Eh... no worthy opponents standing up for banderites on this board anymore. :(
Pawian, you alcoholic vegetable gardener - where are you?
Pawian, you alcoholic vegetable gardener - where are you?
Lech Wałęsa: Zelensky insulted me!
self-righteous seething
Self-righteous anger is one of the most addictive emotions out there. The more you indulge the more you actively seek out supply....
Shut up, Maf.
Either argue like a man or f*ck off.
Either argue like a man or f*ck off.
argue like a man
I tried that, you're not interested in that. You're only interested in emoting...
I tried that
Not very successfully.
You're only interested in emoting...
I gave a coherent, calm and commonsensical reply to your statement about Ukrainian pov on UPA and your question about the difference between the actions of UPA and AK. Nothing emotional about it.
Sure, I did ask you not to be more retarded than absolutely necessary but you are here long enough to realise that "retard" is a kind of a term of endearment for me, so stop pouting.
For denying one of the aims of SMO, namely denazification of Ukraine which - it turns out - was a valid concern?
It doesn't matter if it was one of the aims - it wasn't a good enough reason to invade a country. And if Bobko, Velund and other Putinists still think it was, then "destalinisation" of RuSSia would be a "good enough" reason to invade RuSSia also :)
I am merely saying that the worship of nazi past in Ukraine is a valid concern.
Not valid enough to invade a country and kill people.
They have a different perspective.... imagine that....
Yeah, just like the Putinist RuSSians have a "different perspective" on what the Soviet Union did. It's called the "whitewashing of history." And it is definitely a problem for mutual relations between countries, no matter if it's Polish-RuSSian or Polish-Ukrainian relations.
The attitude towards Ukrainians in Poland has been getting worse. It has a lot to do with anti-Ukrainian narration of parties like Konfederacja, Braun's party and PiS added to it some too (and the misinformation coming from RuSSian trolls/bots, of course). But all Zelensky did was giving those parties ammunition and he just poured more oil to the fire. Nothing good will come out of this. Completely unnecessary, imho, especially at such a time when Ukraine is in need of outside help and sympathy.
So, my question is - why did Zelensky do it? Was it worth it? What did he gain by this? 🤨
So, my question is - why did Zelensky do it?
To stop the banderists from killing him or at least keep fighting cause him and his mates are stealing all the money
Moreover, I agree with myself! :)
Yourself is very smart - I would agree too - if it was myself.
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But seriously - I've kinda been obsessed with Poland for maybe 10-12 years, but never seen such a huge amount of Polish content in my threads.
Elon must have done something with the algorithm, because my thread is now 60% Poles and Ukrainians hammering away at each other.
I would post a video of me scrolling my thread, but don't know how to upload videos here.
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Torq you should suspend your moratorium on social media, and open up Twitter for an hour.
There's Sikorski there's and Tusk and the Institute of National Memory (both the Ukrainian and Polish ones), and Ukrainian ministers and so on.
Not just "anonymouses" throwing grenades at each other.
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The explosion of dupas on both sides is incredible to witness.
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In the middle of it all, are clueless Shiba Inu dogs from the NAFO movement (Canadian and American mostly), yelling "Slava Ukraine!" and telling Poles to calm down. lol.
my question is - why did Zelensky do it?
He's not a very "deep" thinker.
The way he and his comrades have run the government these past seven years, is how a club promoter or a Hollywood marketing executive would have run things.
Zelensky, Yermak, Shefir, Mindich, Schtillermann, Zuckermann - all came out of that milieu.
For them, what's important is appearances, narrative, hype.
It did wonders in the first years of the war - as these clever Ukrainians demonstrated globally their genius at shaping narratives.
It's falling apart now, under the weight and inertia of the train wreck that the country has become.
Today, a leak was sprung because they glorified fascists. Yesterday, it was Zelensky shielding a friend from a corruption investigation. Tomorrow, it will be the ruination of relations with Poland.
Slowly, slowly, people are realizing they elected a clown that - deep inside - doesn't believe in anything. Not because he is some nihilist - but because the only thing he cares about is his ego.
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Say what you want about Putin, but he's no "showman". Awkward, often can't read the room, and very paranoid - but Putin believes in things sincerely.
the NAFO movement
Never heard of them before... Did some googling and I like them already :)))
they elected a clown that
...kept the country together enough (instead of fleeing) to resist an invasion of a much bigger and powerful country for a few years so far :))))
Sorry, Bobko, but who are you - compared to him? What gives you the right to call him a "clown"?
the only thing he cares about is his ego.
Ah, but Putin's ego doesn't have anything to do with him clutching to power in RuSSia for a quarter of a century? :))))) 🙄
but Putin believes in things sincerely.
xD
What "things"? And how do you know what a power-hungry psychopath really believes in?
Oh, Bobko, Bobko... *sigh* 🙄🤦
Oh also - Zelensky is a Jew.
He should know why it's not advisable to support Banderist swine.
