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POLISH GAS RESERVES


rychlik 41 | 374    
6 May 2010  #1
Can anyone shed some light on this? I read Americans are going to drilling for it. Why can't Poles do it themselves? What are the details?
plk123 8 | 4,154    
6 May 2010  #2
yes.

latarnia
1jola 14 | 1,880    
6 May 2010  #3
What are the details?

You read an article and you want someone to tell you what it said?
szkotja2007 27 | 1,501    
6 May 2010  #4
Conoco Philips is drilling in the shale beds near the bay of Gdansk.

Poland is estimated to have just over a million cubic metres of exploitable gas reserves.

Why can't Poles do it themselves?

Yeah, pop round to Biedronka and get a drilling derrick and a few jars for the gas.....
Bartolome 2 | 1,085    
6 May 2010  #5
Poles can't do it because we don't have the technology. Basically, shale gas is 1) located very deep and 2) deposited in between fractures in the rock.

So drilling for shale gas requires equipment and knowledge which Poland, I'm afraid, doesn't have.
1jola 14 | 1,880    
6 May 2010  #6
Let me show you how to do it. When you start a thread, you google "Gas Reserves Poland" and you will find articles on the subject, like this one:

Vast reserves of shale gas lying under Poland could free Western Europe from its dependence on Russian natural gas in the future with the help of recent advances in American extraction technology.

According to the Times, energy consultants Wood Mackenzie estimate up to 1.36 trillion cubic metres of unconventional shale gas could be lying under northern and central Poland. If the find is confirmed it will increase the EU's reserves by 47 per cent and offer a more reliable alternative to Russia's vast natural gas supplies. ConocoPhillips is planning to start drilling near Gdansk next month and will be followed ExxonMobil.

thefirstpost.co.uk/61807,business,poland-gas-find-threatens-russias-hold-over-eu

The question is why is the present government signing huge gas deals with Russia for way more gas than we need for the next 30 years?
Velund 1 | 347    
6 May 2010  #7
The question is why is the present government signing huge gas deals with Russia for way more gas than we need for the next 30 years?

May be to resell it with a good profit to Ukraine, once ukronazis will come to power again and denounce linked gas discount-fleet base agreements? ;)

By the way, estimate up to 1.36 trillion cubic metres of unconventional shale gas is not the same as gas in pipes. ;) And there is always questions about composition of these deposits. It may require some expensive pre-treatement before it will be safe to feed to pipelines.
1jola 14 | 1,880    
6 May 2010  #8
It may require some expensive pre-treatement before it will be safe to feed to pipelines.

It is expensive to drill, no doubt, but as you well know Russia has cut the tap at will even in the recent past.

As to the Ukis, ala Svoboda and UNA-UNSO, I wonder if they will plunge Ukraine into civil war and try to separate. They are not happy at the moment. Of course, they will have to get new heroes if they want to join EU.
Jed - | 165    
6 May 2010  #9
Russia has cut the tap at will even in the recent past.

Until you have money - you shouldn't worry about:)

As to the Ukis, ala Svoboda and UNA-UNSO, I wonder if they will plunge Ukraine into civil war and try to separate.

Yanukovich would be happy to make you a gift - Lvov and Volyn' back together with these funny guys :)
Velund 1 | 347    
6 May 2010  #10
They are not happy at the moment.

There is no known way to make everyone in the world happy at once. ;) At least my realtives in Ukraine is pretty satisfied by warming in relations with Russia. So, it's ok and for me too.

Just looks little bit expensive... ;)

It is expensive to drill, no doubt

I'm not about drilling. I'm about the gas itself.

I was in Udmurtia last year to install some telemetry equipment for a local oil company. Seen many places where gas that come with oil is simply burned for nothing in a special furnaces set aside of oil fields, near oil preparation facilities. Asked why not use it for something more usefil - and was told that it has so much ballast gases so it cannot be considered a high quality fuel. And, in addition, it is quite corrosive, and its preparations for safe transfer by pipes would cost more that it may be worth by itself.
1jola 14 | 1,880    
6 May 2010  #11
Yanukovich would be happy to make you a gift - Lvov and Volyn' back together with these funny guys :)

If he throws in Galicia, we'll take it.

At least my realtives in Ukraine is pretty satisfied by warming in relations with Russia. So, it's ok and for me too.

People in the eastern part are naturally content, but the ones in the western part aren't. They have a point as they've been dealt face-losing blows lately, topping it off with a PM who doesn't speak Ukrainian.

From the article linked above:

there is concern that the Gas Exporting Countries Forum (GECF), which includes Russia and Algeria, the two major gas exporters to Europe, could one day become a "gas OPEC", able to set quotas and prices as the oil cartel does.

I'm sure that is not only Poland's concern. It's just business anyway, in which Russia has plenty of 'friends' in our gov and fuel companies. Unlike Germany and Czech Republic, Poland has not weeded out the agents, ours and yours, from strategic positions. Same game, just blue ties instead of red.
Velund 1 | 347    
6 May 2010  #12
If he throws in Galicia, we'll take it.

I doubt that I will cry then. ;)
convex 20 | 3,980    
8 May 2010  #13
It is expensive to drill, no doubt, but as you well know Russia has cut the tap at will even in the recent past.

UPC does the same thing interestingly enough.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,653    
9 May 2010  #14
The question is why is the present government signing huge gas deals with Russia for way more gas than we need for the next 30 years?

Isn't the answer quite simple?

It guarantees supplies to Poland at a fixed rate. Poland can plan ahead, perhaps paying a bit more than is necessary at the time, but the taps won't be turned off - and people won't be going cold in winter.

