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Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


Crow 146 | 7,594    
28 Oct 2018  #211
Yes if you think you can come here and overthrow our government.

No, you don`t understand. We Serbians will only give a little push. I mean, even fact that are Serbs against Duda would be enough to ruin that clown.

And ask Hungarians, too. Czechs, Slovaks. Duda have such a fine way to ridicule us all, to avoid interests of Central Europe and he isolates Poland. For whom Duda works? For France? For whom?

Man, Duda is utter moron and utter traitor.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
28 Oct 2018  #212
Is that a sword?

Yep but more of a symbol nowadays, the skill to use this was passed from farther to son, I am probably the last in our family to maintain the tradition which goes back to the 17th century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szabla_wz._34
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,327    
28 Oct 2018  #213
I am probably the last in our family to maintain the tradition which goes back to the 17th century.

Wow! That is really cool....you need a son, pronto! ;)
Crow 146 | 7,594    
28 Oct 2018  #214
Son is fine but don`t be sexist brate wurste.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,327    
28 Oct 2018  #215
...such a tradition deserves to be uphold, a tough girl would be fine too...I think...
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
28 Oct 2018  #216
.you need a son, pronto!

The last thing I would want to teach my son is the mechanics of combat and warfare, this all needs to end with my generation.
Ironside 47 | 9,250    
28 Oct 2018  #217
What are you talking about? That is crazy talk. IF you really posses some 17th century saber skills you should pass them on. Sorry, but I doubt that you do.
Crow 146 | 7,594    
28 Oct 2018  #218
@dolnoslask

Man, Ana Brnabic has more pride then you do man. Its a dragon woman. Not perfect woman (not at all) but dragon woman in any case.

Don`t give up.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
28 Oct 2018  #219
Sorry, but I doubt that you do.

Sorry ironside maybe you and your family were behind the iron curtain, these things were frowned upon.

Anyone can do it including you. fencing-london.co.uk/pl/strona-glowna/

I also learned Fencing at our polish club in the uk.
Ironside 47 | 9,250    
28 Oct 2018  #220
I also learned Fencing a

ah, so you're talking about fencing not some 17th polish fencing - got you now.

well, that is of little use on today battlefields.

these things were frowned upon.

not shooting, one could improve his shooting skills in his free time all right, learning basic in school, and coscripted into commie army, only declared commies could 'own' a gun.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
28 Oct 2018  #221
ah, so you're talking about fencing not some 17th polish fencing - got you now.

Yes fencing was a sport but the szabla was the main weapon of every Polish cavalryman, my grandfather used this weapon against the Bolsheviks he taught my father (But dad never had one at casino) then dad taught me.

Stick to the topic please
Atch 16 | 2,639    
29 Oct 2018  #222
I'd say that Dolno is on topic because this is a thread about Polish independence which therefore encompasses Polish identity and culture. The art of using a sword was very much part of that right into the 20th century but like so many true Polish traditions it's been largely lost. Ironside's comments demonstrate the ignorance of even a middle aged Polish person about some aspects of Polish identity. So when people march on 11 November what are they celebrating exactly, what does it mean to be Polish as opposed to French or German or Russian?

@Dolno, Mr Atch's grandfather was also in the cavalry but obviously a later generation than your own grandpa. Mr Atch's granny still has his cavalry sword. Did I ever tell you the tale of the rat?? When Mr Atch was a baby his grandparents were 'minding' him as we'd say in Ireland and granny put him out in the garden in a sort of Moses basket to get the fresh air and sunshine. Apparently a rat came along and was sitting on his chest. Grandpa ran into the house, grabbed his sword from the wall, rushed back to the garden and decapitated the rat where it sat. Cue outburst of hysteria from Granny 'you old fool, etc' :)) But such was the skill and precision of a Polish swordsman.

Apparently "the combat traditions of Polish cavalry are continued by the armoured (Kawaleria Pancerna) and aeromobile (Kawaleria Powietrzna) units of Polish Land Forces. " But I bet you won't see them at the Polish Independence Day March and they should be, in my opinion.

not shooting

You're missing the point. Swordsmanship was not frowned upon because it was a form of combat skill but because it was an old Polish tradition associated with the nobility and the Commies didn't like that. Look at how hard they worked to wipe out the Polish officer class and intelligentsia. They tried to do the same thing to Poland as they did to Russia. A kind of genocide. Kill them or force them into exile. It was the Commies who disbanded the Polish Cavalry.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
29 Oct 2018  #223
Swordsmanship was not frowned upon because it was a form of combat skill but because it was an old Polish tradition associated with the nobility and the Commies didn't like

Wow Atch I am so impressed a non Pole was the only one to see the connection,I expected many poles here (including the mod) would connect to my post and know how the polish cavalryman was pivotal in the the war of independence. you only have to see the art of the time that portrayed the Polish Szabla cutting down the Bolshevik swine.

reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/82lwd7/beat_the_bolshevik_poland_1920

No the commies did not want us to carry on our traditions and remind them how we once were able to defend ourselves against them and gain our independence.

But yes the tradition Foil and Szabla were very much a part of the officer class and nobility.

Well don Grandpa , glad Mr Atch remembered the story and the significance of this tradition.
Ironside 47 | 9,250    
29 Oct 2018  #224
You're missing the point.