His grandfather, was a decorated hero of the Great Patriotic War - Simeon Ivanovich Zelensky.
He was commander of a mortar platoon first, then commander of a rifle company.
According to Russian state archives:
"Zelensky, with a mortar platoon, suppressed the fire of a mortar battery, two heavy machine guns, and three light machine guns, killing 15 German soldiers and officers near the village of Aleksandrovka. In 1944, he received two Orders of the Red Star, and by the end of the war he had attained the rank of Guards Lieutenant."
Here is a photo of this traitor at the grave of his grandfather, who is probably spinning in his grave:
He should know why it's not advisable to support Banderist swine.
His grandfather, was a decorated hero of the Great Patriotic War - Simeon Ivanovich Zelensky.
He was commander of a mortar platoon first, then commander of a rifle company.
According to Russian state archives:
"Zelensky, with a mortar platoon, suppressed the fire of a mortar battery, two heavy machine guns, and three light machine guns, killing 15 German soldiers and officers near the village of Aleksandrovka. In 1944, he received two Orders of the Red Star, and by the end of the war he had attained the rank of Guards Lieutenant."
Here is a photo of this traitor at the grave of his grandfather, who is probably spinning in his grave:
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What gives you the right to call him a "clown"?
I never called my country a "country of prostitutes".
I never spat on the memory of my ancestors by shaking hands with fascistic pigs.
I don't dress up in childish costumes, when meeting with important people.
I don't do photo shoots with Vogue and Vanity Fair, while my people are dying in trenches.
I don't build multi-million dollar houses with my cronies, while asking a Ukrainian babushka to donate her last 100 Hrivnya for a drone.
I don't provide protection from mobilization, for my large group of actor and musician friends - because "these people were not born to hold a rifle in their hands".
I don't speak in a made up language, which I butcher every time I open my mouth.
I don't do lines of cocaine, before meeting with my soldiers.
Etc, and so on, and so on.
Maybe I am a very small, insignificant, microscopic person - next to the giant that is Zelensky - but I am also not a clown in the same way he is.
Oh also -
Crawl away wormtongue.... your poison isn't wanted here....
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Crawl away wormtongue...
I didn't know it was wrong to draw attention to the fact that Zelensky is sh*tting on the memory of his grandfather and all our grandfathers - collectively.
Zelensky's grandfather - if told there was a band of UPA pigs hiding somewhere in a forest - would order a napalm barrage of the location.
His retard grandson instead hands them out honors and awards.
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The only people that the UPA enjoyed killing as much as Poles - were the Jews.
You really have to be f*cked in the head - as a Jew - to do this to yourself.
He should know why it's not advisable to support Banderist swine.
I suspect he does know and he's doing it for political gain at home. The question is - is it really worth it.
I don't build multi-million dollar houses with my cronies, while asking a Ukrainian babushka to donate her last 100 Hrivnya for a drone.
:D
But that's what Putin does, it's just he asks RuSSian babushkas for the lives of their sons. And yet you don't call him a "clown."
I never spat on the memory of my ancestors by shaking hands with fascistic pigs.
Putin spats on the memory of your ancestors every time he whitewashes or tells others to whitewash the history of the Soviet Union.
I don't dress up in childish costumes, when meeting with important people.
Yeah, Putin can't meet up with important people, because he's wanted by ICC lol 🤦
but I am also not a clown in the same way he is.
No, you most certainly are a clown in your own way ;D Supporting a RuSSian invasion all the way from the comfort of New York and sh1tting on a man in a "childish costume" who stayed to lead a country being invaded by your sick country.
🤮
Crawl away wormtongue.... your poison isn't wanted here....
Yup.
''I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound'' 😁
I didn't know it was wrong to draw attention to the fact that Zelensky
...is still a better man than Putin? :)
You really have to be f*cked in the head (...) to do this to yourself.
Are you talking about the last centuries of RuSSian history? 🙄
Don't throw stones in glass houses, Wormtongue... 🥱
The question is - is it really worth it.
Of course not.
Torq cited some surveys, which indicate that 98% of Ukranians support what Zelensky did.
I am suspicious of this data.
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IMHO - the majority of Ukrainians want nothing to do with Bandera.
This is why Zelensky, a Russian-speaking Jew, from a Russian-speaking oblast and city - got elected over Poroshenko and his "Armia. Język. Wiara." platform.
Zelensky promised normality, and peaceful relations with Russia - instead of eternal war that Poroshenko wanted.
People were repulsed by Poroshenko leaning on nationalist elements for support.
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The problem with Torq's survey, is that 3-5 million of people who should participate in the survey live now in occupied territories, and another 5-7 million in Russia proper (as refugees, "relocates").
That's ~10M Ukrainians that hate the idea of Bandera.
Another 10M plus are living in Europe and North America now, because they wanted to escape the madhouse which is Ukraine.
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A normal, god fearing Ukrainian knows why it's wrong to support Nazis.
