Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

Ouch

You are best example that Poles needs shocking therapy. I giving my best man but, you refuse to see it. Gavrilo saved those like you and you are still stubborn. You grasped that what Gavrilo gave to you and that is for admiration but, you are ashamed of it at the same time. Then like a butterfly, you again hurry in the light. But its wrong light. Its dark-light. I mean, it must be when it killing Poland. No, nothing of your energy to change things in Poland if you don`t remove source of problem.

Refuse outside dictate. Then you will have new golden age of Poland.

Apologies, Bratwurst Boy! You did indeed, agree. So sorry for misreading your response:-)

@Maf

Another German, far more illustrious than Lady Angie, namely Friedrich Nietzsche once wrote, "What does not kill me makes me stronger."
Guess Merkel's trying some character building.

By letting foreigners kill German citizens.... interesting technique.

You've got a hard on for her (MILF complex?) but she's long past her due date and the quicker she (and her martyrdom complex) are out the better.

Your posts far exceed "shock therapy". They are a cruel and unusual torture. If you want to give Poles practical advice what to do next, do just that instead of preachy, incoherent and disconnected sentences.

Now how would you know that? Instead, the facts are that Poles are in the huge majority very subdued and serious on Independence Day.
Happy to correct you on that simple fact. But it wont stop you talking as if you actually know anything about present day life on the streets.

I didn't realize that I have such an impact on your life @Bratwurst Boy :-) I'll try not to abuse it. With great power comes great responsibility.

I'm honest in that I only care so much about Germany as much it directly affects Poland.

The mainstream media outlets does not criticize Germany: it is usually a regular people and niche media who call out this madness. Huge mass media outlets defend and support even the most dangerous [dangerous to a regular German or Swedish 'Joe', not to them] decisions such us wide open borders policy of Angela Merkel.

Are you feeling better knowing that Süddeutsche Zeitung, BBC and CNN will tap you on the shoulder saying "Good German, obedient German" for supporting the changes which are going to destroy your country in the future?


I'm still optimistic that some minds are capable of processing new information and make use of it in their process of thinking. Obviously it won't happen instantly and it will only "affect" a selected few but a sound argument which is heard more than once and from different sources may do wonders.

Man, I didn`t even started.

And where is the monument to Gavrilo in Poland? Its he who removed outside problem. BDW, Adam Mickiewicz predicted that Serbs are solution for Poles. He told it to Prince Czartorisky. Mickiewicz didn`t say French or British or Germans or Vatican are solution. He said SERBS. He was quite specific.

Really, why not monument to Gavrilo in Poland? Whom Poles feel to insult by that monument? Whom? Killers of Poland????

"Spared the death sentence because he was not yet 20, Princip died of tuberculosis in his jail cell in 1918."
Even his God didn't like him. Neither did the 10 million who died in WW1.

Some people on here like to dimiss us "Plastic Poles" as irelevent....

m.youtube.com/watch?v=adbcUq6sVsk

This thread is without decency if without image of Racow Gavrilo. So let me put some decency here, when nobody else don`t have a nerve to behave decently.

Gavrilo was convinced Serbian and Slavic patriot. Most importantly he was ultimate hero by every measure and in every sense of the word, ready to sacrifice himself to put down enemy of his people.



Modern technical-colored photo of Gavrilo Princip





Gavrilo, hero of Poland.

From the Austrian court records > words of Racow Gavrilo >

He was filth... a degenerate, as are you if you worship the little murderer

Only one way to make freedom. To take the gun and put tyrant down. To bleed. It is truth since the beginning of time and it will stay truth till the humanity exist. No robot will change that.

And Germanics and Vatican created golden cage to put all Slavs in it, Poles included. And when they rejoiced how all goes by the plan, how Slavs slowly germanize, how Slavs feel less and less Slavic, Gavrilo came, Serbian dragon, and broke the cage. Oh, how they hate Serbs for that. And fear. And how we Serbians love their fear and their hate. So that Rome knows that Sarmatia didn`t die. That children of Sindidun still kicking.

THAT. That`s the truth that must be said. That is why Poland is free. Because we Serbs feel as we feel. To us, Rome and Constantinople, its all the same. Partnership yes, NO to slavery!

He stood against Austria, an occupying force in his country, others would refer to him as a freedom fighter.

In the US, he would be a terrorist serving life-no-parole at the Florence Supermax. There, he would be free to plan WW3.
"others would refer to him as a freedom fighter." Others referred to the 9/11 19 also as freedom fighters.

