equaly outraged by Israels invasion and ethnic cleansing of Lebanon
I never wrote about Syria for the very good reason that I had no idea who the players were or who I might support if I did have a good grasp of the situation.
I checked out of the Israeli-Palestinian issue years ago for a number of reasons. On the surface, there are two groups fighting for land and neither wants to co-exist. There's one way that that kind of conflict ends and stupid ideas about 'two states' or a 'single secular state' aren't going to change that. Whether it takes two weeks or two centuries one side is going to effectively expel the other. Hizbollah (aka 'the party of god) is just an extension of that and nothing I can say or do is going to change that: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
1. Yanukovych was removed without constitutional impeachment procedure. 2. Armed groups and street pressure played a significant role. 3. The whole change of political power occurred outside normal constitutional processes.
You know what Americans say: if it walks like a coup and it quacks like a coup, well...
The other oligarchs who were mad at Yanukovych stealing too much. they used the far right nationalists as their foot soldiers and politicians. The West went along and supported as long as Ukraine turned away from Russia.
The nationalist went too far in their anti-russian policies and caused parts of eastern Ukraine to secede. an uprising by the citizens if you will.
The whole change of political power occurred outside normal constitutional processes.
All of that is true... but there's more!
The leaders of the Maidan (Yatsenyuk, Klitschko, Tyahnibok, Timoshenko), Yanukovych, and the EU signed an agreement on February 21st.
Putin even blessed this agreement, though it was clear he wasn't happy to do so.
The agreement envisioned the following:
1) Restoration of the 2004 constitution.
2) A national unity government.
3) Early elections by the end of 2014.
4) Yanukovych remaining president during the transition.
5) Protesters leaving occupied buildings and disarming.
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The Maidan leaders came back to the Square later that evening, and revealed the agreement to the crowd of baboons gathered there.
Immediately it became clear that the Maidan "leaders" didn't control anything at all. They were simply perpetual opportunists that had been cycling in and out of government for the past 23 years, and decided once again that they could use the wave of popular unrest to ride into power.
Nationalist speakers started climbing onto the stage, and demanding Yanukovich's resignation by the next morning. They threatened further violent action if this did not happen.
The spineless Maidan leaders got behind these calls, despite earlier that same day negotiating an agreement for a transitional period.
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Meanwhile, the specialized police unit (Berkut) that clashed with the protestors for weeks - simply withdrew in disgust.
They were disgusted that the protestors all received amnesties, despite earlier throwing Molotov cocktails at the police, throwing pavement blocks at them, and shooting at them from high caliber rifles.
They saw the writing on the wall - that they would be blamed for everything - and withdrew.
Once Berkut withdrew, the city center belonged to the protestors.
By morning, Yanukovich was fleeing.
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Long story short - if the Maidan leaders showed some spine, and actually fulfilled their agreed upon obligations, instead of being led by a group of crazies that represented the tiniest minority of voices in Ukraine - all could have been avoided.
Putin saw immediately that these are completely irresponsible people that cannot be trusted to fulfill any agreement whatsoever. This set in motion the events that unfolded shortly after in Crimea, in March - as Putin rushed to secure the Black Sea Fleet HQ.
The Berkut story is the most outrageous one to come out of that period, and really the key to understanding what happened.
During the negotiations between Yanukovich and the Maidan leaders - he agreed early on the morning of February 20th that there would be no forceful storming of the Maidan encampments by law enforcement.
Nonetheless, at 9 am shootings began on the square. As a result of the shootings, up to 40 civilians died, and approximately a dozen members of law enforcement.
Immediately, the leaders of the Maidan claimed that these were the work of SBU special forces, or special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, or even Russian special forces.
They claimed that they were strategically positioned on various rooftops, and given the order to shoot at both civilians AND at police. The reason - the police were behaving passively, and it was necessary to enrage them and thus provoke them into active confrontation with the protestors.
Yanukovich, and the relevant officials - all immediately denied ever issuing such orders. Not least, because it made zero practical sense - given the wider negotiations context.
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Anyway, by election time in May of 2014, every candidate had promised that investigating the case of "The Maidan Snipers" would be given top priority, and that the guilty would be punished.
By the summer, once Poroshenko was in power, strange things started happening. A lot of the case files disappeared. A lot evidence, including spent shell casings also disappeared.
Various marginals were going on radio and tv and proudly boasting that they had been shooting at cops during the protests.
Finally, the MP in charge of the investigation, announced that it's possible that the first shots were fired by unnamed protester groups.
