Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

The article is from last year.


What were you saying about commies banning things again?

Why don't gay parades have a place in Poland ? We either have free speech or we don't

The football hooligans have every right to march but so do the gays. I know which one is going to lead to more violence and anti social behavior

Because the Communists were also against them, that's why.

PiS supporters seem to be remarkably in tune with how things were in the good old PZPR days.

If you were Polish you would know the answer to that question.

Gay parades are NOT the subject of this topic if people want to discuss gay parades can you please post in the appropriate thread.

Anyway as I said the postmortem in Mondays press will be interesting.

Are you saying that to be Polish, you have to like censorship and be against free speech?

That's an interesting concept.

Yes, and since the last 12 months the whole city has made an U-turn and everything has changed for so much better. One would simply not recognize the place and its population :-P

You're a bit dim witted, aren't you? :-D

Errm yes if it involves half naked adults prancing around the street simulating sex , but never mind you are from a different background where you have been educated to accept deviancy as a norm.

So we are clear.

de·vi·ant
1.departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.

I will not reply to further posts that deviate from the main topic.

Poland does unfortunately. They were banned up until recently, when common sense and majoritys wish stopped prevailing, but thats another story. Dont think homos will ever miss a chance to push their agenda, whetger its the Olympics, july 4 in the us, etc. Poland being a country where the majority rejects gay marraige is no different. Instead of keeping their perversions in the bedroom they feel the need to advertise their sexuality without a care in the world that most people dont want to see that ****. Even the kinkiest hetero people dont do that. Have u ever seen a bunch of people into polyamory or bdsm stage a march? No. Bc they dont care to shove their views down peoples throats. Instead they have their own private clubs, sites, etc.

Man i wish kadyrov was in charge of security in poland...

You want a Muslim who called for jihad against Christians and who was responsible for building one of Europe's biggest mosques to be in charge of security in Poland?

WTF man... Bloody hell, just no, no, no.

But we have to suffer the Ultras "shoving their views down peoples' throats"? What's the difference? Subjective much?

Itd be worth it. After he gets rid of the pedaly, poles could then get rid of him. Then theyd look like heroes in front of the eu for 'promoting lgbt rights' and probably get more money too. At the same time there wouldnt be gays calling for marraige and pride parades thus appeasing the polish majority and the right wing. Win win.

Karydov is a boss. Too bad i cant follow him on instagram anymore


Atleast theyre fully clothed and most poles support patriots. Gay marraige, not so much.

I think Western Europeans don't understand Poilish Patriotism.The kind of patriotism we had in The UK till WW2.
The Yanks still get it......West Europeans love to label it as Fascism..yeah,there may may well be some extreme right wing nut heads in there,

But contrary to what all the leftie posters on here would have you believe,most of the people that turn out for these demos are just ordinary,patriotic Poles.

Ordinary Poles who just happen to like tight trousers and strong lager

*imagines masses of Germans with german and other flags walking down the Streets of Berlin*

How would Poles react? Serious question here....

I think we understand it perfectly. It seems to be expressed through drinking beer and having crap tattoos while wearing clothes with national symbols on them, while actually doing nothing to improve the lives of others.


Just ordinary, patriotic Poles:





These people have nothing in common with real Polish patriots. Why are so many people not living in Poland obsessed with trying to equate them to real Polish heroes?

For me, a real Polish patriot is the local librarian, who does a tremendous amount of community work while promoting literacy among the population. That's what we need more, not drunk idiots on the streets.

Yeah,yeah.....stick to your agenda.....despite living in Poland for many years.
You still don't "get" The Poles,do you?

I get them perfectly, which is why I understand that the event in Warsaw is not reflective of the wider society.

Perhaps this is your definition of "Poles", then?

Attacking the police in Lublin:



Or perhaps even doing the Nazi salute outside the City Hall in Wrocław:



Is that the image you want to broadcast to the world, really?

I think you answered your own question, the armchair Poles live vicariously through figures that most people in Poland want nothing to do with....

Perhaps you prefer to stir up tensions with Ukranians:




It seems so, doesn't it?

The support for these groups is marginal at best, and that's despite them existing for years. Most Poles want absolutely nothing to do with them, and you only have to look at who actually turns up in Warsaw to see that these events mostly rely on getting people to turn up once every few months.

