10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND!

This is so true. When we see the wars over the past it is like they say, "History repeats itself". Maybe this is a lesson on not having proper closure.

It depends how you define "closure".
Closure can be peaceful airing of grievances, like in South Africa.
Closure can mean revenge, like in Rwanda.

One of the funniest example of Jewish Polonophobia I have ever seen was some Jewish guy showing Chmielnicki's "pogroms" as one of the proves of "zoological Polish antisemitism".

For Ukrainians he is a hero and that's not surprising. Poles occupied their land and Jews were seen as a tool of Poles.

oh yes G and his love to Ukrainians ... Chmielnicki was native Pole ... and Ukrainian hero so it isnt' so easy case Ukrainians against Poles ... and Jews yes Ukrainian peasants have seen them sa tool of nobel Poles (the same as Polish) and had taken opportunity to kill them.

Any part of my post is wrong ?

it wasn't occupation ... Kozaks wanted just biger salaries ... and Ukrainian peasants were easy to use they just promised them more freedom (sic!) Polish peasants were the same naive and sometimes were supporting people who promised them something. As to me we should forget about bad past in case of Ukriana because two sides have done something wrong and Ukrainians are our alies so maybe we should rather discusse more positive events in our past.

And Gerries just want to give arrogant Poles culture, civilization and "European values"... sorry, they are giving us "European values" now...


Better your love to homos, Negros and Muslims... ?

let them live ... for some Germans you are Negro ...

Do I say to kill them ?


And you know what they are for me... ?

Ok so maybe live your own life and be good human and Christian ;)

I think neither me and you is not going to change mind but in case of Ukrainians it seems taht we will have so many things to do togheter that maybe you should be quiet.

WTF ?

We are firends with Ukrainians :)) I like their traditions and customs and they are very similar. If you feel victim of war in XVII century so you have problem.

What the hell... ? It's you, who have a problem with Chmielnicki.

no i don't but I just wanted to present some facts that Ukrainian rebel was native Pole. Our King was considered by them as their ally and only Polish nobels and Jews as their enemies ... so it was rather home war ...

wrong,....then Palestinian,under British mandate protection ,untill certain terrorists started planting bombs and murdering British soldiers who had liberated Belsen...please say these truths are taught in Israeli schools and you were just being liberal with the truth there....

[


Serious questions...What about Adam ? And Moses covenant with God ?


How do you defend yourself against the palestinian kids who throw stones at your tanks?


Your 'democratic' zionist govt. has created the most densely populated open air refugee camp/prison in the world, with an estimated 4mm refugees. How can you even attempt to talk your way around this fact ? You cannot not compare life inside tel-aviv with life inside Gaza.

"The number of registered Palestine refugees has subsequently grown from 914,000 in 1950 to more than 4.4 million in 2005..." UN.org

You sound like a very reasonable person, but don't try to paint the 2 very different pictures with the same brush.

some people live in total denial - theres quite a few on this site

Some facts:
Gaza has a population of 1.4 million, not all refugees. (The figure of 4.4 probably refers to all those claiming to be palestinian refugees anywhere in the Arab world). Gaza had the same population before israel withdrew. So we did not set up an open air refugee camp by withdrawing. I suppose according to that logic that if we would withdraw from the west bank then we will have set up an even bigger "refugee camp".


Generally either by continuing on our way or, depending on the situation, using tear gas or firing in the air, not at children. Your question sounds as if you are expecting a different answer. But the truth is that doesn't happen much lately anyway. It was common in the first intifada, along with rioting by adults. In the second intifada the palestinian weapon of choice was gunfire, to which we respond with gunfire. Lately the weapon of choice is rockets to civilian areas, to which we respond with targeted attacks on terrorists.


Palestine was the name of the area in those days, and it was a British mandate given to them by the League of Nations. Your use of the term "palestinian" implies that there was an ethnic group called "the palestinians" in those days who would presumably be the rightful owners of any country called palestine, but that is an anachronism. Palestine was simply the Roman name for the area we call "Israel". It is not the name of any ethnic group or country in Arab history. The local Arabs were Palestinians Arabs the same way the local Jews were Palestinian Jews. The people who most often refered to themselves as "palestinians" in those days were Jews of Palestine. (ie the "palestinian" units in the british army were made up primarily of jews).

