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Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
7 Nov 2018  #421
"guests" from abroad?

They are called useful idiots, do you think they are there by chance, funded from their own pockets?

There are radical left leaning foreign elements funding this type of action on the streets and the internet.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,100    
7 Nov 2018  #422
do you think they are there by chance, funded from their own pockets?

Do you think that a railway ticket from Budapest to Warsaw is so expensive?

Last year, the then interior minister Mariusz Błaszczak could not see racist banners like "Only white Europe" (Europa tylko biała) with his own eyes during the march. Perhaps he could not, but the police force he supervised could not see them either. This year the interior minister pays 1000 zloties in addition to each policeman who will work on the 11the of November (many of the police force have been on strike which takes the form of a sick leave). Doesn't the Polish state become "theoretical" again?

The mad dreams of psudo-Poles living abroad may not include the above factors, but you live in Niederschlesien, Dolno, a province which today is Polish, so you should know all this.
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
7 Nov 2018  #423
This is no good decision by HGW.

I agree, I don't like the thing but it's not the mayor's call minus extenuating circumstances which I don't thinke exist (yet).

She wants to manipulate the government into defending the march

Yeah, it's become a hot potato that the political establishment doesn't want
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
7 Nov 2018  #424
dreams of psudo-Poles living abroad may not include the above factors, but you live in Niederschlesien, Dolno, a province which today is Polish

Sorry I can't make out what you are trying to say, can you explain please.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,864    
7 Nov 2018  #425
In Poland, white lives still matter. No so much west of poland..

"Only white Europe" (Europa tylko biała) with his own eyes during the march. Perhaps he could not, but the police force he supervised could not.

Rather they wanted the same thing. The european countries that havent been ravaged by multiculturalism are the ones that dont suffer regular terror attacks, have scores of women gang raped, children groomed, etc. And the police, government, all know that.

Thats why poland left the un migration agreement. Poles dont want a bunch of africans and muslims ******* up our country.
cms neuf - | 580    
7 Nov 2018  #426
Dirk this thread is about the independence day march - nothing to do with Muslims and all to do with these guys wanting to celebrate 100 years of independence.
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
7 Nov 2018  #427
I think it's a terrible decision

Sure it is. Her decision is not definitive, though. The organizers are about to submit an appellation.

This way or another the Independence March will take place cause no one can stop free Polish citizens from marching on the streets of Warsaw with a Polish flag in hands.

And since Poles in general hates when someone tries to take those liberties from them, I presume that the march will be even bigger now, than it would be if not banned.

In Europe AD 2018 the choice is simple.

Either this:



Or that:


Dirk diggler 7 | 3,864    
7 Nov 2018  #428
nothing to do with Muslims and all to do with these guys wanting to celebrate 100 years of independence.

Yes, and keep their independence. Hence the signs biala europa, polska dla polakow, etc. Poles dont want to lose their independence by now being occupied by third worlders and become like uk, france, etc where the natives are a minority in their own capitals and major cities. Poles dont want that ****.
cms neuf - | 580    
7 Nov 2018  #429
Have you booked your flights already ?
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
7 Nov 2018  #430
Looks like there will be an official government march at the same time and place.

Will the "grassroots conservatives" turn up? ;)

Generally speaking, genius move by HGW and Morawiecki. The fascists will stay home, HGW looks good for banning it, PiS will get a big march and no-one has to worry about getting enough police to protect the fascists.

The best part is knowing that the poor nationalist snowflakes will have bought their tickets / reserved buses already, so they've lost their money, hahahaha :D
cms neuf - | 580    
7 Nov 2018  #431
This is dreadful !

Its wednesday. A march is planned now for sunday but its a new event and presumably neefs proper security or heads of state.

Meabwhile probably a third of the right wing nuts will turn up intent on violence

The whole fiasco shows Polands government at its worst
Atch 16 | 2,639    
7 Nov 2018  #432
Looks like there will be an official government march at the same time and place.

Very last minute isn't it. I don't know why they don't have a carnival type thing instead every year from now on, like St Patrick's Day with floats and community involvement, a celebration of Polish culture, art, traditions etc. and like Ireland they could have them all over the country. Even when Ireland was very poor, every little village in Bally-go-Backwards had a 'parade'. They used to show highlights of them on the evening news. It was often something as basic as a few farmers going up the main street on their tractors, followed by their pize heifer decked out with green, white and gold ribbons and with the hundred or so villagers standing by waving flags :) It was hilarious really but it was a day when the whole nation was celebrating. The atmosphere was always great. Now why couldn't you have the same thing in Poland?
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
7 Nov 2018  #433
cms - maybe it's not so bad. It will mean no problems with violence (unless they turn on PiS for this stunt), no problems with racist banners, and it means the transformation of the event into an ordinary political rally.