There was one demonstration against Ukrainians in Wrocław by the ONR where only 10 people turned up. That was quite amusing...

I would be fine, nothing wrong with being proud of your country and nation, historic mistakes have been made under flags , but that does not make Germany unique amongst nations'

Germany has plenty of things to be very proud of, especially after WWII, Germans are generally warm and hospitable.

That was a serious answer, I for one would not connect the German flag to the Nazis or to WWII

It's no different to seeing the German flag flying or being waved at the Olympics or any other sporting event.

I have no problems with the Italian,Russian of British flags either If the people want to march to celebrate freedom or winning the world cup then fine.

I completely agree with Dolno.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country and culture.
Patriotism is not Fascism.

And that is nice of you and I thank you for that, but honestly I can see them coming already after such a display of german nationalism, the many accusations and warnings of a new fourth Reich...

Even on this board I have to defend my patriotism against people trying to tell me how **** my country is and how un-popular and hated (everybody says so), and that I need "remembering" about all my country's misdeeds so that I not get to "uppity/arrogant".

And then such a march? ;)

I completely agree, but the Warsaw march is kind of an effed up event (that has almost no support from most people in the country) Mention the march to a bunch of young 20 somethings and watch their faces collapse....

As long as it's genuine patriotism. That means paying taxes, not dumping trash in forests, not smoking on public trains, not being drunk and aggressive on the streets, helping the less able/fortunate, volunteering, looking after vulnerable neighbours, respecting others and being a good citizen. If you claim to be a Catholic, then obviously you should be going to church and living by the rules of the church too, which include opening your door to those in need.

If Poles all behaved like that, this would be a bloody amazing place to live. Look at how nice Switzerland is, and let's not forget that they're a fiercely patriotic and proud people.

Unfortunately, the type of people in the pictures above do none of those things. They're not patriots, and never will be.

BB
I have said it before and I'll say it again.
Stay exactly as you are.
You are not wrong....

...that is nice of you too!

(I still want my Germany-Thread back...I feel like an intruder in other peoples threads now...:(

Considering that numerous Polish patriotic groups work together with German, Swedish, French even Russian ones they'd likely say good for you for finally standing up to pc Marxism and agree that Germany ought to be for Germans, not millions of third world migrants. If anything, they'd applaud the German people for finally standing up for their culture, identity, country, etc.


You act as if only male neo Nazis and such attend this. Lots of families, old people, young people, women, etc. It's not just far right young men who attend.

youtube.com/watch?v=Z4UBVMzyw6w - video of various people at the march. There's far more ordinary Poles that march with Polish flags than narodowcy with the falanga and anti Multikulti banners...

youtube.com/watch?v=3wa_fLBetGU tommy robinson at the march last year...


No one's saying they're heroes, they are however patriots and love their country. I could ask why so many non-Poles are against Polish people marching on their independence day?

@Delph

The flaw in your argument is that the majority of people that turn out are not,what you lefties like to describe as,Neanderthal,knucle dragging,drunk,tattooed Fascists......they just aren't.....

Poles understand patriotism as well as other nations, to whatever degree, and so do I. Polands' recent history (300 years) is of bitter struggle. Any historian will argue though that what is now Germany suffered much more through the Thirty Years War. Germans don't bang on about it today though do they BB? I have a horrible feeling that nationalist Poles will whine about "their" 300 years of pain for aeons to come though - until the sun consumes the earth.

Most Poles hate this putrid nationalism though. You, Dirk, and others don't seem to want to understand the difference between patriotism and nationalism of course, though knowledge speaks and wisdom listens.. Academics have argued the difference between patriotism and nationalism since the 19th century, but from my point of view of the Polish groups of people, one of them is decent and honorary, and the other is self-serving.

My 1000 sample (learners I asked an opinion of, from all walks of life and ages) came out as 80 percent against such nationalist marches.


Is now a very rich man. A self - server, as stated. You can have him, because Britain disowns such scum.

Britain does not disown Tommy Robinson....quite the reverse,he is growing in popularity in The UK.
You are out of touch mate.....
And I think you are wrong about the November 11th march too,it has everything to do with patriotism and nothing to do with nationalism.

Yeah,some nationalistic fascists will try to hijack it,but they will fail.....you worry too much....this is Poland,not England....you should have learnt that by now......