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German legal discrimination against Polish speakers

Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
  12 Jan 2019  #241
tactic to build facts quietly instead of making loud noise would have been proven more successful also for Trumps wall...

You are spot on about that invisible wall. In fact, I called the physical wall "stupid" but only if we were willing to beef up that invisible wall. The problem is that the US is a country of selective law enforcement, which makes it not that much better Russia, I suppose. In this case, we could make the life of any employer a living hell if caught employing illegals but we don't. We could make illegal crossings a felony. Instead, we give them a starter kit and a map to the nearest welfare office.

I could go on like this until my fingers fall off, so I will stop now. But I will always be happy to give you an unvarnished truth about the corruption and disfunctionality of the US, glossy publications and flowery speeches notwithstanding.
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
12 Jan 2019  #243
Chinese products are sometimes the only products out there on the market

Name one consumer product where the Chinese have a monopoly. The real problem is not China, but greedy western corporations which outsourced production to increase profits and consumers who are either too stingy to buy more expensive products or simply too poor to afford anything better than Chinese crap.

We need to start restricting China's growth

The growth of the Chinese economy was in large parts driven by the investments of western corporations in the country. To get access to the domestic market, they accepted to give away their company secrets. Voluntarily. Again, the ones which are really to blame are greedy corporations. The Chinese only took advantage of it. They have 1.5 billion people to feed, I somewhat understand them.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  12 Jan 2019  #244
Name one consumer product where the Chinese have a monopoly.

Everything what's cheapest?

They are the worst price dumper, putting immense pressure on any home grown producer and entrepreneur...many jobs got lost because firms tried to get with it and relocated their companies to those places with less labor costs, to sell as cheaply as only the Chinese can.

What you defined as the "real problem" is a direct consequence of chinese trade and its access to the world markets, not the reason.

Here I really think sometimes abit protectionism would have been better, or at least slamming as much taxes on their products as necessary to average the prices...there would be no need anymore for chinese crap because it would cost the same as our own crap.

The western economies behaved incredibly stupid...doing everything to strengthen that chinese model, as you said giving away their scientific advantage for free, allowing chinese money to buy out our companies en masse, playing by the rules like the dumb sheep!

I would wish for more understandig for our own people and economies...
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
12 Jan 2019  #245
Again, the ones which are really to blame are greedy corporations.

Even if I wanted, I couldn't change one word in your post. Except add this: ...greedy corporations, K Street, and the corrupt US government desperate for another boatload of re-election money. That is why China, where the voters do not have to be bribed the Illinois style, has the upper hand.

No, I would not want to live in China, but that is irrelevant. The core question is on whose side is time.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
12 Jan 2019  #246
The western economies behaved incredibly stupid...

This and the rest of your post...I would swear I wrote it. Which means it's perfect.
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
12 Jan 2019  #247
They are the worst price dumper,

Still, to be a successful price dumper you need trading partners or consumers who buy your products. If you don't have them, you're out of business. Our politicians wrongly assumed that over time, wages in China would reach western levels and we would have a fair competition. Turned out, that's not how it works in a dictatorship like China. They turned our greed against us. Very clever.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
12 Jan 2019  #248
T-Bills and real estate for plastic trinkets at Walmart. It does not get any more insane.
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
12 Jan 2019  #249
Yep, and now they own us.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  12 Jan 2019  #250
I wonder if there will be a backlash sooner or later.

Trump okay...but the whole global economy is about to turn down, analysts Germany at least the masses which Chinese are taking over our small and middle sized firms and get their feets firmly even in our behemoths is now ringing more and more warning bells.

The ongoing theft of german know how is an old hat compared to old that german firms have learned to compensate and to adapt even. That might work in good times when there is enough cake for all to be had, but in bad times the cake portions get smaller...and harder fought for.

I could imagine at one point the West will say: Enough!
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
12 Jan 2019  #251
Who will control the corporations? You would have to change the economic system to achieve that, and you know from first hand experience how "effective" that other system is. Even if we get China under control, who guarantees you that India won't turn into a new China? Or Indonesia? Or Nigeria? Or Brazil? All these countries have huge populations, which makes them extremely interesting for the business world.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
12 Jan 2019  #252
You two are depressing the crap out of me just before bedtime. Thanks a lot.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  12 Jan 2019  #253 won't be easy...I doubt anybody has a recipe yet...
Spike31 1 | 438    
  12 Jan 2019  #254
Even within the EU single market there are such areas. For example France wants to impose restrictions on delegated workers from Central Europe. They would like to consume all the fruits of single market and have unlimited access to Central European markets without facing a fair competition from those same countries. You can't eat a cake and have cake at the same time.

Same with Germany and their newspaper industry which they've restricted to German-only capital yet they have no problem with owning big chunk of Polish press industry and are defending their influence over it by accusing those who oppose it of "attempting to curb free press" in Poland.

Those countries are using their advantageous political position within the EU to enforce regulations which benefits them against the interests of the others. Neocolonialism comes in mind.
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
12 Jan 2019  #255
Ahemm, Schering, Siemens, Krupps, Melitta coffee makers or other white goods etc. are no longer manufactured in Germany, or it some are, they're no longer available on the US market as was the case prior to the advent of the Euro, when the DMark was still strong as a bull and the dollar, for a change, was forced to keep up!
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
12 Jan 2019  #256
Schering, Siemens, Krupps, Melitta coffee makers

Coffee makers are probably not the kind of product that generates massive profits... :)
Schering was a pharmaceutical which was taken over by Bayer in the mid 2000s, by the way.
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
13 Jan 2019  #257
Nevertheless, I'm pointing to a decline in quality as part of the carefully crafted conspiracy to save money at all costs, hence costing the equally deserving middle-class American consumer their right to have either a home manufactured or at the very least a product from Germany, MADE in Germany, by German hands (albeit by foreign workers) under GERMAN supervision, and not cheap Chinese junk!
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
13 Jan 2019  #258
carefully crafted conspiracy to save money at all costs

That "conspiracy" is called capitalism, Lyszko. The alternatives aren't any better.
Spike31 1 | 438    
13 Jan 2019  #259
Speaking of jugendamt...

"Norwegian mother Silje Garmo and her two-year-old daughter Eira, who fled from their country's social services (Barnevernet), have won the right to asylum in Poland."

This is the first time since World War II that Norwegian citizens have been granted asylum in another European country.
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
  13 Jan 2019  #260
I'm surprised that Poland gets involved so openly, because there seems to be much more to the case than meets the eye:

They say there are some religious extremists involved, and that the lady is supposedly addicted to painkillers. Plenty of links out there regarding this case.
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
13 Jan 2019  #261
CRONY post-New Deal Capitalism, to be more exact, Mafketis, and the "alternatives" remain evaluating what is gained vs. what is merely coveted!
Can't think of a solution, don't bother with a counter-argument.

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