now it is the end.
Shitonya Brits
15 Feb 2019 #404
John Godson can live wherever he likes. But he is Polish and has the Polish passport to prove it.

Poland is in the EU so he is still European.

Mic drop!
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
16 Feb 2019 #405
I never claimed he isn`t .:)
My advice: read the replies carefully,
Shitonya Brits
16 Feb 2019 #406
I read what you wrote. You are a nationalist living in denial about it.

No matter what you try to walk back now from what you wrote years ago you are still bothered about Lithuania.

I take it you don't live there and don't pay taxes and can't vote either. The can decide for themselves so live and let live.

You also threw out "African origins" and being "back in Africa" when talking about real Polish men. What you were trying to point out has nothing to do with anything. Your words are microaggressive dog-whistles used by nationalist to suggest some Poles aren't really Poles.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,342
16 Feb 2019 #407
I remember Olisadebe now.....that was a joke how the Polish FA got him in.Not a bad player though,but not good enough to save a dreadful Polish team.And I don't think he was ever fully accepted as Polish by Polish fans,despite his Polish wife and Polish passport.
Shitonya Brits
16 Feb 2019 #408
What are you talking about? Emmanuel Olisadebe is a Pole who represented Poland on the National Team! He personifies Poland! He is Poland!

You can't say that.

If needs to renew his Polish passport the Polish government swings into action.

You can't say that either!
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
16 Feb 2019 #409
SB, thanks for a laugh, I will save on doctors. :)

Generally, what you said is a pack of nonsense (which I might discuss later to have more fun) except one sentence:

you try to walk back now from what you wrote years ago

Yes, guys, I revived the thread with my words written 8 years ago to show the contrast between my past and present attitude. Then I was angry at how Lithuanians mistreat their Poles. Today I am more mature and realise they must cope with their own complexes and it takes time. Ok, I am patient and it seems current Polish leaders are too.

That`s good because a much more ominous danger is looming in the East. The Kremlin has decided to restore the empire they lost in late 1980s. In result, all neighboring independent countries which once belonged to it are under threat: Lithuania, Ukraine, Poland, the rest of Baltics. It is natural we must keep together to show our unity and solidarity - Poles must stand by Lithuanians and Ukrainians so that they don`t lose hope. Only united will we be able to resist the imperial ambitions of the Kremlin.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,718
17 Feb 2019 #410
they are patiently waiting for political changes in Lithuania after 2019 autumn elections.

Hang on, aren't Tomaszewski's goons part of the government there?
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
17 Feb 2019 #411
Sorry, I don`t know what you mean but if you mention the government, then I must tell you I was talking about Lithuanian President who is said to have blocked the changes.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
23 Feb 2019 #412
During his recent visit in Lithuania, Polish President made it clear that Poland still expects the rights of the Polish minority in Lithuania will be respected just like Lithuanian`s in Poland.
Shitonya Brits
23 Feb 2019 #413
Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite speaks several languages fluently (including Polish) and sets the example for minorities to assimilate into Lithuanian society.

There are larger Polish minority populations in other countries especially English speaking ones like America, Britain and Australia.

What next, Poland demands Polish language courses, signage and alphabet changes to accommodate Polish speakers in these countries too?

Larf, larf, larf!
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
23 Feb 2019 #414
and sets the example for minorities to assimilate into Lithuanian society.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. If you studied history more, which is probably too big a sacrifice, or at least if you had read this thread from the beginning, you would know that Lithuanians did their best, including usage of force, to keep their Polish minority when they had a chance to leave for Poland in 1950s. Acting so, Lithuanians took on themselves the full responsibility for the well being of Lithuanian Poles. Isn`t it simple?

Besides, why do you turn a blind eye to my words which I repeated a few times already? Lithuanian Poles can only dream about the rights which Polish Lithuanians enjoy in Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_minority_in_Poland

E.g.,
There are Lithuanian-exclusive schools in Puńsk, both on primary and secondary level, schools with Lithuanian-language as a teaching language in Sejny, and schools with Lithuanian as a foreign language in the wider region are common.[13] There are 17 Lithuanian schools, attended by over 700 students

What next, Poland demands Polish language courses, signage and alphabet changes to accommodate Polish speakers in these countries too?

Wrong argument, because you are talking about immigrants while the subject matter is native inhabitants born in L.

I really don`t understand why you are still writing such childish things here.
Spike31 2 | 884
23 Feb 2019 #415
I agree with @Pawian here. Poles are native to those lands.
Shitonya Brits
23 Feb 2019 #416
If you studied history more

If you understood history at all then you would have mentioned how the Polish language and culture sidelined Lithuanian during the now obsolete Commonwealth. You would have mentioned that during the 1920s the Lithuanian government protested Poland's annexation of the Vilnius region.

Lithuanian got sidelined again after the Soviets annexed it and made Russian the official language.

So yeah, it's understandable they only want one official language. No different than most other countries around the world.

But hey, nationalists living in denial always have selective narratives when using history to indoctrinate others.

You're living in the past anyway with your has-been opinions about Lithuanians and Jews.

It's the current year!

The definition of what it means to be Polish is rapidly changing and Poland will soon will be another BAME region like the rest of Europe.

Face reality! Millions of Polish women living abroad and in Poland are having numerous kids with anybody from Turks, to Pakistanis, and Africans.

Do you really think Polish language accommodation in Lithuania and rebuilding theme-park shtetls to impress Jews are ever mentioned in their homes? Bwahaha!

Nah mate, they're too busy getting in on in the bedroom! Demographics is destiny! And judging from your posts you are the one who needs to integrate! ;)

Lithuanian Poles...Polish Lithuanians

These are social constructs which breed enmity, alienation and a crises in identity. They don't reflect Poland today or Poland tomorrow.

It's the current year! Stop trying to recreate ancient history!

There are 17 Lithuanian schools, attended by over 700 students

Yawn!

They need to integrate into Polish society and prepare for the rapid changes underway. So just pull the plug on these schools. Lithuania would have no room to complain. They got their own demographic decline to fix anyway. That will be done through immigration from high-birth rate countries in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. If they have to accommodate the Polish language and alphabet then they will have to do the same for all other languages too. That costs too much money. Lithuanians are playing it smart by having one official language and leaving other languages to be a personal choice at personal expense.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
23 Feb 2019 #417
You're living in the past anyway

Yes, because I was born in the past and have always been interested in it and will be till my last hour. :):) I can`t help it and you must understand it, so please, don`t get so emotional when I write about Lithuanians or Jews or whatever which you don`t like.

As for the rest of your post, you are right to have your opinions, I will rather stick to mine. Thank you.
Ironside 48 | 9,824
24 Feb 2019 #418
Yawn!

Indeed. Enough of your trolling.


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