The problem is that mostly retards remain in the country.
still a better man than Putin
putin's a..... man? could've fooled me....
Leszek Miller - also a Grima Wormtongue?
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@Bobko, Miller has made a crazy flip to the right side on all kinds of issues in recent time. I don't know if he went bonkers at old age or what it's all about, but he's a little hero of right-wingers now and at odds with the left 🤨
It was a survey of reactions of Ukrainian internet users, I think.
Yeah, but RuSSia did this thing called "full-scale invasion of Ukraine"... What a bummer, huh... 🤦
Ughh... Bleh... Puke... 🤮 You keep Wormtonguing, so don't be surprised that people here respond to you the way they do.
Those people escaped because YOUR F*CKING COUNTRY INVADED THEIR COUNTRY! THEY ESCAPED WAR THAT PUTIN STARTED! 🤦
I don't know... Apparently he was not so different from a Hobbit once... lol
Torq cited some surveys, which indicate that 98% of Ukranians support what Zelensky did.
It was a survey of reactions of Ukrainian internet users, I think.
Zelensky promised normality, and peaceful relations with Russia
Yeah, but RuSSia did this thing called "full-scale invasion of Ukraine"... What a bummer, huh... 🤦
because they wanted to escape the madhouse which is Ukraine.
Ughh... Bleh... Puke... 🤮 You keep Wormtonguing, so don't be surprised that people here respond to you the way they do.
Those people escaped because YOUR F*CKING COUNTRY INVADED THEIR COUNTRY! THEY ESCAPED WAR THAT PUTIN STARTED! 🤦
putin's a..... man? could've fooled me....
I don't know... Apparently he was not so different from a Hobbit once... lol
Those people escaped because
They escaped, because they could.
Under Poroshenko, the visa free regime was introduced.
But you couldn't sit in Europe indefinitely - you had to go home - sooner or later.
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You couldn't sit in Europe, receive what amounts to a salary from the state (albeit small one), be covered entirely for medical care, and have the ability to enroll your kids in school.
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Any normal person - seeing these Nazi parades, seeing mafiosi kicking the door down into prosecutor's offices, ministers extorting entire sectors of the economy - wouldn't want to stay in Ukraine.
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Ukraine is dead - dead as a doornail.
There will never be a country of similar size or vitality in that geographic space - not this century or next.
Only Russia could make them so big. Alone they are nothing.
The country committed suicide.
Tempted by candies and perfumes from the West - they decided to spit in the face of their brothers.
But there is a good outcome here too - others will know that you can't just tell your family to f-off and expect life to be some picnic after.
The question is - is it really worth it.
No it's not, it appears to be an incredibly stupid and tone deaf thing to have done
They escaped, because they could.
Yes, Ukraine isn't the Soviet Union, imagine that lol
But I won't let you hang up on the times of Poroshenko and conveniently avoid the fact that millions of Ukrainians left those lands, because they ESCAPED WAR STARTED BY RUSSIA :)
Ukraine is dead - dead as a doornail.
No, it isn't and it won't be. Take it from a Pole :) Ще не вмерла України...
There will never be a country of similar size or vitality in that geographic space - not this century or next.
Tough. Poland used to be bigger too :)
Another dirty Russian propagandist, but with a strange sounding name:
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hey decided to spit in the face of their brothers.
russia invaded Ukraine, wormtongue....
bullies always try to blame their victims
can't just tell your family to f-off
I don't want to be grouped into some Daily Mail-reading cohort, but I think I have a good analogy here!
The British royal family.
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Ukraine is Harry.
Now, Harry was never very bright, but he was charming! He was a war veteran. He was handsome. He had a certain ease about him - that William and Charles did not possess.
Then an American woman appeared, that totally turned off his entire family.
She put him through loyalty tests, and introduced heretofore unknown psychoses.
Eventually, she convinced him that his family was the enemy - and the only person who truly understood him was her.
He cut ties with everyone he loved, and moved to a new place, to start a new life. Only to discover that nobody there was really waiting for him.
Now he's an orphan.
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Never marry a woman that tries to align you against your family.
Nobody that truly loves you, would advocate such a thing. This should be your first red flag.
No family is simple. Every family has problems. But listening to an outsider's framing of our problems - that makes you a stupid twat.
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I'm quite proud of this one - what do you think?
Another "Putinist" with a curious name:
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Eventually, she convinced him that his family was the enemy
Ukrainians were fighting against Poland and RuSSia before the US (the "American woman") even existed as an independent state lol 🤦
what do you think?
That either you think we're stupid and we don't know the history of our region, or you're stupid and you don't know the history of our region or you're writing this to brainwash Americans, who don't know the history of our region and so they can be easily brainwashed... 🤔🧐
or you're stupid
Probably this.
So Ukraine is not Harry, and Russia is not William?
So, my question is - why did Zelensky do it?
He is an actor... an actor being drawn deeper and deeper into the character role that the banderiSSts wrote for him...
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