An entire generation of young English men was fed into a meat grinder and millions of young English women died single and childless because of that SOB... have you no loyalty at all to England?

I do, but without this fella igniting WWII there would not have been no Polish II republic. After all it was the governments of Britain and France who chose to sacrifice their people, look at Blair and Bush who did the same in Iraq based on lies about non existent wmd's.

The boy did what he did against Austrians who had invaded his country.

You kicked the Brits out of you country didn't you.

Poland kicked the prussians out of Poland helped by the actions of this one guy.

Do you know that Austrians were an occupying force in Poland.

Would you berate this guy if he was Polish and had shot Stalin?

You aint Polish are you

Do I remember the fallen from all nations on remembrance day Yes I do.

Oops should have been WWI

"The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I was about 40 million: estimates range from 15 to 19 million deaths and about 23 million wounded military personnel, ranking it among the deadliest conflicts in human history."

How many millions of dead and wounded non-Poles was Poland's freedom worth? Is 40 just right? How about 60? Too many or still not enough?

The ends justify the means? Youv'e given up any right to complain about any aspect of the PRL

Ask yourself who creates these wars? , not the people that's for sure.

Do you agree that people within a country may rightfully wish to be free from foreign occupation and determine their own path.

Then using your and Rich's logic, I say respectfully that america should not have sacrificed lives in the war of independence against the imperial rule of Britain

How many lives lost?

Should I mention the US Civil war, citizen against citizen, how many lives was that worth 40, 60, how many Rich tell me.


Fighting for freedom from foreign rule and slavery is always worth it, Who are you to lecture me on the PRL? Do you know anything about Poland other than PRL and pyrogi.

Tell the Catholic Church that, for they were actively preaching against Polish independence from the pulpit in the 19th century.

What utter bollocks.
The 19th century is irrelevent.
Pope John Paul II in 1989 mattered.

The Partitions are irrelevant? Really?

America sacrificed the American lives for America. Big difference between that and the post-fact justification of the millions of dead non-Poles for Poland.
We are all happy that Poland became Poland again in 1918. Saying that the 40 million dead and wounded who were not Polish was worth it is another matter. And it's utterly sick.

How many Polish lives would be worth to make Tibet free today?

.hmmm do you mean pierogi?

I have nothing against fighting against foreign occupation, but spur of the moment assassinations (with no idea of what could come of it) are monumentally stupid and brought about massive loss of life for no good reason.

What would have happened to Poland had a young hothead assassinated a high ranking member of the politburo in 1956? or 1968? or 1981?

Hmm...."hindsight is twenty/twenty", or so they say.

You can't put Europe's suicide on Princip's shoulders. Sure, he delivered the spark, but all powers back then where chafing at their bits to to start the fire...if not him, it would have been something/somebody else.

In the same vein he isn't responsible for Polands independence...that wasn't on his mind at all...

Well I know what would not happened if Jaruzelski was assassinated in 1981. He wouldn't end up being a bedridden dirty old man who molested his caretaker. And then he wouldn't fake convert to Catholicism right before his dead. There are no atheists in foxholes.

So all in all, it's good that he survived to show everyone how miserable human being he was. If he was killed, some commies would made him a martyr, like that bloodthirsty butcher Che Guevara.

Yes, they would definitely put Jaruzel on their banners if the end of his life wasn't so comical :-)

quite possibly, some conflict was baked in at that point, but it's possible that other scenarios wouldn't have been quite so devastating

Of course. Official politics of Vatican is to support bigger Catholic power, wealthiest Catholic magnate, etc.

Now, you also have that general trait of all European non-Slavs who would all tell you how Slavs are inferior. And that necessity to degrade Slavs (ie Sarmats) exist from Greek and Roman times and via early middle ages during era of slavery and as it was later defined as `Drang Nach Osten`. Meaning, every push against Slavs is justified. Grab what you can from Slavs, people, land, whatever. You can say how are Slavs outlawed by Christian Churches. Sure, its publicly untold but, whenever Church (Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant) leaders can they will support non-Slavs against Slavs. On example of Poland, you have that additional problem that all Catholics are better Catholics then Poles and more desirable to rule Europe.

So, to put it in modern context. If for example France occupy Poland, you think Poland will resist? I think resistance would be very weak. Catholic Church would subdue Poles and make them content to new rulers.