The arabs resented the designation because it implied that "palestine" was a separate entity from transjordan and syria, which in Arab eyes were one entity and the home of one ethnic group. Palestine as a separate entity was a concept rooted in Jewish and Christian history, not in Arab history.

So your comment was incorrect and misleading.

You speak more untruth: I will specify: under the Romans the territory was never called Israel, but Iudea/Idumea or, in English, Judea...in fact, there was no such person as a Jew...there were members of the tribe of Judah, as was our Lord, Jesus Christ...the name {alestine came into existence after the Romans crushed the Bar-Kochba rebellion and dispersed the Judeans...the Pharisee religious sect of the Judeans then went to Babylon...the British gave the 'Jews' the right to emmigrate to Palestine under the Balfour Declaration, which was negotiated by the English/European Jewish bankers with

the UK, as a form of payment to the rich Jews for their bringing the Americans into WWII...this was done through manipulation of President Woodrow Wilson by his Sephardic Jewish advisor 'Colonel'Mandell Huis, who was not even an Americn citizen, but a Dutch Jew...Britain was bankrupt at this time, and the Jews arranged for monies from the US, through the banking houses of Kuhh, Loeb; JP Morgan (US front for the Rothschilds) & the Warburg family, who hailed from Germany, but played both sides when it was to their advantage...

the Balfour Declaration stated that there would be no infringement by the Jews 'on the right of the native occupants of Palestine to live, work & have full rights' in their homeland...this predated the League of Nations, which was a largely Zionist attempt, or

first try, at a 'world government'...and, please, Israelites are not the same as Jews, when speaking of Biblical History...the first mention of 'Jews' in English translations of the

Bible occurs in Kings I, when they are first mentioned as a 'tribe that was driven from the region around Eilat' by an Israelite leader...the only other mention is in the Book Of Esther, which was written approx.200 BC.

yes,all those living there the arabs the sephardic jews etc,so,sorry,your the one racially dividing people.


I notice your dodging the point!
Your country gained its place through jewish terrorists murdering British soldiers. Your eye patch wearing hero murdered scores in the King David hotel,many of those murdered so you could have leibansraum mkII had been involved in the liberation of Belsen. so,I ask again,is this taught in Israeli schools or do you just paint pictures of evil soldiers trying to prevent you having some god given homeland ?

You've baffled me...what is the point of your above statement and how is it connected to the creation of a refugee problem? Which Israeli withdrawal are you referring to? And what warped logic are you applying here?

You truly sound like one those 'bought' guys on CNN who will dodge the issue, mislead the audience, and come out looking like good!!!


The answer 'INDIFFERENT' would be more appropriate. Sounds like you know much about defending the holy land. How do you justify some of the brutal murders below:

2001: Israeli army admits killing [5] boys - Politicians angry as military claims device that killed five Palestinian children was meant for militant"
guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,605287,00.html

2002: "The Israeli army has apologised for causing the deaths of six-year-old Ahmad Abu Aziz and his 13-year-old brother Jamil, but said the tank crew opened fire to deter Palestinians breaking a curfew and approaching them."

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2102081.stm

2003: "Israeli Army shooting of cameraman (James Miller) was murder, says inquest"
timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2122445,00.html

2003: RAFAH, Gaza (CNN) -- An Israeli bulldozer killed an American woman Sunday who had been protesting its use to destroy Palestinian houses in Rafah...."She was raising her hands and yelling at the bulldozer driver to stop," Arraf said. "The bulldozer driver paid no attention. ... He buried Rachel with dirt, which ended up, obviously, knocking her down. Then he ran over her, and then reversed and ran over her again."

com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/

2004- A Girl's Chilling Death in Gaza
"Four minutes later, Israeli troops opened fire on the girl with machine guns and rifles, the radio transmissions indicated. The captain walked to the spot where the girl "was lying down" and fired two bullets from his M-16 assault rifle into her head, according to an indictment against the officer. He started to walk away, but pivoted, set his rifle on automatic and emptied his magazine into the girl's prone body, the indictment alleged."

washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16886-2004Nov27?language=printer

2006: JERUSALEM (CNN) -- An Israeli navy gunboat fired shells onto a northern Gaza beach Friday, killing at least seven people and prompting the military wing of Hamas to call off a 16-month-old cease-fire with Israel.

cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/09/mideast/

INDIFFERENT is the answer I was expecting....at least admit it!!!

