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Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
9 Jan 2019  #1,261
Why do Germans love their stats so much?

*gets red*

Guilty!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
9 Jan 2019  #1,263
..myloveofstatsandfactsandespeciallysurveys...
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
9 Jan 2019  #1,264
More poxy stat lies.....life is too short.....
OP Spike31 1 | 438    
9 Jan 2019  #1,265
Why do Germans love their stats so much?

Yet, they are not so eager to publicize the crime and unemployment statistics of their newly arrived "engineers and doctors" from North Africa.

They only like some statistics :-)

Anyway, when it comes to stats I share Mark Twain's view


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  9 Jan 2019  #1,266
So...you don't have your own facts and stats to prove your "opinion" so all others get called "lies"?

It's like bad math...when you keep adding the wrong variables you shouldn't be surprised that the equation doesn't add up and that the outcome will be always wrong.

When I would plan longterm for the end of the EU, the downfall of Germany, the isolation of Poland I would much rather start with a honest account of the reality today and build up my strategy from that.

Starting with the wrong basics will never lead to your desired outcome Spike. So instead to call everything you don't like a lie and ignore what doesn't fit into your world view you should study these surveys and facts and how they developed and came to pass.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
9 Jan 2019  #1,267
Anyway, when it comes to stats I share Mark Twain's view

Didn't he also say that the rumors about his death were greatly exaggerated?
mafketis 16 | 6,247    
10 Jan 2019  #1,268
A booming (and ageing) economy like Germany can never have enough of those ;)

Then why is the government trying so hard to get rid of them?

bbc.com/news/world-europe-42235232

What's with this obsession with Germany being the problem?

Because Germany is the contradiction at the heart of Europe (and so... the EU). I like Germany and German culture and language but.... the truth is that Germany will inevitably come to economically dominate any kind of alliance it's in and if/when it tries to turn that economic power into political power then that will lead to resentment and probably conflict (open or not) down the road.

A good analogy would be Rinaldo getting Luxembourg citizenship for the Luxembourg national side. He'll dominate the rest of the team which still won't win important matches and the other players will resent the hot dog making them look bad by comparison. That's the EU at present, a world class star with a bunch of competent journeymen...

Germany's first real attempt at translating its economic clout into political influence was Merkel wanting to redistribute surplus refugees and it's hard to call that a success and it's hard to say the effort won any new friends... the idea of an EU army (Macron's but with Merkel's blessing) has also gone over like a tvrd in a punch bowl.
Tacitus 2 | 692    
  10 Jan 2019  #1,269
That's the EU at present, a world class star with a bunch of competent journeymen...

A bad analogy, because other countries benefit tremendously from Germany's economy, with Poland being one of the main benefactors.

has also gone over like a tvrd in a punch bowl.

The response was mostly positive though, and even Poland has pledged to cooperate more militarily with Europe.
OP Spike31 1 | 438    
10 Jan 2019  #1,270
So...you don't have your own facts

I do have them and quote them (and link to them) very often. Just open your eyes and get familiar with sources outside of your comfort zone.

other countries benefit tremendously from Germany's economy, with Poland being one of the main benefactors.

And Germany is one of the main benefactors of booming Polish economy.

A German automotive industry is being supplied by auto parts and modules from Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic.

So you're not doing us any special favors, you're just acting in your own interest. Which is fine with me and beneficial for both of us, but don't try to sell our free economic exchange as some kind of "economic charity" on German side.
Tacitus 2 | 692    
10 Jan 2019  #1,271
And Germany is one of the main benefactors of booming Polish economy.

Sure it is a win-win situation for all sides involved and not one where one party overshadows the other.
OP Spike31 1 | 438    
  10 Jan 2019  #1,272
Some more good news for today:

Salvini says populists could spark 'European Spring' as he meets Polish ruling party leader

"In Europe, one has always spoken about a French-German axis. We are preparing for a new equilibrium and a new energy in Europe. And Poland and Italy will be the protagonists of this new European spring, of this rebirth of true European values."

telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/09/italys-matteo-salvini-seeks-build-new-populist-european-order/
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
10 Jan 2019  #1,273
Some more good news for today:

Good news for Europe starts and ends with these three sentences:

Europe is and will forever be white and Christian.
All immigration, legal and illegal, is, henceforth, banned.
Illegal foreign garbage already here, without any consideration of gender and age, shall be removed by any means necessary.

Anything else is feel-good posturing to win the next elections.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
10 Jan 2019  #1,274
Id have to agree. Any announcements less than rahowa is a disappointing half measure..

It's as bad as trump kowtowing to the Democrats and going for a steel wall and not concrete. Today there's a bunch of articles saying the steel wall can be sawed through. Well no **** sherlock and seeing how every Mexican male has an angle grinder or sawzall in his garage it's not going to do ****. I could've told the government not to waste their time building these stupid prototypes. They don't even need to go high tech. A medieval meter thick concrete wall with dudes pouring hot oil on anyone who gets too close would work great. That's how the Chinese stopped the mongols. Or if you're going high tech just put proximity mines everywhere.
johnny reb 16 | 3,109    
10 Jan 2019  #1,275
Or do it how your buddies in Israel did it Dirk.
Look at the success they had with a wall (and bullets) which is a lot less expensive then the steel one Trump wants.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
  10 Jan 2019  #1,276
Man when I was is israel that wall is seriously more foreboding than any walls around any us prison. Not only that they got neurotic jews armed with galils everywhere and a big chunk of the citizenry is carrying concealed weapons including full autos. When I went to visit e Jerusalem I literally lost count of how many checkpoints I had to go through and get searched at almost each one. And the Palestinians that work in Israel go through that **** everyday, not jews of course though...

