Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

Thing is...there is no "germanization". It isn't necessary...Germany doesn't need other people dancing to "Atemlos" by Helene Fischer to earn hard cash...und to be an influential soft power.

Maybe another example will clear that up better:

Fact: Even after the Brits left the lingua france of the EU will be English (no matter what the Frenchies want:).
But only people who have to will speak German (heh:)

Now the big question:

Which country will keep and even gain it's influence on the continent?

Hint: It isn't english speaking Britain with it's famous singers and movies...

Such an honour...


The problem is more complicated than that. The whole EU, and eurocurrency in specific [which Poland luckily didn't accept so far], was built that way to favor Germany. And I don't know about you but I don't like playing games which are fixed from the start.

Germany would also like to keep central Europe as a 'backup' for their economical expansion.

That's why there so much hate and anger in German press (and German owned press in Poland) aimed at Hungary and Poland which are slowly emancipating itself from caring hands of mother Reich.

And that's why Poland have to Polonize German press in Poland same way Germany restricted their domestic press market for foreign investors. No more double standards.


That's a good question. When I was younger and more interested in cinema I watched many american and polish films, bit less but still many british and italian films [hell, I even remember watching a vietnamese film about rickshaw rider :-D) but I don't remember watching any single german film (I don't count Michael Haneke since he's Austrian). And it's not even that I chose not to watch them but there was simply no offer on TV and in cinemas. German culture was, and is still is, virtually non existent in Poland.

I guess if you would ask random Poles on the street "what is your favourite German film" they would reply "I don't remember watching ANY German film".

Just to finally beat that horse to death, two more...
The second one is from Radom. It caught my attention as the single dumbest way to call a bank in Poland.

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Yes, take a hike around the town, especially in those districts where many Poles lives, and take a look at house facades. Take a closer look at what is written on satellite dishes attached to them.

9 out of 10 it will say: "Cyfrowy Polsat"

That kind of consolation leaves me very, very cold. Like: "Your Honor, I was raping my step-daughter only twice a week".

I believe Santander have just acquired the Polish arm of Deutsche Bank.

The Americanization of you and your family has also been amazing.


Which are those districts? I very much doubt there are specifically "Polish" districts in Berlin. By the way, the latest news from the life of Polish people in Berlin has been the following:

a) fire has been set to a homeless man (45) sleeping on a bench in Alexanderplatz, near the famous DDR-made television tower. One of the perpetrators was a Polish man (38) abusing alcohol, so his Polish wife told him not to come back home when drunk, the result of which was that he was aimlessly wandering around parks where he met the other perpetrator (23) and they both set fire to their homeless acquaintance sleeping in a park with whom they drank alcohol in this same park the other day. Court proceedings for the case are under way in Berlin.

b) a Polish woman was shot dead in Neukölln (or Nowe Kolno, a place which first was Slavic, then it became German and now it is mostly Turkish and Arabic).

Based on our previous encounters, I am not sure if your comment, true as it is, is supposed to make me feel good or embarrassed.

Neither one nor the other. The comment was supposed to point out to the enormous strength of Americanization.

I don't know about Berlin since so far I only passed by Germany in order to visit more interesting places in Europe. That's why I asked him to take a closer look next time when he's out.

I can speak for the UK though. And in London plenty of Polish houses in areas such as Greenford have those "Cyfrowy Polsat" dishes attached to them. Understandably they want to have a connection with Polish culture.

Anyway, more interesting news:

New anti-EU league? Italian Minister Salvini to visit Polish conservative leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Presently, Salvini has already spoken to French and Dutch right-wing parties, France's National Rally and the Netherland's Party for Freedom, convincing them to join.

voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/new-anti-eu-league-italian-minister-salvini-to-visit-polish-conservative-leader-jaroslaw-kaczynski/

If there only temporarily, nothing wrong with that. If the stay is meant to be permanent, it's nothing to be proud of, as creating ghettos and living in one should be a reason to be ashamed.

In Poland we've got a folk saying which goes: "Wstyd to krasc i z baby spasc" which loosely translates to: "It's shameful to steal and to fall down from woman during sex"

There is help underway:

I got the translation but not the connection. Help!

Well, that was a joke to point out that there are more important things in life to be ashamed of than living in an oasis of normality in countries which are based on anti-values :-) Trust me on this; Poles went to Germany simply to make money and not for 'values', which modern Germany simply lacks. The only thing they can teach us now is what not to do.

If you pride yourself to be a Roman Catholic and have conservative-capitalist views there's little room for you to flourish in an overly socialistic and plainly neo-marxist Western Europe societies. Britain is like a faint blip of normality here but it also has its fair share of a nutters :-)

Today I read a story about a group of anti fascists during the independence day march. About a dozen commie antifa types unfurled some banner in front of the marchers. Naturally it contained some garbage about the evil pis government, racistlm land xenophobia. The commies were immediately assaulted upon unfurling their banner.