Unless of course, you think it's wise to rely on unpredictable supplies when you have a very vulnerable section of society living in sub-standard accomodation in many cases.
David_18 68 | 982    
31 Jul 2010  #15
Thread attached on merging:
Poland: the next gas superpower?

As the drilling begins, the prospects are making Poles salivate. Radoslaw Sikorski, the foreign minister, said that within 10 to 15 years, Poland may become an enormously wealthy state, another energy giant like Norway, thanks to the gas.

globalpost.com/dispatch/poland/100703/poland-gas-energy-europe-russia

So... Is the gas Polands saviour?
convex 20 | 3,980    
31 Jul 2010  #16
might want to search before posting. there are a couple of threads on this.
David_18 68 | 982    
31 Jul 2010  #17
Not rlly... This is a thread to discuss Poland's possibilities to be a Gas superpower.
convex 20 | 3,980    
31 Jul 2010  #18
Alright, it's already been discussed but here goes. Poland has enough gas reserves to supply the EU for almost 18 months.

Next question.
David_18 68 | 982    
31 Jul 2010  #19
Haha you're booring :P

Next question.

Would it create new jobs?
Would the people get richer?
smurf 39 | 1,983    
31 Jul 2010  #20
From what I've read on the subject they estimate that if they find all the gas they predict to find they'll increase Europe's gas by 45%

That's massive.

ATM Poland consumes 14billion cubic litres of gas, but they may be able to produce 1.4 trillion litres.

Poland's been wasting it's time with coal and shoulda been drilling for gas a long time ago.

Just whatever happens pray to whatever kinda god you believe in and dont do what the irish govt. did and give all the rights to Shell, they'll cut every possible corner and if you look at Shell's record in Nigeria it doesn't make for happy reading.

Best bet, IMO would be to try and get the Norwegian invovled but try and keep most of the money in Poland
David_18 68 | 982    
31 Jul 2010  #21
dont do what the irish govt. did and give all the rights to Shell, they'll cut every possible corner and if you look at Shell's record in Nigeria it doesn't make for happy reading.

I hope Poland will have a win to win situation in this.

Best bet, IMO would be to try and get the Norwegian invovled but try and keep most of the money in Poland

Norwegia would actually be Polands competitor in that area.
Velund 1 | 347    
1 Aug 2010  #22
This is a thread to discuss Poland's possibilities to be a Gas superpower.

Possibilities are endless. Just plant more beans. ;)

In reality, there is many questions that should be answered first. Is there enough reserves to make drilling economically reasonable? How many "ballast" gases it contain in addition to methane? What sort of preparation will be necessary to be able to transport it (is it enough to dry it, or it is necessary to remove sulfur compounds to make it less corrosive)?
convex 20 | 3,980    
1 Aug 2010  #23
The initial drilling costs more, but running costs are the same as conventional wells. The environmental impact is much worse unless you don't care about your water supply.

Wood Mackenzie has estimates at 48tcf, which is 10% of the estimated European shale reserves.

Norway is sitting on 80tcf of proven conventional reserves which are already being exploited.

Remember, there are zero proven reserves in Poland at the moment....

With Nordstream, the Russians can drop the price of their Turkmen and Siberian gas.

It's going to be interesting. Hopefully the price of gas will bottom out, good for everyone right? Poland will have home grown supplies, Russia won't be able to make nearly as much money, and consumers will be able spend money on things other than energy...
smurf 39 | 1,983    
1 Aug 2010  #24
Norwegia would actually be Polands competitor in that area.

Possibly but would you rather have (experienced) Norwegian partners who would actually reinvest it into other drills/wells etc or just yanks who'd just take the gas and the profits out of Poland & Europe

Norway have a really good record with energy, when they were at the peak of their oil production they were reinvesting 25% of everything back into the industry
convex 20 | 3,980    
1 Aug 2010  #25
yanks who'd just take the gas and the profits out of Poland & Europe

You don't quite understand the concept of global corporations eh? There is no more us vs. them.
smurf 39 | 1,983    
1 Aug 2010  #26
miow!

What I said was it'd be better to have the norwegians involved, as they are better experienced and would follow reinvestment plans to improve the efficacy of the drilling/finding/production etc. while also having a better regard for the environment.

The americans would have absolutely no regard for any of these things, look at their record in venezuela, nigeria & iraq.

however, I have absolutely no doubt that the politicans will take on the highest bidder and go for the quick buck rather than doing what is best for the country in the longer-term
convex 20 | 3,980    
1 Aug 2010  #27
The americans would have absolutely no regard for any of these things, look at their record in venezuela, nigeria & iraq.

You mean PDVSA/Citgo in Venezuela, Shell in Nigeria, and Total in Iraq?

"Americans" is too easy man
smurf 39 | 1,983    
1 Aug 2010  #28
You mean PDVSA/Citgo in Venezuela, Shell in Nigeria, and Total in Iraq?

Sure PDVSA takes it's orders from Washington

Ok, Shell are Dutch, my bad there

But Total are Americans, aren't they?
Sure,if I'm wrong i'm wrong I can take it on the chin.

But still think the norwegians are the way to go for Poland.
Who would you get to run it?
ShawnH 8 | 1,498    
1 Aug 2010  #29
But Total are Americans, aren't they?

French, if I am not mistaken...
total.com/en/about-total/total-saga-940552.html
David_18 68 | 982    
1 Aug 2010  #30
Who would you get to run it?

Gazprom of course!!!!!!


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