That's pretty much as far as things got, before they ground to a complete halt.
It's 2026 now - and still nobody knows what happened that day. The investigation is dead.
Put two and two together - and tell me - who shot at the people? Why does it take 12 years+ to get to the facts?
The realistic policy is to oppose r*SSia with all resources rather than be distracted by other issues.
No, is to oppose Russia with an Ukrainian proxy as cheaply a possible. Sending money , privileges and whining about their internal policies is pointless. ----
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Told you, unfortunately in general Poles are dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to politicks. ----
whining about their internal policies is pointless.
You have leverage.
You can:
1) Block weapons shipments
2) Block EU grants
3) Permanently delay EU accession
4) Suspend migrant benefits
5) Potentially even suspend the Schengen access
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Later, once they join the EU, you won't have most of these levers. They'll have a voice equal to yours.
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I see that Poles are complaining that despite huge armament transfers, millions of refugees, and the logistical capacity provided - Poland doesn't get the same respect as America, or France, or Germany.
This is true.
Ukrainians don't view Poles as equally important to those other players, despite Poland arguably committing more pro-rata.
Out of this situation there are no easy "exits". It's very foolish what Zelensky is doing.
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It's hurting millions of normal people. Over the past 5 years thousands of Poles became married to Ukrainian women. There are many children now, that belong to both countries. Many school age Ukrainians received their entire education in Poland, and know Poland much better than their home country.
What's important is not to hurt these innocent people while the governments argue against each other.
I see that I got two upvotes and one downvote over the two posts this morning.
I hope that the retard that downvoted me is Miloslaw. In that case - I'm not upset - since we all understand the difficulties under which Monsieur Miloslaw has to suffer and do his work.
d leadership died tragically young - even more have followed in the current war
That the first generation of eastern Ukrainian secessionists were murdered illustrates that Putin did not have control and it was a bottom up revolution, they got idealistic about it all and in ruskiland that's a paddling. I'm not denying that they swapped the witch for the b*tch.
we all understand the difficulties under which Monsieur Miloslaw has to suffer and do his work
We do indeed. Milo's approach and attitude is the best example of how ideological assumptions about the superiority of liberal western democracy have been shaping the widespread narratives of imminent Russian decline ("Russia is f*cked", and all that) for the last 4-5 years.
I blame the sharp fall of scientific research and academic contacts with Russia after 2014. Where there is no direct knowledge, there appears speculation, wishful thinking and general mental retardation. Milo is the poster boy of those tendencies.
No, it's not just "a few people getting worked up."
According to a poll by SW Research for Onet for majority of Poles Zelensky's decision made a negative impact on their view of Polish-Ukrainian relations:
Did the decision of president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to name a Ukrainian unit Heroes of UPA impact your view of Polish-Ukrainian relations in a negative way?:
I just read those two long posts of yours and saw no links. All of this is your writing, so how am I supposed to know it's "true"? I caught you lying and manipulating many times already, so give us some credible links to back up what you wrote.
Btw, I think in all of this crap it would be good to remember about the ultimate Ukrainian heros - the Righteous ones who were risking and often losing their lives to save Poles from the ethnic cleansing:
it would be good to remember about the ultimate Ukrainian heros - the Righteous ones who were risking and often losing their lives to save Poles
Exactly!
It is very important not to let the banderist retards close to the government circles and those who share their ideology influence our attitude to the Ukrainian nation as a whole. Also, let's remember that since 1945 until early 1950s the main group of people murdered by UPA were Ukrainians themselves (thousands of victims). It was enough that the bandits suspected someone of cooperating with the Soviets and entire families were slaughtered. To even think that those blood thirsty animals who murdered Jews, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians are hailed as heroes in today's Ukraine is mind boggling.
Hating Ukrainians because of UPA would be as idiotic as hating Russians because of NKVD. Let's direct our anger towards those who cherish and honour the bandits today, not the ordinary decent folks.
ade a negative impact on their view of Polish-Ukrainian relations:
Does it really matter? In my opinion it doesn't matter as much as we like to think. We can see politicians of both major lame parties ignoring it to their heath content. Verbal stern rebuttals are there to address concerns of their constituency and are all for show and have zero impact on Kiev. --- @Bobko I know it, Hence it annoys me, there many way that we can make Ukrainian oligarchy and government face consequences of F with Poland. Yet, they do nothing. They are perfect doormats. Sorry, they do something, they whine which make ALL OF US look pathetic.