So what do the commies do? Run to the same government they were protesting against. They demand the police charge these people and the prosecutor try the case

So what does the pis government do? They tell the antifa they're not going to charge the people or try the case. They state reason is lack of public interest. They tell the antifa if they want to they can pay to take the people to civil court. Instead of prosecuting the kibole that whooped the commies, the government wisely decides to prosecute the commies for obstructing the march lolololol. Naturally the lefties blamed emperor trump and czar putin.

Man am I proud of my motherland

That story made me smile. That Polish passport of mine is looking better and better.

The future looks bright...it seems a majority of Poles (in Poland mind you) likes Germany...or at least doesn't hate it, fears it, or is deeply jealeous of it. Reading some polish poster here on PF one could get a far darker impression. :)

A survey from 2018:



:)

And that is one consequence:

A "voting with their feet", there is no other description possible...they are moving to Germany for jobs and a generally more liberal lifestyle...aka better life!

Only a small chunk of the Polonia go to other countries because they want to live in a more liberal society. 90%+ do it because they can make more money.

It clearly says in that article:
Surveys show that most Poles who leave are motivated by financial reasons.

Unless you're from north korea, Saudi arabia, Eritrea or a similar country, the people who move to a new 'liberal' country because they don't like the politics back home are more likely than not losers who couldn't thrive in their home country and blame the politics for their own failures and insecurities.

If those Poles want to live in a country next to millions of flip-flopistanis with a rape rate that's exponentially higher than Poland then they should. Just don't come crying back to Poland after going through spontaneous cultural enrichment themselves or through loved ones.

Now what i'd like to see is how many Germans and other Europeans are leaving Germany because of how much the society and its demographics have changed.... I know several Polish girls left because they felt unsafe living next to people who require books that tell them its not okay to grope or rape women.

:)

But it's true...hard cash tops everything..."flip-flopistanis" alongside mean Nazi-Germans...

And that's why Germany is such a huge soft power (to close the circle on that argument).


As far as I know young people leave Germany to explore the world and use their global chances....and old people often spend their pensions in the South for the better weather and cheaper prices.

I never heard of Germans leaving Germany because of the changing demographics because for that you would just have to leave the big cities and relocate to a town or village on the land.

But the contrary is happening, people leaving the land to go into the cities..with so many "flip-flopistanis".....crazy, huh?

That is a statistic from 2017 about the Top 10 countries Germans emigrate to: thelocal.de/20170810/here-are-the-top-countries-where-germans-immigrate-to

As you see, these countries have often even more flip-flopistanis than Germany...

I did a google search on 'germans leaving country' and a few articles popped up explaining that over 100k German citizens leave the country each year. 1.5 million Germans, especially the highly educated, left in the past decade.

zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/germans-are-leaving-germany-droves

When you go to a women's meeting and you're the only one not wearing a headscarf and said that you're the one who will have trouble integrating with the group, well naturally you're going to look for places where you feel more comfortable.

It is such a shame what has happened to Germany and so many other w European countries without any sort of referendum or input from the people. The liberals will never hold it to a vote though because they know the majority of citizens would vote against becoming Islamized. If I were German I sure as hell would leave - especially if I had kids. When there's numerous grade schools where speakers of the local language are a minority you know this is the future of the country. I highly doubt that the neckbeards and ninja ladies will be so kind to the European kuffars once their numbers are so great that they're able to have candidates winning important elections. And just like with all societies, you'll have leaders that are extreme. I could definitely see a situation in Germany, France, Sweden, etc. in several decades where Muslims have enacted all sorts of sharia type laws and begin calling for the expulsion of the remaining natives, seize property without compensation, etc. It is entirely possible too that before that happens there will be a major clash between Muslims in Europe, especially as they seize more and more power and control of the nation, and native Europeans, who now have nothing to left to lose and are at their breaking point, and it won't just be words or protests.

.....sounds curious...where to do they leave?

I would have liked a link because...frankly...that article is all about "IMHO"...a very free interpretation. I guess all these Germans moving freely inside the EU are also counted?

And if it's those countries from the list I posted, it can't be because of so many "furreigners", heh:) These countries have more of them than Germany does.

Actually the rumour Germans are leaving Germany in droves because so many foreigners are moving in is...well...I can't take that seriously. That would be a topic in Germany by now too.

there's nothing soft about money... to rework an old phrase: money doesn't talk, it swears

the point is that despite its undoubted financial might Germany isn't.... liked by most Europeans (the way the UK or France or Italy or even the US is liked).

this means it can force other countries in the EU to follow but it can't.... lead and it really, really, really wants to lead and we're back to the German problem which has not changed much...

