Polish hero pilot lands 767 without wheels. (Warsaw)

What the hell are you talking about ? What crashes are you talking about ? There were just 3 .

According to the Polish investigatory commission, the cause of the crash was the disintegration of an engine shaft due to faulty bearings inside the number 2 engine, which seized, causing extensive heat. This in turn caused the consequent damage to engine number 1 (and its fire), rapid decompression of the hull, a fire in the cargo hold (which was not detected due to a damaged fire alarm system sensor)[citation needed], as well as the loss of elevator controls and progressive electrical failure.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOT_Flight_5055

Among the 87 fatalities were Polish singer Anna Jantar, American ethnomusicologist Alan P. Merriam, six Polish students returning home from an AIESEC conference in New York and a contingent of the amateur U.S. boxing team.

Three crashes at Warsaw means that there were previous crashes at Warsaw.

This is the proof you are the troll on this forum .

Where did I state I was an expert . Your comment is unsubstantial .

PWEI - I repeat again my question which you may answer if you wish , was there any similar landing like this one in the history of aviation ?

Do you think I am consulting everything with my father ,the answer is no , I am working at my office now . My daddy is at his home .

Don`t bring personal comments , any more PWEI .

and then:


You've answered your own question.

Wait for it...


The first thing she does is try to apportion blame outside her country's borders. By the way, she omitted the bit from the wikipedia story about the real investigation, the bit including the phrase "contrary to what was stated in the Polish report", but anyone reading this who remembers a poster called Monia who is the same person as 'polmed' should not be surprised.

I notice she doesn't mention the sad accident I was referring to. Even then she'd probably quote from wikipedia where someone has added to the paragraph where the accident is attributed to pilot error that the accident investigators "held a grudge against Poland".

Perhaps you could avoid insulting people?


Just look at the photos I posted of belly landings. And here are more of them:

Your picture is a LIE!!
This indeed was a belly landing after the crew forgot to lower the landing gear, ruled pilot error but the investigation revealed that there is a design flaw. When you pull the throttles back on a 747 you get a warning horn if the gear is not down. Normal procedure is to pull the gear horn lever to stop the noise but if you never advance the throttles again you will never get another warning.

In 2009, a C-17 also made a gear up landing, pilot error again, the entire crew missed all the warnings at Bagram air base, Afghanistan. There’s a hell of a difference when you’re blissfully unaware of the problem and it’s simply pure luck and no one gets hurt.

So it was a Jumbo jet belly landed. Thanks for making that clear.

This will be even clearer when the Boeing expert will rule it pilot error as in all of their investigations, after all there’s company image at stake, fine details hidden deep in the pages of investigation but the caption Pilot error will figure prominently at the top, in big bald letters so you can’t miss it.

The most stupid thing I've ever heard on this forum. And you claim to come from an aviation family?! Give me a break, will you? And while you are at it ... give us all a break.

I very much doubt that that would ever happen. Perhaps you can give us an example of such a thing ever happening?

Just did in your own example. Pilot thinking the gear is down as the horn never sounded again, official ruling Pilot Error. No brainier for the Boeing expert.

No, it was a no brainer because the Master Warning circuit breaker was pulled out by cockpit crew during the flight and when flaps were lowered with retracted landing gear, aircraft's Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) which was independent of the Warning CB, started to howl but that warning was ignored by the crew.

I explained that I have never claimed that 767 landing was gliding landing and he did not understand my comment because he ididn`t read it carefully all my comments .

But this poster replied _


Thats an example of internet discussion , completely unsubstantial replies not connected with the problem and of course containing personal insults .

As opposed to claiming that a 767 is a Jumbo jet and that nobody has ever landed a Jumbo without using the undercarriage. Now who was it that did that?

Some of the picture you posted have had some landing gear , on some it is invisible , so still I don`t see any similar cases .

Let me post this photo for the third time:

The reason the undercarriage is invisible in that photo is because the plane was landed with the undercarriage retracted.

BTW: the professional pilot in this thread has already stated that he'd prefer to do a landing with no undercarriage than with half of it.

the original jumbo jet was the 747. nowadays the term 'jumbo jet' can be used when refering to any of a number of the larger wide-body jets.

the airbus A380 is a 'super jumbo', which can be used as an example of how the word jumbo has progressed in aviation terminology.

so for once i agree with polmed.

Ridiculous, LOT aren't the only airline that use 767's, the problem could happen to any single 767, depending on what model it is. That's the whole point of ACI....

A Jumbo Jet is a 747, the huge boeing aircraft that has two floors, hence jumbo.

Thank you for this answer ,it will cut the trolling .

Because, for some here , my posts are useless . Whatever I say PWEI and his pack will always be in opposition .

But that`s fine , you don`t have to agree with me . But I don`t see the point for trolling on and on .

Nothing to do with pwei and you being attacked, everything to do with you not knowing what you are talking about.

