GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!

11 Jul 2009 #481

Depends about which time frame you ask: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warmia

Warmia (Polish: Warmia, Latin: Varmia) or Erm(e)land (German: Ermland.ogg Ermland (help·info)) is a region between Pomerania and Masuria in northeastern Poland.

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Warmia has been under the dominion of various states and peoples over the course of its history, most notably the Old Prussians, the Teutonic Knights, the Kingdom of Poland, and the Kingdom of Prussia. The history of the region is closely connected to that of the Archbishopric of Warmia (formerly, Duchy of Warmia).

/wiki/Warmians

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Soon after arrival of the first dukes of the Polans in later Poland centuries of conquest attempts on the native Prussians began in 997 AD. The preferred method were attempts at christianizing the still heathen people, thereby conquering their land.

German since 1241

...After arriving to Kulmerland in 1230, the Teutonic Knights proceeded to conquer the pagan Prussians and convert them to Christianity. The Warmians, together with the Bartians and the Natangians, were conquered between 1238-1241.[3..

Then polish:

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Poles settled in greater numbers after the Second Peace of Thorn (1466), and removed the Archbishopric of Warmia from the control of the Teutonic Knights and placed it under the sovereignty of the Crown of Poland as part of the province of Royal Prussia.

Thorn became polish 1466.
But the Koppernigh family settled already there, in a then german, hanseatic league town. They stayed.
Niklas was born there 1473.

Borrka 37 | 593

11 Jul 2009 #482

in a then german, hanseatic league town

Dear BB, Cracow was both hanseatic and partly German poulated city in those old times.
So what, does it make Dragon of Wawel to some German creature ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smok_Wawelski
And like in the case "Kopernik" nobody knows which language was used by dragons.
Useless discusion, anyway.

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

11 Jul 2009 #483

So what, does it make Dragon of Wawel to some German creature ?

No, because of that I would think:

The Wawel Dragon, is a famous dragon in Polish folklore.

Germans have their very own folklore...:)

And like in the case "Kopernik" nobody knows which language was used by dragons.

We know which languages Kopernikus used, latin and german.

Borrka 37 | 593

11 Jul 2009 #484

Germans have their very own folklore...:)

And even their own scientists.
Most of them having Slavonic or Jewish roots. LOL.
Easy to check !

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

11 Jul 2009 #485

Most of German scientists have Slav or Jewish roots???
I wonder why nobody calls Russia or Poland or any other Slavic country the "country of the poets and thinkers"
What were they all doing in Germany??

Here is a list:
Evidence please!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_scientists

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:German_scientists&from=Vollmer%2C+Gerhard

Borrka 37 | 593

11 Jul 2009 #486

Evidence please!

At least the Bible makes some good evidence (Adam and Eva were Jewish, weren't they ?)
And majority of so called Germans are Germanized Western Slavs LOL.

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

11 Jul 2009 #487

The BIBLE says!!!

And majority of so called Germans are Germanized Western Slavs LOL.

Well...we here get things done as compared to...must be in the water!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany#Culture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_inventions_and_discoveries
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_inventors_and_discoverers

1jola 14 | 1,879

11 Jul 2009 #488

Mikołaj Kopernikowski was definitely Polish. :)

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

11 Jul 2009 #489

Kopernikowski

Well..that is an argument!

1jola 14 | 1,879

11 Jul 2009 #490

It's not an argument; it's a joke

[Strikes Teuton with a spoon on helmet]

Oh, BTW, I suppose you're into militaria. I'll be happy to sell you a set of three of Hitler's wooden toothpicks to enhance your valuable WWII collection. Interested?

I got the spoon in my hand, again.

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

11 Jul 2009 #491

jola: [Strikes Teuton with a spoon on helmet]

*another dent for my helmet*[/i]

Oh, BTW, I suppose you're into militaria. I'll be happy to sell you a set of three of Hitler's wooden toothpicks to enhance your valuable WWII collection. Interested?

No, I'm not and no I'm not!
But thanks for asking...:)

1jola 14 | 1,879

11 Jul 2009 #492

Shoot, always looking for a sucker. At 8,000 euros it is such a deal for such a rare item.

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

11 Jul 2009 #493

I've heard about a piece of toast with the tooth imprint of Elvis...I wouldn't pay for that either...but some do! :)

Seanus 15 | 19,674

11 Jul 2009 #494

Frauenberg is listed as being in Poland :)

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

11 Jul 2009 #495

Well....it is....now.

