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Polish food shop blown up in the UK - result of gas "leak"?


rozumiemnic 8 | 3,586    
8 Mar 2018  #181
you can bet that one such poster will start a thread about it with phrases like 'life in prison is too good for these polish criminals' calling them 'polish scum' ....especially in the uk

got any examples of that?
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Mar 2018  #182
And I have many friends in Poland who don't do this.

Thats because your friends are not marxists commies who believe taking money from Businesses is not a crime but a form of social justice.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
8 Mar 2018  #183
And I have many friends in Poland who don't do this.

As do we both, I suspect.

As I've said before, personal injury lawyers are on the rise in Poland, and bottom-feeding leeches though they are, this will probably have a beneficial effect on safety culture.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
8 Mar 2018  #184
@rozumiemnic

Sure. One merely needs to search through PF to find threads about crimes that Poles committed abroad - especially in UK. That's not the only threads though that generalize and stereotype Poles. Just take a look at some of the more recent threads - one calls all Poles crazy drivers, another says Polish registered drivers should all have alkomat devices in their cabs after Brexit, a third talking about all the Polish criminals in UK as if they were committed more and more heinous crimes than other groups, etc. Yet when someone says something about Israel/Jews, or point out the facts showing that Muslims/migrants are primarily responsible for the increase in crimes in Europe since 2015, etc their feathers are all ruffled.
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
8 Mar 2018  #185
Crossed my mind too, but as Paula said it took a while to get used to it.

The expats are somewhat a strange breed. I think they have one face to show to the people of Poland whom they meet in the street or at work and another one to show themselves and to other foreigners. They show the other face on the PF as this is an English-language forum, so they feel as if they were outside Poland and so can show their true colours. Not all of them are like that, of course, of course, but certainly most of them are.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Mar 2018  #186
I think they have one face to show to the people of Poland whom they meet in the street or at work

This is a proven fact
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
8 Mar 2018  #187
I think they have one face to show to the people of Poland whom they meet in the street or at work and another one to show themselves and to other foreigners

Many of them talk sh1t about Poland and Poles here because they're unable to in real life as it would undoubtedly affect their friendships, relationships, work, etc. They write all these things about Poland/Poles - calling them scum, stupid, backward, etc yet I'd like to see them say half of that stuff to some big ass Polish dude.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Mar 2018  #188
Many of them talk sh1t about Poland and Poles here

And the next thing you see is an article they publish in Poland, singing its praises .
OP Dougpol1 24 | 1,895    
8 Mar 2018  #189
there were two theories as to what happened in GdaƄsk in 1995.

Yes, I read that too. I was going by the reports at the time, which lead I seem to remember to flags at half mast, that a crim had bypassed the meter. That tragedy stood out at the time, and the Katowice explosion was extremely nasty, and it was lucky in that it didn't spread to other mansions on the block.

It's all a bit sad, because there isn't even a memorial stone at that Gdansk site, but the dog did lift his leg against the new building that stands there, without me even realising that it was the site.

The dog didn't know either I presume.
Look. It was a "Polish" shop in Leicester. I for one didn't know that Asians have hit on the idea of catering for Poles and Eastern Europeans in this way. Poles had history for non respect for utilities (not the joke that Dirk seems to think it is - and he wouldn't be laughing..etc etc...) and I made a silly generalisation. I am happy to apologise.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
8 Mar 2018  #190
@Ziemowit
As for the expats being two faced ... A couple of days ago a poster asked about a magazine. The poster was soon banned. I googled the magazine. Among its writers I found a name I recognised. I had been told it was one of the regulars here. The funny part is that in one of his articles he tells expats not to look down at Poles and stop considering themselves superior.

If it's really one of the British bullies here, I really can't believe how hypocritical he is. If it's not him, well he should read the article. So should his fellow bullies.

Anyway, since the advice given in the article sounds pretty good, I guess it's high time for the British bullies to stop considering themselves superior to Poles. Don't play with the gas installations. I promise not to play with mine ;)
spiritus 67 | 659    
8 Mar 2018  #191
Poles had history for non respect for utilities

I wasn't expecting or looking for an apology so that doesn't draw a line under it.

Show me where Poles have a disproportionate "history" of bypassing gas meters. How many times do I have to ask you to back up the claims that you continue to repeat ? As long as you continue to peddle this claim then I will continue to badger you for proof. If you can't back it up then admit you fabricated the claim and THEN we can draw a line under it.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
8 Mar 2018  #192
Poles had history for non respect for utilities (not the joke that Dirk seems to think it is - and he wouldn't be laughing..etc etc...)

