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German legal discrimination against Polish speakers


Spike31 1 | 438    
10 Jan 2019  #211
Just another, probably baseless accussation against an institution that takes its duty to protect children

There were suppose to be links pointing to the full material: excessive links removed.

I am seriously annoyed by the use of the word 'Nazi" as an adjective next to "Germany" to mean the whole Germany

I got your point. Obviously you and me know exactly who did what, but I wouldn't the so sure about the youngest generation living outside of Europe.

The reason why I'm using a term "Nazi Germany" is because mainstream media when referring to perpetrators of WWII are pointing to "Nazis" and not simply "Germans".

That's just one step from claiming that WWII was started by some mythical "Nazis" and not by ethnic Germans. So I want to put those both halves back together where they belong.

You've probably heard a false term "Polish Death Camps" when referring to German concentration camps in Poland which was used in some media and even repeated by some halwits such as Obama? I would like to avoid such a situation in the future.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
10 Jan 2019  #212
You've probably heard a false term "Polish Death Camps" when referring to German concentration camps in Poland

Yes, I have.
As far as those "Nazis", I know why they do it - to whitewash and deflect. I ain't stupid. I just play one when it fits the situation. Which is better than actually being genetically stupid the way liberals are from the day they born and on.
delphiandomine 85 | 16,868    
10 Jan 2019  #213
Just another, probably baseless accussation against an institution that takes its duty to protect children seriously.

There's a tendency among right wing Poles to believe that the Polish parents are always right. They can't possibly accept that some parents are awful, and they most definitely can't accept when a child is taken away from their parents because of systematic child abuse.

Meanwhile, Poland also turns a blind eye when a Polish parent refuses to give access to a foreign parent. There are several high profile cases where a mother has kidnapped a child to Poland, only for Polish courts to refuse to do anything in spite of a foreign court order saying otherwise.
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
10 Jan 2019  #214
Spike31, are you perhaps referring here to the Lebensborn program during the late '30's and on into the '40's, whereby the Nazis attempted to breed the perfect Aryan by searching in what they deemed "aryanizable" neighboring countries in order to find an identical gene pool, eliminating any potential "partner gene" found to be sickly or having possible genetic challenges?
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
10 Jan 2019  #215
@delphiandomine
"There's a tendency among right wing Poles to believe that the Polish parents are always right".

Why say "right wing Poles",if this a true Polish trait,as you claim, then surely they are all guilty of it.

And as for the kidnapping of kids to Poland....Poles always look after their own first.
What is wrong with that?
Dougpol1 25 | 2,125    
10 Jan 2019  #216
Poles always look after their own first.

What nationalistic nonsense Miloslaw. You should be ashamed of yourself - if the real truth wasn't so sad. Which is - statistically, as is the case with the feral side of America, proportionally high numbers of children compared to western Europe in care or grandparents bringing up children as their own because of absent parents.
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
10 Jan 2019  #217
Why should I be ashamed Doug?
I don't understand your point.....it was not very well written.
delphiandomine 85 | 16,868    
10 Jan 2019  #218
Why say "right wing Poles",if this a true Polish trait,as you claim, then surely they are all guilty of it.

They're not. Sensible people realise that there's bound to be a few bad eggs among a few million that emigrated.

What is wrong with that?

Everything. Imagine if a Polish mother lost her child because the German father kidnapped the child to Germany, and the German courts refused to intervene?
Chemikiem 5 | 1,166    
10 Jan 2019  #219
What is wrong with that?

I can't believe you are condoning kidnapping/child abduction! So if a marriage has broken down and the mother takes the kids to Poland, and then refuses to bring them back and denies the father access, you think that's ok? I've read about a couple of cases where this has happened, and Poland's attitude is that the mother is always in the right, no matter what. The foreign parent can look forward to years of struggle to try and get access, or possibly never see the child again.
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
10 Jan 2019  #220
The mother generally gets most of the rights to the child.
I think that is right.
Fathers should be allowed access though.
Dougpol1 25 | 2,125    
10 Jan 2019  #221
I don't understand your point.....it was not very well written.

