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Spike31 2 | 904
12 Jan 2019  #61
I disagree with everything you've said, but I will defend until my death your right to say it!

I do believe the same way, Lyzko.

Yet it seems and that it is also exactly what left side is wholeheartedly against.

When you take a look at a presentation of Independence March in so called 'mainstream media' one thing is clear: they just want to quickly label everyone who does attend them as some kind of a dangerous radical who only wants to aimlessly destroy or at least some kind of a backward idiot who is against left-leaning progressivism.

The only thing they want to do is to dehumanize them. There's no room for discussion only for silencing any opposing views.

A continuous and furious attacks and slandering a grassroots, voluntary Independence March is one of the brightest examples of that stance.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,274
12 Jan 2019  #62
Yet it seems and that it is also exactly what left side is wholeheartedly against.

I know it's a customary way of using "seems" to show that you are a nice guy. I am not (a nice guy), so I will do the dirty work.

These bastards hate you, me, and everybody else who dares to disagree with them. Today's left is what the Bolsheviks, SA, Gestapo, KGB, and UB used to be, except that, they, the modern leftists, don't have the physical or legal power to torture and imprison. Not yet, anyway. But a preview is already available in the UK, Germany and elsewhere in Europe for all to see.
cms neuf - | 815
12 Jan 2019  #63
You think that everyone who does not like the march is a "leftist" but that is simply not the case.

As for looking down on the marchers - surely we are able to make our own judgments about those people and communicate them. Are they snowflakes that they can't take criticism. They also can't see the humor in their appearance and dress and way they act which you have to admit is pretty funny.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,714
12 Jan 2019  #64
The left wing liberals in Europe are pushing voters more to the right.
Here in The UK the Conservative party supporting press have started calling certain individuals Extreme Right Wing instead of Right Wing.
Chris Grayling has expressed his fears of a huge lurch to parties to the right of The Conservative Party if Brexit is not delivered.
He is right.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,274
12 Jan 2019  #65
The left wing liberals in Europe are pushing voters more to the right.

As an unintended consequence, I assume.

Here in The UK the Conservative party

You forgot quotes around Conservative.

press have started calling certain individuals Extreme Right Wing instead of Right Wing.

...but nobody in the UK, just as here, is ever called "Extreme Left Wing". Under liberal rules of engagement, that bird can fly with just one wing.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,714
12 Jan 2019  #66
1.Yes,obviously an unintended consequence of their stupidity.
2.I apologize for my lack of quote marks on "Conservative Party" as so many of them are not Conservative at all!
3.The term Extreme Left Wing is rarely used in The UK,even for die hard Marxists like Corbyn and MacDonald.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,274
12 Jan 2019  #67
I was just yanking your chain. I know where you stand.
From now on, I will use quote marks around our "Democratic" party of America hating idiots and thugs.
cms neuf - | 815
12 Jan 2019  #68
You need an argue about other countries but I am not sure British voters are moving to the right - the last election saw a higher turnout of younger voters which gave Labour their surprisingly good result. UKIP got something like 1 percent of the vote, way down on the 2015 result. Polls at the moment show Conservatives and Labour very close.

Recent pro Brexit demos have been very poorly attended, although the diehards who are attending seem more willing to get violent.
Lyzko 20 | 6,291
12 Jan 2019  #69
@Spike31,

Anybody can twist anything to make it look a certain way, even if it isn't!
:-)
Miloslaw 6 | 1,714
12 Jan 2019  #70
@cms neuf " but I am not sure British voters are moving to the right"
I am not sure if you are a Brit or not,got the impression that you were.
If you are,then you are way out of touch.
cms neuf - | 815
13 Jan 2019  #71
Well by the looks of it there will be an election this year in the UK so we will see then if the voters are moving to the right
delphiandomine 85 | 17,824
13 Jan 2019  #72
Chris Grayling has expressed his fears of a huge lurch to parties to the right of The Conservative Party if Brexit is not delivered.