Your "facts" are way off:
1. The eye patch guy was Moshe Dayan who belonged to the Hagana which was the left-wing army that opposed the right-wing Irgun who blew up the King David Hotel (British headquarters).

2. The struggle against the british occupation force was one of the factors that made the british leave earlier than planned. But jewish independence was accomplished as the culmination of about 70 years of settlement, building cities and industries and government institutions -- it was not a "reward" for killing british soldiers.

3. The british were not blameless. They got the palestine mandate in the first place stating that they would build a Jewish national home. Then after a few short years they cut off Jewish immigration and refused entry to desparate refugees from Hitler. After the holocaust they continued denying entry to Jews. They set themselves up as an enemy of the Jews of palestine and were then treated as such.


And ashkenazi jews, who had also been living there for hundreds of years. The point is that there was never, before 1948, an ethnic group called "palestinians". So saying that the land was "palestinian" in those days is an anachronism. It was controlled by the british, who publicly promised the jews (and privately promised the arabs) an independent homeland in the same place..

Ok so maybe sth about our current Israel-Poland realtions. They are rather positive.

goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-1273905_ITM


300 000 of Israel citizens speak Polish.

and maybe we moan about Jsrael-Palestine but last time our realtions are friendly and in some cases Israel had Polish support in EU ...


I think we can discusse about the past but maybe it would be good business for both of our nations to do business (I m not tallking about Palestine :P) but all in all when 300 000 of your citizens speaks Polish and your first president was form Poland ... so maybe it is good base for better trade agreements and cooperatrion. as your safety you have nuclear wepons so some land for Palestinians wouldnt be serious thread for your country.

my apologies.


never said it was a "reward",I said it was gained by britain being forced out of its position of responsability by the deaths of british soldiers,soldiers who had actually fought the nazis remember,at the hands of jewish terrorists(terrorist,someone with no govt mandate who kills for political gain). How long should British soldiers have benn expected to stay there getting murdered ,We had been fighting the Nazis for 6 years so being blown up by the people we had helped to liberate is too much to handle.


Yes,but the lads who the jewish terrorists murdered hadnt signed any treaties or declrations had they?

If I were british I'd be sore too. And I would look at the Irgun from a different perspective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. But that doesn't delegitimize Jewish sovereignty. The US also gained independence by killing the British, as did much of Africa. In pre-1948, the mainstream military group, the Hagana, cooperated with the british for the most part -- to the extent that the much smaller irgun considered them traitors. But it was the Hagana that everntually became the core of the Israeli army after independence.

Dont go there!
All Im saying is,from my perspective I see an Israel where the fantasy of "Exodus" the movie seems to be the prefered history,and not the fact that mureder and terror were the principle factors.

Just because I am "bitter" about the past does not mean I defend todays terrorists.Quite the opposite.In fact,Im sick of seeing victims turn into aggressors .


Yes,and a mighty fine army was created .
Shame its reputation began to be seriously sullied in the 80s with the massacres and invasions.


yes,but british soldiers hadn just helped save the americans from going up a chimmney,thats what sticks in the throat.


and one half of africa generally slaughtered the other half so not really a comparison is it.

Omniba,
I tried to answer your message but you removed your address.

Well, what happens, not theoretically speaking, when Russian Jews (Chabbad or Satmar,
Talmudic or atheistic) are in power?....Alexander Solzhenytsin reports the death toll of
Russian and Ukranian Christians, peasants, clergy & intelligentsia at 66 MILLION during the Bolshevik/Communist holocaust...also, I have no great fears for my personal safety.

You guys are crazy, potraying the palastinians as some innocent victims. like they have no control for their situation. oh wait I have solution stop killing innocent israeli. israel kills innocent palastinians but they do not target them. on the otherhand palastinians kill innocent israelis but they do target them. Israel had made many many mistakes but its out of frustration. the terrorists are cowards. not defending Israel because they go overboard with collective punishment but its out of anger of innocents dying so might not be right its understandable .

I have a solution. First Israel withdrawals to its original borders entirely. Second palastinians stop bombing because then they have no excuse. If they don't stop it is obvious they are not fighting for their land but want to totally destroy israel. if that's the case some in Europe and the USA should protect Israel. No excuses

Now if you ask why should USA and Europe(germany,russia,uk) provide troops.
Germany for causing the war leading to creation of Israel. and the rest for their decision to create Israel. They made this decision it is their responsibility.

The Israelis accepted this offer, so they took all the responsibility.