PiS will bus their supporters in for the day, plenty of flags will be waved, but they'll demand that only red and white flags get waved. Meanwhile, butthurt nationalists won't get their yearly trip to the big city.

Dare I say it, but this is a good solution to a bad problem.
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
7 Nov 2018  #434
Have you booked your flights already ?

I did, and I'm going.

I a meantime I checked how strong, from a legal point of view, is that decision of Mayor of Warsaw .

The results are interesting: according to Polish law only the Masovian Voivode has legal power to allow or disallow such a regular public events as an Independence March in Warsaw.

It looks like the Mayor of Warsaw has abused her power so a court appellation submitted by march organizers right after her unlawful decision was a smart move.

So, it looks like those are just usual political games from Civic Platform (or a "deep state" if you prefer) but something which looks good in mass media won't fly in the court.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
7 Nov 2018  #435
according to Polish law only the Masovian Voivode has legal power to allow or disallow such a regular public events as an Independence March

No, not quite correct. According to the law, cyclical gatherings are approved or denied by the provincial governor (or Voivode), but the law on assemblies allows the elected head of local governments (president/mayor/head of commune) to ban such an event if life, health or property is threatened. The appeal process is set out - they have 24 hours to appeal to the Sąd Okregowy. The court must rule within 24 hours, which means on Friday afternoon. The organisers must then appeal within 24 hours to the Sąd Apelacyjny, which has in turn 24 hours to deliver a final verdict.

In short, HGW left it until the last minute on purpose. Given how quickly Morawiecki and Duda agreed on a government-organised march, this was clearly the plan from the beginning on both sides. A pro-government march won't need heavy policing, the opposition will agree to let PiS march without interference, PiS will get red/white flags everywhere without flares/racist banners and everyone wins.

A nice, elegant and good example of political cooperation.
Dougpol1 26 | 2,146    
7 Nov 2018  #436
Excellent. This illegal race hatred has gone more than far enough.
Now all they need to do is sack that Ziobro scum and we can all relax a little.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,864    
7 Nov 2018  #437
Excellent. This illegal race hatred has gone more than far enough.

Won't change the majority Polish people's opinions.

Neither will it prevent Poles from celebrating the way they desire - some will sit at home and enjoy the day off, some will go to dinner with family, some will march, some of those marchers will unfurl banners that represent what most Poles desire but many are too scared to say due to pc. Fact remains Poles don't want their demographics or society to be changed like W Europe's have
Dougpol1 26 | 2,146    
7 Nov 2018  #438
Spike - such race hatred would be illegal in the UK. This country of Poland is a modern state and because of the liberal nature of the system and the citizenry, the nationalist mob has been tolerated for far too long.

All hail HGW!
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,864    
7 Nov 2018  #439
Spike - such race hatred would be illegal in the UK.

ROFL! Oh please... there's countless videos showing the racism and hatred towards Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. that Muslims preach in their schools - which get awards and money from the state and even royal family...

Besides, Poland doesn't want to be like the UK - Poles want to remain the majority in our own capital and not have sharia courts, mosques and ninjas everywhere thank you very much.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,864    
7 Nov 2018  #440
Sejm debate re gronkowiec's decision:
youtube.com/watch?v=hxoXdVGfZcA