Oh not that old spiel again....Germany wins regularly popularity surveys!

2013:


bbc.com/news/world-europe-22624104

2016:


fortune.com/2016/01/20/germany-best-country-usnews

2017:


edition.cnn.com/2017/11/17/world/nation-brand-ranking-trnd/index.html

Don't you ever tire of repeating the same old lies?


What is your version of "leading"? Singing a song in English??? :)

PS: This BBC Poll got an update in 2017

Now Germany dropped a few points behind new best country Canada...with Japan winning the third place. I can live with that...I like all three! :)



globescan.com/sharp-drop-in-world-views-of-us-uk-global-poll

Only one of those is actually about people's attitudes and that's before the pivotal year of 2015 when Germany was busy beating up Greece and interfering in other countries' border policies.

for a more nuanced view see:

pewglobal.org/2017/06/15/favorable-views-of-germany-dont-erase-concerns-about-its-influence-within-eu

When you look close it's not a picture of a country with a lot of soft power, a lot of theoretical like that doesn't transfer into trust or affection.

FWIW, I personally like a lot of things about Germany and enjoy a fair amount of its popular culture... not Helene Fischer, she's awful but I used to like German pop years ago when I had some German music channels. I'm also very fond of the language (my voice sounds better in German than in any other language for some weird reason).

This is pretty great (whatever happened to them?)

youtube.com/watch?v=cqlgmu6uZjQ

Thank you!

From you own link:


Which also proves AGAIN that your own personal opinion about Germany doesn't count for *** !

Maybe you should mark your statements in the future as that what they are, your own personal opinion, and not facts!

And thanks again for that link....Spike will hate that:



Whupping 80% of the Poles view Germany favorable...who would have thought! :)

I like Germany, guess that doesn't count for schiess (misspelled on purpose)

But you missed the two most important chunks

"In each European country surveyed, those who favor the EU are more likely to express a positive opinion of Germany"

Is the EU more or less popular now than 5 years ago? How many significant (if minority) anti-EU parties 5 years ago? How many are there now?

Crucially, the country that Germany has experienced German power most intimately is not one that is fond of Germany (even if many Greeks still go there for the money).

"When it comes to EU decision-making, the prevailing view in five of nine European nations is that Germany has too much influence. This view is most common in Greece, Spain and Italy."

But you're making my point for me. Popularity isn't that big a deal. Poland isn't popular and most Polish people don't much care. Germany is popular but isn't popular enough to be acclaimed as EU leader (the role it clearly wants) and that seems to upset many Germans...

More German music I like (again, whatever happened to him?)

youtube.com/watch?v=gMqIuAJ92tM

Not "even", but "because"....and frankly...I can live with that. Because I fear the only way to gain greek support would have been gifting them as much hard cash as they want.


Totally wrong!!!

That's the one role Germany never wanted. The EU was meant as a carriage led by two horses, France and Germany. It was clear from the beginning (after WWII) that Germany would take a backseat and concentrate more on feeding the new Union...being the economical motor. The more glamorous role was for France, it was to be the face, the outside image, the do the show...the head...with Germany the heart.

It was the weakness of France during the last decade which FORCED Germany upfront, never by choice. And there are alot of Germans wishing for France to come back to fulfill it's role so that we can slink back again. Believe me!


Well...you manage post after post with stating how unpopular Germany is...it seems to matter a great deal to you.

Germany's past will continue to weight on the country for many years to come despite the fact that we are now 73 years after the end of the WWII. Undoubtedly, Germany has changed very much for the better since then, but the WWII was too heavy a burden imposed on Europe for the people to easily forget about it even within the space of one hundred years. I think Germany should accept this fact and simply continue its mostly good work towards a new German mentality in a new German society, which practically means no Obermenschen or Untermenschen.

Even the WWI is still well remembered in Europe after one hundred years, although people from the so-called "rotten" West have an increasing tendency to blame the Serbian Gavrilo Princip as one of the decisive factors (while in fact he was only a spark for the fire which would have outburst sooner or later) in the outbreak of that war, possibly to take off some of the blame from the said "rotten" West.

And not a meeting place of equals after all?


Again! The German problem in a nutshell, Germany will always run rings around the rest of the continent economically which means (if German financial interests are allowed to take a dominant position) that sooner or later German interests and the interests of the other countries will come into conflict.

That can be avoided by keeping financial interests on a short leash, but successive German governments chose not to do that and now that (among other reasons) has led to a situation where German financial interests begin to play an outsize role in other countries political processes - which will naturally lead to resentment.

The German problem - it's doomed to be too powerful to be a team player, (imagine Rinaldo trying to play for Luxembourg national team)

More German music I like (best schlager song ever, though I'm not entirely sure if it's German or Austrian...)

youtube.com/watch?v=SHwDkpewYpo