I think Mafketis mentioned it, but the real issue is that a sizeable amount of working class voters want the "Eastern Europeans" gone, and they think that Brexit will deliver that for them. The truth is that it won't, but that's what they've been led to believe. I fear that even if there's a no deal Brexit, they will lurch to the hard right once they realise that Pawel simply isn't going home.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,274
13 Jan 2019  #73
As they should because Pawel should go home and help Poland build better future. That is if Pawel is still 100% Polish and 0% British.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,824
13 Jan 2019  #74
Paweł doesn't care about Poland. Paweł cares that the UK provides a much better standard of living for him and his children.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,274
13 Jan 2019  #75
I thought we are discussing what the Brits want. Like Pawel packing. What Pawel wants is irrelevant to the Brits.
TicTacToe
13 Jan 2019  #76
Most Poles have already gone back to Poland because it's Poland they want to live not the UK.
TicTacToe
13 Jan 2019  #78
Well considering I live here and you don't I'd say you're wrong there.
jon357 64 | 14,382
14 Jan 2019  #79
Hahahaha. No they haven't.

Quite. The numbers who've returned are relatively small. Certainly not "most Poles"!!
bolek_tusk 3 | 278
14 Jan 2019  #80
God - Honour - Fatherland

This always reminds me of Shakespeare's Henry V who urged

Cry God for Harry, England and St. George

I wonder what our modern day liberal friends would have to say about that...
Miloslaw 6 | 1,714
14 Jan 2019  #81
a sizeable amount of working class voters want the "Eastern Europeans" gone, and they think that Brexit will deliver that for them.

In London it was The Asians that wanted The East Europeans out and voted Brexit,in the hope that more of their relatives will get in.

I think most working class people don't mind The East Europeans here,they just don't want any more.
bolek_tusk 3 | 278
14 Jan 2019  #82
A true democracy, not one in Trumpland, involved honest debate and discussion

It's odd that both the Democrats and PO are incapable of proposing anything at all. Their whole political manifesto consists of getting rid of Trump or PiS.
jon357 64 | 14,382
14 Jan 2019  #83
In London

London was/is majority remain. The highest leave voting areas were in rural eastern England and the industrial north, especially the less diverse parts of the north.

I wonder what our modern day liberal friends would have to say about that..

Or what more traditional liberals would think. The most modern of the most modern or the most troglodytic of reactionaries would see it as a line from a popular and well-known play, and one of the best known quotes in English.

You do realise that it's theatre; they didn't actually use that as a battle cry, nor did the King say "once more unto the breach dear friends, once more".
bolek_tusk 3 | 278
14 Jan 2019  #84
Well by the looks of it there will be an election this year in the UK so we will see then if the voters are moving to the right

There has been no right wing party in the UK since the BNP came to prominence in 2005 when they outvoted UKIP.

They have all but disappeared now.

they didn't actually use that as a battle cry, nor did the King say "once more unto the breach dear friends, once more".

He did!

I saw an old YouTube clip which live streamed the battle.... :)
jon357 64 | 14,382
14 Jan 2019  #85
I bet it was in black and white!
Miloslaw 6 | 1,714
14 Jan 2019  #86
London was/is majority remain.

What has that got to do with it?
I was just pointing out that in London it was not a class that wanted the East Europeans out it was another group of immigrants.
Lyzko 20 | 6,291
14 Jan 2019  #87
The GOP is controlled by the Republican House, Bolku! Only the Senate went Democratic, and in order to impeach Trump, we need a 2/3 majority:-)
cms neuf - | 815
14 Jan 2019  #88
But if UKIP was the most right wing option on the ballot, why did they only get 1% of the vote ? What is the evidence for Britain being more right wing ?

The BNP was around in the 90s as far as I remember, but they have never had more than a few local councillors - not sure they ever had a single MP.

What I think is happening however is that the people who are still on the extreme right are become more hardcore and more dangerous. The people on the extreme left seem to be mainly older guys and environmental warriors.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,714
14 Jan 2019  #89
Don't make me laugh.

The new left are even more violent than the right wingers!

Just like Antifa in The States.
TheOther 5 | 3,749
14 Jan 2019  #90
In London it was The Asians that wanted The East Europeans out

Why did Britain invite the East Europeans in the first place after their E.U. accession? Oh, that's right, because GWB and his poodle Blair loved to meddle in European affairs again as usual. We need to get the ex Warsaw Pact countries into NATO and the E.U. as fast as possible, they said. Come to the U.K., they said. You are old allies from WW2 and we welcome you with open arms, they said. Yeah, right.

The new left are even more violent than the right wingers!

And why? Because they know exactly what the right wingers stand for. They only have to open a history book.


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