Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

Quarter million Polish patriots have marched on the streets of Warsaw in celebration of the Independence Day. Unity makes strength.

All the criticism of such an event sounds like a silent fart next to a Thunder :-]

youtu.be/k98_6793bkk




Wrong, Bratwurst Boy:

Patriots = Love their country and want what's best for it.

Nationalists: = Love their nation and want what's best for it.

Nazis and Fascists = Hate other countries and wish them the worst

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation, (...) The political ideology of nationalism holds that a nation should govern itself, free from outside interference and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a common ancestry.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Also I attended the march yesterday from 3-9pm and in that time I didn't see any racists. It was pretty much all families and students. I seen a black guy happily enjoying himself and a few Indian people, it was nice. Just by the 'law of averages' I should have seen at least some skinheads due to the shear number of people but nope, now the question is why the propaganda? Also I would say that estimates of 200k+ attendees are about right.

Really? So not only you missed the Italian self-declared fascists, but you also missed this?

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1061709307220246528

See, it's very obvious what the agenda is at the minute - you're posting everywhere that "everything was calm, everything was peaceful"...meanwhile, the police are hunting down plenty of people for various crimes committed.


HAHAHA. Of course it was, of course it was. You're just repeating the "party line" from the nationalists, nothing more. Where are these families and students? Why do you and your type always present pictures from completely different occasions, pretending that they were from this event?


What strength? All I saw was a bunch of villagers on a yearly excursion to a big city, nothing more.

What's your problem? I was actually there, your not going to convince me of what I saw with my own eyes. My phone is full of videos and pictures from yesterday there were no incidents that I saw which is weird considering the amount of people. Just for context every year in Vancouver we have 'the celebration of lights' and every single year there's at least ten to fifteen fist fights that I see with my own eyes. I was absolutely ready to see that yesterday considering the amount of alcohol consumed in Poland. Still scratching my head as to why I didn't at least see some young testosterone fueled dummies going at it.

Independence Day for Poland must be indeed a challenge.

On the one hand, there are those who rightly, proudly, celebrate Poland's eventual freedom from Russian domination nearly one-hundred years ago on Sunday past, once of twice within one century. On the other hand, the PiS has an agenda which justifiably concerns the EU gravely. So many issues, so many opinions, so little coming together.

Hey, sounds a bit like Israel:-)

Not really. Most cities and towns have peaceful, unified parades and events where everyone celebrates equally regardless of political views. The hatred that the Western media sees is confined to a handful of events.

Reminds me of the opposite in my childhood concerning protests during the late '60's, early '70's against the Vietnam War, whereby the press made it seem

as though there were far FEWER anti-war protesters than there actually were!

Once you got out of a few large, liberal cities and university campuses there were no protests and support for US involvement was pretty high.

Did that change at all during the course of the war?

People got sick of it (Americans - short attention spans) but the idea that everybody (again outside some northern cities and university campuses) was against the war is rewriting history. Some people wanted out but through victory than simple withdrawal (and of course the government lied about how feasible that was for as long as possible).

All in all it was a stupid venture (the more you know about Vietnam the stupider it seems) but it wasn't as divisive as media would have you believe.

No, it was when the U.S. military shot and killed seventeen unarmed students on their campus at Kent State University protesting the war is when America said WTF ! ENOUGH !

Now back on topic.

Actually they weren't aiming at the ones shot, they were collateral damage (and I heard lots of folks say they should have shot the protestors or prosecute them as accessories...).

Thank you Maf, much appreciated. I know shockingly little about it beyond the big picture, where it seems to have been a ridiculous idea from the very beginning. I guess the Americans also overestimated their own capabilities to actually win a war there.

Keep to the topic please

"I know shockingly little...."

Then you'd be a perfect candidate for Fox 5 News:-) Only don't ever be alone with Bill O'Reilly. Hear he's a regular wolfLOL

Why? Because he is a runt. Had been bullied at school and he became bitter and resentful. So he learned to use his intelligence as a tool to verbally get back at anyone he can. Most likely he doesn't believe in 70% of the crap he is spewing here. He does it in order to get under posters skin, its boots his ego, he feels powerful and dominant as in the opposite of the real world. Hence his constant harping about soccer hooligans, bald rowdy big men and such. All screams about big complexes, and a fear of physical confrontation. .

