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Polish-German Close Cooperation Plan


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #61
drilling for their own in the North Sea?

We do and have been doing so for many years. Mostly gas.

This is likely to increase given the plans to expand a couple of fields.

And the UK holds the rights to the next generation of nuclear reactors, something likely to make a fortune. Germany is welcome to pay for those instead of funnelling cash to orcigarchs


Przelotnyptak1  1 | 1259
25 Jul 2026   #62
Don't forget, ol' Trump's trade tariffs have put a crimp in Germany's relations with her..

Shure, it is aways Trumps fault, leftist are never wrong. How much of the Brooklyn Bridge you own so far?


Przelotnyptak1  1 | 1259
25 Jul 2026   #63
We do and have been doing so for many years. Mostly gas.

Jon the Contrarian, are you trying to persuade me that gas and oil are the same thing, or the man leaning left so much that Tower of Pizza is straight as an arrow, compared to your leftist believes is in love with nuclear energy?

Because you are ready to counter any statement, I wonder if you are a paying member of the Flat Earth Society?


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #64
gas and oil are the same thing

What????

Read posts before replying to them.


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #65
nuclear energy

This is a good thing.

Germany would get a good energy supply, and get it on the same terms as their neighbours; so good news for all.

They would also get it without needing to trade with pariah states like r*SSia.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #66
The german Greens are very much against anything nuclear energy, they worked so hard to close all reactors!

They had this vision of a highly industrialized country working successfully solely with "green energy" or what they call it....now that we are finding out that this dream vision is another leftist nighmare the hard way it still might to be seen if the Green Leftists are able to accept their wrongness, their structural failure and will accept the rebuilding of nuclear reactors....I very much doubt that!


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #67
They had this vision of a highly industrialised country working successfully solely with "green energy"

That's something we must all work towards, however there's still a need for other types of energy production.

against anything nuclear

Interesting if r*SSian lobbying/bribery has its role.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #68
Interesting if r*SSian lobbying/bribery has its role.

Yes....looking back now, it becomes definitely a question!


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #69
They used to indirectly fund our 'peace movement' back in the 80s.

It does seem like something they'd do.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #70
Nobody can call them dumb!

The european left/green Peace-movement first....the rightist Nationalists now!

And we are like the puppets-on-a-string, but always for a "good cause".....*shakes head*


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #71
left

Remember, most of the left are mainstream and moderate politicians, and very much not greenies.

rightist Nationalists

They have very low standards and will take money from anywhere.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #72
In Germany its rather the other way around, the Greens have become alot more mainstream than the Left. Our Left is also deeply estranged and always quarreling inside...alot of that has to do with the communist-part-history...it's not without reason that the AfD is at its strongest in the former East!


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #73
the Greens have become alot more mainstream

Never a good thing.

ur Left is also deeply estranged and always quarreling insid

Yours seem more ideological, a sort of communism-lite rather than a workers' movement focusing on industrial development and a strong society with capital within it.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #74
....left identity politics (only non-whites and non-heteros are allowed to have a voice), generally anti-whiteness, antisemitism and islamist pro-Hamas-support....you name it!

Even Germans who would be non-averse to the old Left mainstays like workers rights and overcoming social problems have turned away aghast....


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #75
identity politics (only

Sounds very American.

mainstays like workers rights

The mainstay of any decent party.

Has Germany not considered de-industrialising? Perhaps focusing more on agriculture and maybe hosting datacentres.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #76
maybe hosting datacentres.

The Greens (and Left) seem generally anti-tech....datacentres for example are protested against whenever they are planned (or even talked about). The german Green/Left prefers a de-industrialized Germany sadly without a plan how to feed its citizens....thats why the Right has such an easy game in these days, they offer a nostalgic version of the german past....highly industrialized and successful economically and socially alot more conservative but now plus new nationalism!

And I think they will rule Germany in the future because of why the Green/Left just f****ed up so badly!

(Okay....the ruling parties like the CDU and the SPD are part of it....without CDU-Merkel for example would the nuclear reactors still be running....and the SPD are for a long time no now less interested in workers rights and Unions but rather in Queers and Muslims...for many Germans there is only one real alternative)


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #77
datacentres

They do use a lot of natural resources. One reason we don't really do them; the lead in time would be too long for building them in terms of planning resources. Even apartment buildings have a planning lead time because of this.

the Right

The CDU?

Left

When were they last in power? As I recall the centrist SPD were the nearest to that.

offer a nostalgic version of the german past

Nostalgia only wins votes from the aged.


Tacitus  2 | 1471
25 Jul 2026   #78
.highly industrialized and successful economically and socially

I don't know where you got the idea from that the AfD places importance on our industry... If you listened to Höcke and Chrupalla, then 'd know that they'd much rather see Germans live more in touch in nature. Very much how the Okös in the Green party want. Less consumerism, preferably everyone with his own garden.

Like the Green party they leave out that Germans would end up with a much lower standard of living.


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #79
@Bratwurst Boy
Have you thought of tourism? With global warming and a Baltic Sea coast, you could be the new Spain. That sounds a nice idea.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #80
The CDU?