It means you know nothing just take a look at these sites , maybe you will learn something :

A wide-body aircraft is a large airliner with two passenger aisles, also known as a widebody aircraft[1][2] or twin-aisle aircraft.[3] The typical fuselage diameter is 5 to 6 m (16 to 20 ft).[4] In the typical wide-body economy cabin, passengers are seated seven to ten abreast,[5] allowing a total capacity of 200 to 850[6] passengers. The largest wide-body aircraft are over 6 m (20 ft) wide,[7] and can accommodate up to eleven passengers abreast in high-density configurations.

By comparison, a traditional narrow-body airliner has a diameter of 3 to 4 m (10 to 13 ft), with a single aisle,[3][8] and seats between two and six people abreast.[9]

Wide-body aircraft were originally designed for a combination of efficiency and passenger comfort. However, airlines quickly gave in to economic factors, and reduced the extra passenger space in order to maximize revenue and profits.[10]

Wide-body aircraft are also used for the transport of commercial freight and cargo[11] and other special uses, described further below.
Wide-body aircraft, in particular the 747, are often referred to as jumbo jets due to their very large size.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-body_aircraft

Jumbo jets are fixed-wing aircraft that has a wide body design. The Boeing 747 is a classic example.

simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_jet

Now you may apologize me for your very unwise comments about me .

As Stu commented earlier, real heroes hate to be labeled as such.
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Polish Pilot Rejects Hero Label After Crash Landing Boeing Jet

(Bloomberg) -- The pilot who safely crash landed a Boeing Co. 767 on its belly at Warsaw's main airport rejected being labeled a hero as Poland's national carrier said flights from the capital may resume later today.

"Talk of heroes is an exaggeration," Tadeusz Wrona said at a press conference. "I'm convinced that any pilot would have done the same as I did."

Wrona tried to extend the landing gear numerous times after an on-board computer indicated a hydraulic fault. He had flown the same plane some 500 times and had "never had any difficulty" with the wheels, he said.

Warsaw's Chopin airport remained closed after the plane operated by Polskie Linie Lotnicze LOT SA landed on its fuselage yesterday on the main runway. None of the 231 passengers and crew on the flight from Newark, New Jersey, were injured.

LOT is losing 12,000 passengers a day while Warsaw's airport is closed, Pirog said. Most financial costs from yesterday's events are covered by insurance, he added. The airport services about 400 flights and transports 25,000 passengers daily, airport spokesman Przemyslaw Przybylski said.

"This is all part of a pilot's training, but they knew the routine, the airport was ready and everybody walked away, which is how you measure the success of these things," said David Learmount, a former Royal Air Force pilot and safety editor at Flight International magazine. "It's a rare event. You could fly every day of your life and it wouldn't happen."

businessweek.com/news/2011-11-02/polish-pilot-rejects-hero-label-after-crash-landing-boeing-jet.html

The whole hero buzz around him is probably awkward for him, but there nothing wrong for people to admire his professionalism and ability to keep cold head in a critical situation.

no that is fine, i don't feel attacked.

as for age of fleet- I am comparing to Air Canada -which is what I fly to get back from Poland. The have an all new fleet and a very good reputation. I have flown Warsaw to Toronto a number of times- too many to count, and I can't do it anymore. The interior of the planes are falling apart. This may not be important to the actual flying of the plane- but it makes a huge difference to the passengers. If the interior where the passengers are is a mess then it is human nature to doubt the cockpit and the engine and all other parts of the plane. By mess I mean water dripping from the ceiling, broken seats, broken bathrooms, broken tv.....small details but this is what passengers feel.

I am not attacking pilots. I have grown up with planes landing over my head for as long as I can remember. I was also able to sit in the cockpit while landing at Calgary airport a few years ago- so cool.

I grew up on the largest air force base in Canada- I have flown on hercules, boeings, airbus and a few others- I have great respect for those in the aviation field- it is what I know, but I stand by my statement- Lot needs to update their fleet. The planes flown within Europe seem to be ok- but the 767's are a mess.

maybe lot should have gone with airbus- like aircanada.

pip, please try to learn just a tiny bit before posting here.
Average age of the Air Canada fleet is 11.4 years
Average age of the LOT fleet is 8.7 years


I had the misfortune of flying on a EuroLOT plane yesterday. FYI: Average age of the EuroLOT fleet is 17.4 years

ya, I also have a source

tp://www.aircanada.com/en/about/acfamily/index.html

I am willing to bet mine is more accurate, no?

another thing- these are talking about averages- not the actual age of the specific planes. I know that the transcontinental air canada planes are a hell of a lot younger, in fact brand new, compared to the transcontinental lot planes.

in general I try to avoid LOT for the reasons mentioned by pip. Those planes are just not well taken care of.

The last time I flew with them I was kept at the airport inside the plane for 2 hours both ways without the explanation. I admire Wrona and the like, but the company cannot stand alone on good pilots, the fleet needs new planes. Or refurbish the old ones.

exactly.
The pilot and his crew did a stand up job and should be recognized for this- but the fact of the matter is that the transcontinental fleet are starting to show wear and tear and their age.

unfortunately, botox can't help these old birds.

ha, ha.........

It is astonishing how Harry defends LOT while most Poles on the polish speaking forums don't. What gives?