Just ignore him if he bothers you.


PiS has little to do with this march. They just would like very much claim it as their own but it isn't and never was.


Really? Is that how you justify attack of Antifa scum on the Tucker Carlson's family?

I see, so they're there merely for "entertainment value" just in case the lefties get too comfortable, I suppose.

No, that's how I explain the spread of such manure from the Trump White House as DEFENDED by the likes of Hannity & Co.

I've never said that there are hordes of fascists there Dolno, but in previous years there has been trouble at that march, and I don't think it's only so-called leftie news sources that have reported this either. I haven't heard too much negative reporting about this years march, so that's good. To be honest, I have always thought it is a small minority of people who cause the trouble in relation to the numbers attending. Hope you enjoyed your day out, did you go to the Warsaw or Wrocław one?

Doubled. Processions and marches are not my thing, but it's good that this one seems to have passed off without making the news for the wrong reasons. Thank God that's over and we can all get back to normal.

The Christmas season is coming and just maybe we can all have some fun instead of this wearing seriousness.

It is, especially considering it was the 100 years one, first time in a fair few years it's passed off without incident I think.

This is how the World celebrated Polish Independence Day

New York



Dubai ,Burj Khalifa



Egypt



Hungary



Paris

More lies from Spike, because the bottom picture is actually from Euro 2016.

Still, nice to see him publish the one from New York, which was paid for by na:Temat (owned partially by Tomasz Lis).

Nazis and Fascists have their grounding in nationalism, they build on that, they march side by side with torches...and you are correct, all of them hate other countries and wish them the worst. They are all the reason for conflicts and war.

They appeal to primitive man's fear of and wonder at fire along with his fascination with fire in motion, namely torchlight parades (Fackelzuege) for which Hitler's minions were so famous, just like in the Middle Ages, when bigots burned a man for daring to be different. Furthermore, they pander to the lowest common denominator, still alive in modern man.

The more things change, the more they stay the same, so it seems.

That's a misinterpretation. Their grounding was in national chauvinism not a nationalism

"Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people.

Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior"

Don't speak to me in neo marxist newspeak, Bratwurst Boy. Don't insult the intelligence of PolishForums members :-)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvinism

And here's the link to Eiffel Tower illumination for Polish Independence Day...

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1061675186313924609

Niagara Falls, Canada



Los Angeles, US



Helsinki, Finland



And New Zealand

Where exactly is the difference? You said it yourself:


The hate for other people and countries stems after all from this irrational belief of one's own superiority! It's a natural consequence, it goes hand in hand.

You only want a white Europe or a "Poland for the Poles" when you belief other races and people are bad...a kind of poisoning of the pure, the good and clean ones.

Can't you see a clear difference between Nationalism and Chauvinism?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

So yes, Poland wants to be free from outside interference and wants to keep its national identity based on culture, language, religion (...)

and

Chauvinism is a form of extreme patriotism and a belief in national superiority and glory. Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people".[1] Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior.

Just because in Germany nationalism lead to chauvinism doesn't mean that other countries can't have a healthy nationalism. You'll have to accept that Germans may be not the smartest nation on this planet and others can handle things better than you do.

O maybe I'm overestimating you Bratwurst Boy. You aren't on the same intellectual level as, let's say, delphiandomine, are you?

....and why is that so? Because of that:


You think you are something better than all the dregs around you...that's why you want to keep to yourself...to stay "pure" (better)...not mixing up...because that would make you somewhat "less", right?

Just be honest!


= hates/feels superior to other countries and people!

Thank you! :)

@Bratwurst Boy, all jokes no substance, yes? :-)

No "national identity based on culture, language, religion" doesn't directly translates into "belief in national superiority"

One can value and protect his own cultural identity and integrity without feeling superior to the others, especially in an aggressive way.

Why don't you start with yourself?

Try to write a post without hitting me for my german nationality...you are a nationalist hater par excellence. Don't try to hide your nastiness behind patriotism (or smileys)!

Patriot = loves his country

Nationalist = hates other countries!

Busted.

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1061721477941207041

They already clarified that it was a mistake. Seems to me as if you have a credibility problem.

Still, now we have three separate people here claiming to have attended the march on Sunday, yet none of them have provided any evidence for it ;)