Live version:
youtube.com/watch?v=6yt0w18io0U

Poles will march under Bog Honor Ojczyzna - just as it will now say on the Polish passport!
Dougpol1 26 | 2,146    
7 Nov 2018  #441
Dirk, flares and racist chanting would lead to riots in America. Why would Poland be any different?
People have said enough is enough. This is a turning point against Poland's nationalist scum.
The debate is typical Polish politics. Why don't they debate poverty, or the pathetic state of Polish towns throughout the land?
Populism.
Wankers.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
7 Nov 2018  #442
As I have said before,some of these Brit posters,living in Poland,STILL do not understand the Polish mentality!
Polish pride and patriotism is not like anything they have ever experienced in The UK,unless they are very old.......
I guess if they don't understand it now,they never will....and will continue to see it as somehow fascistic....
We tried guys.......and failed.....
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,864    
7 Nov 2018  #443
Of course they won't understand Polish patriotism. For one, Polish history, mentality and society is very different from the UK. Second, expressing patriotism is frowned upon in the UK and immediately equated with Nazism, fascism, racism, etc. In the UK, if you support your country and want to preserve British culture you're automatically labeled a racist, islamaphobe, etc.. Hell even writing posts stating facts about the problems migrants or a multicultural society have caused will get you fined or even arrested. That's not the case in Poland. In fact, it's the opposite. Most people are patriotic mainly due to Poland's history, society, culture, etc. and thus express their views with zero care about what people in western Europe think. People in the west can throw whatever -ism they want against Polish people - it won't change a thing. We'd much rather be called a few words than accept a bunch of terrorists and provide for third wolders for generations. Poland is for Poles - first and foremost, and the majority of Poles agree with that and do not want migration of others. Even with Ukranian migration half of Poles are against it - and they're culturally similar. With Africans, Muslims, etc? No way - vast majority is against it.

Dirk, flares and racist chanting would lead to riots in America. Why would Poland be any different?

They've never lead to riots in Poland. Every single year the march goes with very, very few incidents. And if you don't like the racist banners don't look at them. Join the few dozen odd-balls with red commie flags and gay pride rainbows. Just don't get in the marchers way, lest you want your teeth removed by the floor of a police of a van.

And no it wouldn't. We have a little something called free speech and freedom of assembly. People can even display swastikas if they desire. Most of the people attending such rallies in the US are losers with little to no career prospects and likely reside with their parents - on both sides. The point is though they have the freedom to do that and say whatever they want.

People have said enough is enough. This is a turning point against Poland's nationalist scum.

Ummm no they haven't... the only people who said enough is enough is German bootlickers from PO - the EU's prostitutes in Poland.

Just watch - if anything there'll be more nationalists and banners than ever - if anything they'll even be more provocative just to spite euro lovers like gronkowiec.
lonpol 7 | 70    
7 Nov 2018  #444
Basically we have the following situation

People who either think native Europeans becoming a minority in their own nations is a) a good idea or b) wont happen.

The next set of people think it will happen ( indeed in many areas has happened ) and do not think it is a good idea.

We will never see eye to eye.

There is no debate at this point.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,864    
7 Nov 2018  #445
People who either think native Europeans becoming a minority in their own nations is a) a good idea or b) wont happen.

Well thankfully majority of Poles are firmly against migration from Middle East and Africa - Western Europe can burn for all I care. And that's what's happening basically - nonstop terror, years of state of emergency, thousands of rapes, child grooming, tens of billions supporting people with no intention of working, mosques and sharia courts sprouting up like mushrooms on ****...

Not in Poland... No way... Poles don't want that. That's why Poland just left the UN migration pact along with US, Austria and Hungary. You keep your migrants and remain a minority in your own capital cities, Poles are content remaining the majority and being the masters of our own country. Just because you screwed up your own countries and now are a minority in your own capitals and have your leaders telling you that 'terror is now part of life' doesn't mean we're going to accept that.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
7 Nov 2018  #446
patriotism is frowned upon in the UK and immediately equated with Nazism, fascism, racism, etc. In the UK

My point exactly Dirk.
These Brits are seeing Polish patriotism through British eyes and it just doesn't work....if you become fluent in a language,it does not mean that you understand every nuance or joke.....these guys are just not getting it.
lonpol 7 | 70    
7 Nov 2018  #447
Makes me laugh when they say the cost of the Police is too much.

After this decision they will need twice as many ;)

10 just to deal with me
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
7 Nov 2018  #448
such race hatred would be illegal in the UK.

What is "race hatred"? Just a line or something that can be defined. Can you give me an example of a sentence with "race hatred" that is illegal in the UK.

Do you agree with the UK laws that make that sentence illegal? Or are you too scared to post such a sentence?
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
7 Nov 2018  #449
After this decision they will need twice as many ;)

They won't. As the government will be in attendance, the Żandarmeria Wojskowa will provide security along with the WOT forces.

Only the nationalists have lost here - both PiS and the opposition won.

It'll be hilarious to see nationalists marching like neutered cats.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
7 Nov 2018  #450
If you hate Poles and Poland so much,why don't you return to Scotland?
Just wondering.....



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