But of course in the zionist occupied government usa, and much of Europe, a wall is a no no. You even have Jewish charities and ngos bringing muslims on the shores in Greece and Italy and giving them sandwiches and juices and ****. I wonder how long I'd last trafficking arabs and africans into israel working on behalf of a Polish or American ngo. Yet God forbid any western country protects it's borders.... that's somehow racist, immoral...

Once I launch my political career my entire agenda will be to mimic israeli policies. I will say that we can't have gay marraige, can't allow race mixing, can't allow any third worlders none of that. And if people say that's racist homophobic or whatever I'll say well that's israels policy are you saying that jews are racist, homophobic?!?!??! YOU ANTISEMITE!!!! No one will dare to criticize my policies for fear or being called antisemitic. I might even dig up some jewidh ancestor that I'm sure is somewhere in my family tree.
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
10 Jan 2019  #1,277
German automotive industry is being supplied by auto parts and modules from Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic.

How many of these suppliers are owned by the German car industry or by German manufacturers connected to the automotive industry?
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
  10 Jan 2019  #1,278
Man when I was is israel that wall is seriously more foreboding than any walls around any us prison.

With you, Johnny, and me in charge, we wouldn't need a wall. Mines is all that's needed. Like at the DMZ. Plus, armed drones flying, detecting, and shooting to kill people. I said "people" because my drones would be programmed to avoid killing animals.

I still see no liberals arguing against the wall. It must mean (1) they are too stupid to put a sentence together in English that makes sense, or (2) we have finally convinced them that the wall is good for "America". I really wonder which one it is.
bolek_tusk 2 | 108    
10 Jan 2019  #1,279
We managed quite well for the last 50 years, thank you very much!

Wonder how well you will do after you are forced to pay war reparations for destroying Poland during WWII.

You have only just paid off your debt for starting WWI.
bolek_tusk 2 | 108    
10 Jan 2019  #1,280
The UK never had any issue with Germany,

Perhaps you have forgotten who the Britsh fought in WWI and WWII....

To be honest I don't know who the British hate most, Germany or France...
bolek_tusk 2 | 108    
10 Jan 2019  #1,281
They're just Polish in the sense of being physically located here

A bit like 'Polish Death Camps'....
delphiandomine 85 | 16,868    
10 Jan 2019  #1,282
Wonder how well you will do after you are forced to pay war reparations for destroying Poland during WWII.

Said it before, I'll say it again: Poland has no claim.

Some more good news for today:

Good news for Poland - a guy who is known for openly supporting and praising Putin wants Poland to come under his influence.

Nationalists in Poland are nothing but ZOMO thugs of the 21st century.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  10 Jan 2019  #1,283
A German automotive industry is being supplied by auto parts and modules from Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic.

So...how many polish, hungarian and czech families are being fed by the german economy?

a guy who is known for openly supporting and praising Putin wants Poland to come under his influence.

Yeah...I'm puzzled too.

Much of what Spike is posting could come directly from the Kreml.

Spike, you know that a disunified split Europe would leave only many weak parts and only one big winner, don't you?

How can you call yourself pro-Polish when everything you are wishing for is pro-Russian?

How can you ignore that you stay shoulder to shoulder with Putin in everything you want to happen?

With nearly every post you make the Putinistas clap in delight!

WHY????
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
10 Jan 2019  #1,284
@bolek_tusk
"To be honest I don't know who the British hate most, Germany or France"

It is Germany.
We don't hate them.
We just dislike and mistrust them a little bit more than the French.
The most annoying and revealing thing,is that we have more in common with The Germans than The French.
Maybe it's a rivalry thing.
Go figure.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  10 Jan 2019  #1,285
Maybe it's a rivalry thing.

*coughfootballcough*

I'm fairly sure I can guess what it is.

Many Brits begrudge Germany it's rise from the ashes to the top after WWII...it was the same time as Great Britain became smaller and smaller and lost it's Empire and felt it somewhat undeserved lost its place in the sun.

Not fair! That's why they are still singing war songs during football matches to remind the Germans who actually won the war! :)

The Frenchies just surrendered and aren't living down that humiliation either...there is no grudge to have.
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
10 Jan 2019  #1,286
BB there is some truth in what you say.
But who helped Germany rebuild itself after WW2 and why?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
10 Jan 2019  #1,287
The US? And to gain a foothold in Europe, the first line of defence in the fight against the communist bloc?
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
10 Jan 2019  #1,288
And The British did not help you?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
10 Jan 2019  #1,289
I don't remember....but then...I grew up in the East, we had been far removed from any help anyhow...
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
10 Jan 2019  #1,290
Then do some research,especially in how we rebuilt VW for you,currently the second biggest seller of vehicles to The UK.



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