Merkel moved the CDU so much to the left that the Right became an empty void. Without Merkel there would be no AfD today...another big failure from her!

When were they last in power?

Through the Merkel CDU and all the SPD-CDU coalitions!

Before Merkel it was like this....

Center + Right - CDU/CSU
Center + Left - SPD

After/during Merkel it became like this:

Center + Right - CSU (but only in Bavaria)
Center + Left - CDU
Left + Green - SPD
Green + Left - Greens
Old Left + New Left - Left

New Right + old Conservatism - AfD

Nostalgia only wins votes from the aged.

A nice saying but so wrong!

Socialism is in all leftists minds the new, progressive thing, but it always loses against the "nostalgic" wish for a better living.

When people hear all the propaganda about that nice and wonderful oh so progressive future and they look out of the window to see the dreary present, such a nostalgic promise gains voters across the ages! Thats how the GDR lost.....


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #81
I don't know where you got the idea from that the AfD places importance on..

That's the thing...that is not the question!

The AfD promises a change, or at least a stop to the actual "keep at it!" by the usual politicians.

The only talking point right now seems to be how to keep the things going as they are when the AfD wins...even if that means building former impossible coalitions...or as one said so nicely: "The people vote right and still get left!"
(Of course the other main talking point seems to be a possible ban for the whole party...but never the needed changes!)

The real party program becomes less important in such a mood....

IMHO the AfD would be alot less successful if the current mainstream wouldn't hate her so much, wouldn't build her up as such a revolutionary party....that brings her all the unhappy voter!


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #82
Merkel moved the CDU so much to the left

She was full on capitalist, surely?

CDU and all the SPD-CDU

You can't call that left wing.

Socialism is in all leftists minds the new, progressive thing, but

More about retaining capital in the communities that generate it.

I saw a voting map of Germany relating parties and population. It seemed that the extreme right gets its votes in the eastern part which was shown as less populated.


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #83
She was full on capitalist, surely?

My personal guess is....she never had an idea!

She is an Ossi (like me)....she had no bond with the western CDU of old, the one of the big names like Erhardt, Adenauer, Kohl....and how could she!

So she made a new kind of politics, populist you would call it today...swinging after the moods and the wishes of what was actual Zeitgeist (otherwise we would still have our nuclear reactors for cheap and clean energy and the mass immigrations of muslims would not have been allowed either)....no interest in what is good for Germany long term...under her rule Germany had the highest number on non-voters....millions of Germans who no longer felt presented, despairing quietly and ignored....till that new party came with open arms...tja!

It seemed that the extreme right gets its votes in the eastern part which was..

True, but that seems to change....slowly the more populated West gains too....and even Berlin, yes...rainbow, gay LEFT Berlin:

Insa poll: AfD in first place in Berlin

The election to the Berlin state parliament is on September 20. A new poll sees the AfD in the lead in the capital for the first time. The CDU and the Left Party are equally close behind in second place.

23.07.2026 - 15:55 Uhr

handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/wahl-zum-abgeordnetenhaus-insa-umfrage-afd-in-berlin-auf-platz-eins/100242449.html


mafketis  46 | 12398
25 Jul 2026   #84
AfD would be alot less successful if the current mainstream wouldn't hate her so much

The success of AfD is mostly due to the embarrassing failure of the German political establishment to do things that a majority of Germans want...

When supposedly rational office holders ignore the wishes of the citizenry the loons have an opening.

Simple as.


Tacitus  2 | 1471
25 Jul 2026   #85
"The people vote right and still get left!"

That happens if too many people vote for a party that has no interest in working with other parties and whose election program is incompatible with them.

Every vote for the AfD is a vote thrown away. If 1/4 of the people who voted AfD in the last election had voted for the CDU instead, than Merz could would have had much greater bargain power during the coalition talks. Maybe then we would have had more CDU "pure".


Bratwurst Boy  10 | 13166
25 Jul 2026   #86
Every vote for the AfD is a vote thrown away.

About 30% (one third of the voters!!!) being named and treated as "thrown away" is definitely not democratic and will end badly, Tac!


Przelotnyptak1  1 | 1259
25 Jul 2026   #87
That's something we must all work towards, however there's still a need for other types..

Jon ,are unicorns real?


Przelotnyptak1  1 | 1259
25 Jul 2026   #88
Have you thought of tourism? With global warming and a Baltic Sea coast, you could..

Jon, have you forgotten predictions loudly proclaimed with your leader, maniacs by the name Gore, that our days were numbered, ten years ago we should be drowning, like his polar bear photographed in the zoo. Denver Colorado would have been ocean front city. Are unicorns real?


Lyzko9bda5804d1f
25 Jul 2026   #89
@Przelotnyptak, and not all Rightists are right aka correct in their judgement either, my flightless friend!

If Trump and J.D. were not at war with NATO and the whole EU, things would be easier for you guys.


jon357  77 | 26108
25 Jul 2026   #90
your leader

Charles or Andy?

Every vote for the AfD is a vote thrown away

Yes

despairing quietly and ignored

It's always possible to do factory work in, say, China or nearer in Poland and remit money back home.





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