Sorry - I don't like the phrase "Poles look after their own", as if historically they have to fight the world. Because of the misapprehension that Poles have always been oppressed or something.

Brexit has taught us that we are all in it together. The brown stuff, that is; and talk of one section of society having to take protectionist steps is just wrong in my opinion.
Spike31 1 | 438    
  10 Jan 2019  #222
Spike31, are you perhaps referring here to the Lebensborn program

I did. Only a small percentage of those Polish children were ever returned to Poland after the war.
They simply kidnaped those kids and took away their identity. It's an unbelievable crime.

Jugendamt is proudly continuing this tradition. Obviously on a much smaller scale, but the fact is that they are taking away those kids from their mothers and placing them in German "foster families".

eliminating any potential "partner gene" found to be sickly or having possible genetic challenges?

Like you said, those were promptly sent to death camps and quickly eliminated since they couldn't not work so in the eyes of Germans were just useless mouths to feed.
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
10 Jan 2019  #223
..which is why all the PR in the world after the War can never truly downplay, much less truly eliminate, severe and deep-seated misgivings with regard to Germany in the light of the unique ghastliness of the Hitler Era.

The above proviso from someone who once considered living, not only working, in Germany as well as who is a dyed-in-the-wool Germanophile.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
  11 Jan 2019  #224
The brown stuff, that is; and talk of one section of society having to take protectionist steps is just wrong in my opinion.

"Protectionist" is supposed to be bad while "protective" - good.
And the difference is what?
A father who prevents son from being harmed by others, is he "protectionist" or "protective"?
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
11 Jan 2019  #225
Essentially, it's all semantics in the end, little more than splitting hairs.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  11 Jan 2019  #226
A father who prevents son from being harmed by others, is he "protectionist" or "protective"?

Hmm...IMHO it is so:

The father who prevents its son from being harmed by others is protective.

The father who harms someone else to discourage him from placing his table with goods on the marketplace beside his own stand to sell his stuff, hence becoming a rival, is protectionist.

You could say he is protective of it's own cash...but it's still not the same.

You could also say preventing others from harming his son is prectionist too, so he can harm his son all by himself as fathers like to do in punishments...but its still not the same.

There is even an official definition for that:

protectionism
/prəˈtɛkʃ(ə)nɪzəm/
nounEconomics
noun: protectionism

the theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports.

Protectionism isn't about shielding something from harm but from competition.
Tacitus 2 | 692    
  11 Jan 2019  #227
They can't possibly accept that some parents are awful, and they most definitely can't accept when a child is taken away from their parents because of systematic child abuse

You'll always have cases in which a mistake might have been made, but as someone whose friend was once saved out of a dysfunctional family, I know how much has to go wrong before the Jugendamt intervenes. And even then they usually try to talk with the parents first.

The problem is of course that nobody wants to admit that they had been a bad parent, so it is always the JA's fault.

that they are taking away those kids from their mothers and placing them in German "foster families

It would reprehensible indeed if we failed the children who need help just to make it less easier for some people to draw Nazi comparisons. You habe to screw up mayorly before the JA takes any action, so I have no sympathies for the parents (but for their children!).
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
11 Jan 2019  #228
Essentially, it's all semantics in the end, little more than splitting hairs.

No. The reason why these two words exist is that they mean two different things. So, it's more than just semantics. It is in the hands of the globalist enemies of the US that "protectionism" is now a dirty word and has been used by them as a weapon to shut up, not to enlighten. Just like "racism", "xenophobia, or "homophobia".

Protectionism isn't about shielding something from harm but from competition.

Well stated. Except that there are two kind of competition: one that is fair and by the rules and, then, there is China - a predator who will steal, cheat, back stab, manipulate, and spy. The US globalists, who love that arrangement because it is not they who carry the ultimate burden of unfair trade practices, love to throw "protectionism" around to shut down any fact-based debate. Hence, Trump is stupid, his tariffs are evil and may start a trade war. No f***king kidding! That war has been going on for decades with only one side doing all the shooting. And it wasn't us.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
11 Jan 2019  #229
Yeah...that's true too.