The town was founded as a defensive stronghold on an Old Prussian site. In 1224 at Catania, Emperor Frederick II declared Prussia directly subordinate to the church and Holy Roman Empire. Later in the same year the pope assigned Bishop William of Modena as the papal legate to Prussia. With the imperial Golden Bull of Rimini, the Teutonic Knights were granted control of the region, which they subsequently conquered. According to local legend, the Old Prussian inhabitants were baptised by Anselm of Meissen[citation needed], a priest of the Teutonic Knights and the first Bishop of the Bishopric of Warmia [...]

Seanus 15 | 19,674

11 Jul 2009 #496

Just winding you up ;) Seriously though, birthplace doesn't decide everything. If I was born in China to a Scottish mother and a father with Scottish roots, would I be Chinese? There has to be a settled intention and meaningful connection to the land.

How much work did Copernicus do in Poland?

PlasticPole 7 | 2,648

11 Jul 2009 #497

He fought for Poland. Doesn't that make him more Polish than German?

Seanus 15 | 19,674

11 Jul 2009 #498

So if a Scot fights for Britain against Germany, he is more British than European?

PlasticPole 7 | 2,648

11 Jul 2009 #499

I wouldn't call him a German.

SeanBM 35 | 5,806

12 Jul 2009 #500

Why did the Polish ruling class not protect his work?.

Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195

12 Jul 2009 #501

Why did the German ruling class not protect his work? How does this constitute 'outrageous treatment of Copernicus', especially given that it happened sixty years after the man's death? Why should Poland accept responsibility?

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

12 Jul 2009 #502

Why did the German ruling class not protect his work?

plato.stanford.edu/entries/copernicus

Without german help it wouldn't had been published in the first place...

Sokrates 8 | 3,345

12 Jul 2009 #503

In 1491 Copernicus enrolled, in his father's hometown of Kraków, at the Kraków Academy (now Jagiellonian University). It was there that he probably first encountered astronomy with Professor Albert Brudzewski. Astronomy soon fascinated him, and he began collecting a large library on the subject.

Without Polish help he wouldnt have been into astronomy in the first place, also for a German his father had a pretty Polish origin :)))

Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195

12 Jul 2009 #504

Without german help it wouldn't had been published in the first place...

Should've seen that coming. The question in question (lolz) was in response to another statement... ah, f*ck, another question, implying that if Poland wants to claim that Copernicus was Polish, they should take responsibility for the 'outrageous way he was treated', or something like that. This is my way of showing that original said question makes a poor argument, since it's never been applied the other way around, either, and makes certain connections that should not exist, besides the lack of existence of said 'outrageous treatment'.

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,831

12 Jul 2009 #505

Oki....:)

Filios1 8 | 1,336

12 Jul 2009 #506

The best pages of this debate are hidden in the first 6 pages or so... later, it just becomes reocurring, over and over again...

BB, I'm surprised you have the discipline to keep repeating the same stuff over again that we had discussed months and months ago ;)

Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195

12 Jul 2009 #507

BB, I'm surprised you have the discipline to keep repeating the same stuff over again that we had discussed months and months ago ;)

Give the Germans credit where it's due. =p

Crow 155 | 9,025

12 Jul 2009 #508

GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)!!! OUTRAGE!!!

eh

abominable, to put cross on myself [fast and several times]

it is same as if monkeys for example wants to monkeynized human

strange how Germans likes impossible missions

Harry

13 Jul 2009 #509

Leaving aside whether or not Copernicus was Polish or not: if Poland wants to have some say in the naming of this program, perhaps Poland would like to actually contribute some cash towards the program? From what I can see GMES is a joint program funded by the EU (Poland does not contribute so much as a grosze to the EU) and the European Space Agency (which Poland is not a member of).

Crow 155 | 9,025

13 Jul 2009 #510

whether or not Copernicus was Polish or not: if Poland wants to have some say in the naming of this program, perhaps Poland would like to actually contribute some cash towards the program?

you maybe suggests that after all there is no need that Polish history and nation even exist?? Considering that Poland don`t have enough money to contribute to all EU programs, all what is Polish becoming propery of EU Borg?

same goes for Polish national interests, Polish borders, for Polish people, for Polish national defense, for Polish territory... almighty EU Borg would take care of everything

is it so Harrymane?