Am I? It is not the right thread nor the right time to talk about some obsolete issue. I was talking about the old Polish Art of Cross Cutting as dolno said/wrote something about 17th century. Cavalrymen taught to use saber and lance before the war are not the same thing.

Also one could learn fencing with saber but not pre-war cavalry skills as there was no cavalry units any more. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wojciech_Zablocki.jpg)

Ironside's comments demonstrate the ignorance

Aren't you presuming much?
Atch 16 | 2,639    
29 Oct 2018  #225
some obsolete issue

It's precisely the sort of thing that should be discussed on a Polish forum. It's a beautiful art at which Poland excelled, it's powerfully symbolic even in 21st century Poland. It's your history, not some obsoloete issue and it's far more worthy of discussion than the rubbish that's often talked here. However it requires some interest in the subject and either some knowledge or the will to acquire it, which comparatively few members of the forum posess.

Cavalrymen taught to use saber and lance before the war are not the same thing.

They stem from the same tradition.

@ Dolno, something for you below!



OP Spike31 1 | 378    
29 Oct 2018  #226
A famous duel scene from "The Deluge" [1974]

youtu.be/_tFXZn9qNhg
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
29 Oct 2018  #228
Our struggle for independence (in pictures)

google.co.uk/search?q=bij+bolszewika+polska&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj58PmomKveAhWHmLQKHf_pAL4Q_AUIDigB&biw=1242&bih=604
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
30 Oct 2018  #229
A national Athem of Poland before the Poland vs Germany volleyball match in Chorzow, Silesia

youtu.be/TSpEBBwkpPc
Ziemowit 12 | 3,100    
30 Oct 2018  #230
President Duda has said that he will not participate in the Independence March in Warsaw this year.

- I would like us to go together in the Independence March, and it is a matter of responsibility to society. Let's stand side by side and show people that we can be together. We do not have to bite ourselves - president Andrzej Duda said in a Friday interview for Rzeczpospolita. Many people took these words as the president's invitation to the march organized by the nationalists.

However, according to the RMF FM radio station, the president himself will not take part in this demonstration.
cms neuf - | 580    
30 Oct 2018  #231
Of course not - its at the weekend and i think he will quickly lay his wreath and then after a taxpayer funded plane ride hone he will probably have his trotters up in Krakow with a cup of coffee
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
30 Oct 2018  #232
President Duda has said that he will not participate in the Independence March in Warsaw this year.

President, or a government was never a part of Independence March initiative. It was always organized by a National Movement committee right from the beginning. It's a grassroots movement and that's what makes it so great. So I don't see any controversy here.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
30 Oct 2018  #233
It's a grassroots movement and that's what makes it so great.

You mean it's actually a yearly gathering of football ultras in Warsaw. Nothing 'grassroots' about it, it's just the one day a year when they get together.
Dougpol1 26 | 2,146    
30 Oct 2018  #234
I would like us to go together in the Independence March, and it is a matter of responsibility to society.

Duda is a clown to say such a thing. Just as the communist government stated before the May-day processions.
Some things never change!

So I don't see any controversy here.

Full of people who exclusively blame others for Polands' history, and are taking the Monday off - because they are not interested in what they can do for their country....................etc...etc.....

he will probably have his trotters up in Krakow

Duda will bunker down in Jurata more like. If his helicopter comes over Dougpol towers I will get on the roof and offer him the finger.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,100    
30 Oct 2018  #235
Last Wednesday, the conference of the organizers of the Independence March took place. The head of the initiative, Robert Bąkowicz, said that the 100th anniversary of regaining independence by Poland is "a moment in which we Poles should unite and not divide".

- Despite the fact that some political differences divide us, despite the fact that there are situations in which we are in a very strong political dispute, we would like to invite President Andrzej Duda - added Bąkowicz. He explained that the organizers want the president to speak at the beginning of the March.

According to the information provided by the media, talks between the Chancellery of the President and the organizers of the March of Independence continued for some time. According to the media, the Chancellery wanted a guarantee that the only symbols that would appear on it would only white and red colors.

Apparently, such a guarantee could not be obtained. The president will not take part in this demonstration once again.
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
30 Oct 2018  #236
Such a guarantee is impossible on a march on this scale. And anyone can join it since it is open for everyone. Hence the provocations from opposing groups has happened in the past.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
30 Oct 2018  #237
According to the media, the Chancellery wanted a guarantee that the only symbols that would appear on it would only white and red colors.

Which seems reasonable enough. Clearly the organisers didn't want to abandon their symbols.
cms neuf - | 580    
30 Oct 2018  #238
Spike being as you are 100 percent Yorkshire let me describe this rally - imagine all the top boys from Leeds, Sheffield We'd, Sheffield United and whatever other struggling teams you have there meet up for a day and instead of fighting each other they drink together and sing songs about Tommy Robinson. They spend precisely zero time thinking about the independence movements.
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
30 Oct 2018  #239
Spike being as you are 100 percent Yorkshire let me describe this

Well, I'm 100% Polish and I've never been to Yorkshire nor I'm planning to go there but be my guest :-)


delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
30 Oct 2018  #240
Another picture from a completely different event ;)

One can only wonder why Spike keeps posting pictures from completely unrelated occasions.



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