Protectionism can be advisable if it's shielding one country's scientifical knowledge and even jobs.

But shielding...say...your son from competition in school just keeps him dumb.
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
11 Jan 2019  #230
If a father wants to shield his son from danger, he's being protective. If a government wishes to "shield" its people from goods imported from a certain country, it's being protectionist.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
11 Jan 2019  #231
I agree and claim that protectionism is not pejorative. WTO rules aside, if majority of Americans do not want to compete with the virtual slaves in China, it is their moral and legal right not to by any and all legal means. Tariffs included. Trading agreements were never meant to be suicide pacts.
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
11 Jan 2019  #232
Well at least we agree on something!
LOL
TheOther 5 | 3,521    
  11 Jan 2019  #233
They simply kidnaped those kids and took away their identity. It's an unbelievable crime.

Horrible? Yes! Unbelievable? Not really. Same thing happened in Australia and the US for example. They forcibly separated children from their indigenous parents for "resocialization".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations
history.com/news/government-boarding-schools-separated-native-american-children-families

Trading agreements were never meant to be suicide pacts.

No one has ever forced Americans to buy Chinese products. A trade deficit simply means that you buy more from the other guy than he buys from you. Stop consuming and everything will be okay. Ain't going to happen, though...
Lyzko 17 | 5,264    
11 Jan 2019  #234
If Chinese products are sometimes the only products out there on the market, having long since replaced the higher labor costs of equivalent gadgets from among other countries Sweden, Germany, and the US due to outsourcing, we have no choice in the matter if we Americans want to buy something, so yes, we ARE being forced by having a virtual gun to our heads!
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
  11 Jan 2019  #235
We should use real guns on those who brought us to the point where were are FORCED.
Why, then, when Trump is trying to UNFORCE us, the globalists and the brainless Trump haters scream that he will get the US into a trade war with China?

Or should we just accept being forever in China's yoke and FORCED by the globalist to behave?
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
11 Jan 2019  #236
Resistance to China's ambitions of world domination need to start now.
China is not Germany or Russia...they are a huge country,with a huge population that is very well educated,still relatively poor and hungry for bettering their lot.Much more dangerous,there is nothing wrong with their ambitions until it impacts on our own standard of living.

We need to start restricting China's growth now,before it's too late.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
11 Jan 2019  #237
We all know this but Trump is "scum" so that makes China and the Latino invasion good. Or at least a lot more tolerable than the "orange" guy. Why? That will never be explained because liberals can't explain anything they are for or against.

Thanks for giving me another opportunity to vent.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  11 Jan 2019  #238
We all know this but Trump is "scum" so that makes China and the Latino invasion good.

No...that is not so....I don't know of anybody who prefers China to the US, Trump or not.

As for the "Latino invasion", Europe has it's own "invasion" and mostly declines to comment on that. Besides these guys who like any invasion of that kind. But they are nowhere in a majority.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
11 Jan 2019  #239
You are no doing well today.
The wall haters and the Latino invasion lovers ARE the majority. Our great fortune and the saving grace is that those idiots are distributed in a manner that still allowed Trump carry more states and, thus, win at the Electoral College later in December. If they, the morons I just mentioned, move to Texas and Florida, the US will never have a Republican president. Ever.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  11 Jan 2019  #240
The wall haters and the Latino invasion lovers ARE the majority.

Not in Europe...

We are about to build our own (invisible) wall...there is not much loud discussion about it, mind you. But there is no majority in any country to let everybody in. So steps taken to prevent that are quietly supported in all capitals.

Maybe some kind of a similiar tactic to build facts quietly instead of making loud noise would have been proven more successful also for Trumps wall...

And if it's true that the Dems actually approve of a deterrence against illegals than that current pathetic status lays only on Trumps shoulders, who did and said the wrong things every time.



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