It's not that we don't have a 'respect' for utilities (first off, in order to receive respect, you must first give it - respect is earned, not given freely), it's that Poles due to our history of world war, communism, the western betrayal, the Marriott brigades that divided polish industries amongst themselves with the backing of polish eurocrat hacks, etc simply look for shortcuts. We are 'cwaniaki' - if there's an easier, cheaper way to do something or an easy to way pay less for some service or product then you bet Poles will exploit it. They will tell their neighbors, friends, and even offer the service to them also - as is common to this day with pirated cable/satellite hookups. It is ingrained in every Pole, especially the older generations, to use their wits to survive and get ahead. Why shouldn't they? Unfortunately, Poles try to scam each other when they should be united and scamming those who have harmed or exploited Poland. Most Poles however are hardworking - they wake up each and every day to contribute to the society in which they live. They see it as a right to obtain certain services for cheaper as our tax money is being used to support the lazy and unassimilated people who live generation after generation on benefits and have 10 kids - which end up in part Polish taxpayers' burden whether they be in UK, US, etc.
johnny reb 15 | 3,069    
8 Mar 2018  #193
If it's really one of the British bullies here, I really can't believe how hypocritical he is.

Yes, it was and yes so hypocritical that tears actually ran down my cheeks laughing as I read it.
He described himself to a "T" didn't he. lol
Is it any wonder why he had the Admin. delete that thread and have the OP suspended.
How embarrassing to say the least.
Back on topic however.................
Can anyone tell me what someone who tampers with a public utility with intentions to steal that utility is ?
Doesn't sound like it is severe enough for people to take the risk.
Here in the States such a conviction would fall under felony Grand Larceny with other charges stacked on.
You would be looking at some serious prison time if you had any previous arrests.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Mar 2018  #194
Yes, it was and yes so hypocritical

It was gobsmackingly so.

gas tampering Needs to have a min 10 year sentance
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
8 Mar 2018  #195
Here in the States such a conviction would fall under felony Grand Larceny with other charges stacked on.

Grand larceny only applies to thefts over $500 per theft, it is not cumulative. So when people steal credit card numbers, checks, cash fake money orders, etc. they are careful to do it just under the $500 threshold so it is a simple misdemeanor.

Can anyone tell me what someone who tampers with a public utility with intentions to steal that utility is ?

It's usually to either get free electricity with power lines. For cable/satellite, it's to pay significantly less and still get all the channels of the best package. With gas meters it depends - some dig into supplies and run it into their house to get free gas, others to pay less, others tap into lines, just depends.

It's also fairly common in grow houses that have a lot of plants - like hundreds which would def tip off the utilities company. But if you're taking it from your neighbors or direct from the line they wont know.

There's plenty of videos and how to guides on how to tap into gas and electrical lines. Most people who are caught seem to just get a fine and have to pay back bills but few seem to have faced serious criminal charges.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
8 Mar 2018  #196
gas tampering Needs to have a min 10 year sentance

That sentence is a bit stiff, however as far as I know the maximum sentence for theft is quite high. Electrical tampering too. Nobody wants to get an electrical shock from theit kitchen sink because the guy next door has done something that has stopped their supply from earthing properly.

I had this in the UK once - nobody was stealing anything, however (in an old terraced house) the wiring was earthed to the water pipes, as it always used to be, and some fool had replaced theirs with plastic and told nobody.

An issue trhat occurs sometimes in Poland (sadly all too common,as the authorities report) is when people in apartment buildings install their own boilers and vent them into the normal ventilation system. This can get blocked (sometimes people do this deliberately to sdave money on heating) and it causes Carbon Monoxide to vent into the individual flats. Peiople die every year because of this.
johnny reb 15 | 3,069    
8 Mar 2018  #197
Grand larceny only applies to thefts over $500 per theft,

Yup and stealing electricity or gas could easily fall under grand larceny.

it is not cumulative

If they can prove it I would have to think it would be.
johnny reb 15 | 3,069    
8 Mar 2018  #198
Abstracting electricity is an either-way offence, which carries a penalty of conviction or indictment of a maximum term of 5 years imprisonment.
On summary conviction, the offence carries a maximum term of 6 months imprisonment and/or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Mar 2018  #199
the wiring was earthed to the water pipes

Common in Poland for the earth pin to be wired to neutral this works until the neutral at the breaker board fails or the power company pulls neutral before live during service work then bang goes babcia who is sitting on the metal chassis of the washing machine trying to get her weekly thrill.

Me I jumper-ed neutral to earth at various points using three foot earth rods.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
8 Mar 2018  #200
bang goes babcia who is sitting on the metal chassis of the washing machine trying to get her weekly thrill.

I used to get a tingle from the sink whenever I switched the kettle on for a cuppa. Lying in the metal bath, I'm lucky I wasn't galvanised...

That however was in the U.K. in Poland I had the opposite problem. An electrical socket that didn't work. I unscrewed it from the wall to see if there was a loose wire. There was in fact no wire or in fact anything at all except blank wall; the socket was purely decorative. At least it was safe though...
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Mar 2018  #201
the socket was purely decorative.

Yes we need more of those here
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
8 Mar 2018  #202
@johnny reb

Its per act stealing $400 worth of stuff in 5 seperate instances would result in 5 counts of misdemeanor theft instead of 1 count of felony theft. Its the same for assault murder white collar crime etc. Generally in a plea though a person is convincted of a lesser crime (i.e. felony possession of a small amount of cocaine reduced to a high level misdemeanor, or a large amount of cocaine reduced from a x or class 1 felony to a 3 or 4)
OP Dougpol1 24 | 1,895    
9 Mar 2018  #203
first off, in order to receive respect, you must first give it - respect is earned, not given freely

Thanks for that old chestnut Dirk,
as in "A gentleman never talks about how much money he earns" :)

Show me where Poles have a disproportionate "history" of bypassing gas meters.

I said "a history" - not so true today, what with the yearly checks from the gas board. Wifey's cousin is a developer of sorts, and used to tell stories. Anecdotal evidence, and I prefer to believe his stories of small town Dabrowa Gornicza and their cost saving measures of the past, to your rose tinted vision of your fellow Poles

Now, as to pleasantries, what about an apology from you for your racist diatribes on this board?

superior to Poles.

Nothing to do with who is "superior." We are all human and we all mess up. I would expect a Pole living in Britain, a taxpayer, to pull somebody up about ******** on his doorstep (an analogy). Nobody has the superior air in such a situation.

I do get pissed off though when the po lice tell me to switch of rear fog lamps though because "they look like brake lights" (even though visibility in the night in question in Tychy was down to 10 yards due to fog).

Clueless little fokkers. Then I do feel superior, yes, and unlike another poster, who suggested that one doesn't face up to people - I invariably tell said Mr policeman to go and do one.
OP Dougpol1 24 | 1,895    
9 Mar 2018  #204
more recent threads - one calls all Poles crazy drivers, another says Polish registered drivers...

Yes, I don't agree with that opinion myself. If you put 800,00 Brits in Poland tomorrow, half of them would be banged up double quick for going on the lash :) :)
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
9 Mar 2018  #205
what about an apology from you for your racist diatribes on this board?

In poland its ok to not like certain groups of people because of their links to terror or incompatibility with polish society. I think its only foreigners who wish to push their multi cultural agenda onto Poland, multi Culti works in Britain doug but I could never see it working out in Poland or anywhere further east.

Anyway please post examples of explosions caused by gas tampering in poland I have not seen an article since I have lived here, we have accidents where I am because we mainly use gas bottles, people dont change hoses when the get old, or they forget to turn the bottle off that sort of thing
OP Dougpol1 24 | 1,895    
9 Mar 2018  #206
please post examples of explosions caused by gas tampering in poland

I would be happy to, but multi-tasking at the moment - with the gas turned up.
spiritus 67 | 659    
9 Mar 2018  #207
I said "a history" - not so true today,

Another admission that you were wrong-at least we are making progress. You say Poles have "history" or "form" for bypassing gas meters but you have still failed to provide any proof. I will ask you again to show proof that Poles are guilty of doing this in disproportionate numbers to other nationalities.

Let's see the hard facts that have shaped your opinion. We can all find different nationalities that have bypassed meters but it doesn't prove anything.

what about an apology from you for your racist diatribes on this board?

Show me where I have been racist or is that another Doug-ism ?
OP Dougpol1 24 | 1,895    
9 Mar 2018  #208
Another admission that you were wrong

And what about an admission from you Spiritus that you are wrong to make every single thread into a religious centred rant?
Joker - | 671    
9 Mar 2018  #209
You say Poles have "history" or "form" for bypassing gas meters but you have still failed to provide any proof.

I dont think any nationality has a monopoly on construction hack jobs. Ive seen all kinds of shoddy work. However, it usually doesnt result in an explosion, but you get what you pay for. I only would hire a licensed contractor to begin with.

Do they have trade unions in the UK?

There was in fact no wire or in fact anything at all except blank wall; the socket was purely decorative.

Haha, Its just like the dummy thermostats I install in office buildings. The yuppie tenants think they are turning up the air conditioning, but the entire building is controlled thru a (BAS ) Building Automated System.

Perhaps, its true about some psychological effect on a person thinking they are controlling the air temp. I cant figure out the reasoning behind the wall socket.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
10 Mar 2018  #210
@Dougpol1
Feeling angry or annoyed in such a situation doesn't surprise me. Feeling superior does ...




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