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Chairman Kaczyński said..... / Opinions and ideas uttered by the leader of the PIS


hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
26 Jul 2012 #211
consistently achieving 30% in all elections.

Let's face it though this is a group of people, and i think that every society has them, that would even vote for Caligula's horse if it was leader of PIS. These people will always vote PIS or its bigoted and hateful equivalent till the day they die. It all comes down to the glass half empty mentality, and casting their vote based on who they hate the most. I am sure you know the type Delp, it's the 'ojojojoj, this is bad, that is bad, they can't to this, they are stealing our money. He or she looks rich, i wonder whose money they are stealing. But the priest said this, that is wrong because....and on it goes." It's the people who suck the life force out of you, when you happen to be in their presence.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
26 Jul 2012 #212
Let's face it though this is a group of people, and i think that every society has them, that would even vote for Caligula's horse if it was leader of PIS. These people will always vote PIS or its bigoted and hateful equivalent till the day they die.

That is exactly the essence of the PiS electorate. What's amazing, however, is that in Poland they are - as Delph says - consistently achieving 30% in all elections. Even if it is actually a bit less, the proportion is still very significant and I wonder if any other big European country has such a big share of population voting for "its bigoted and hateful equivalent" of PiS in their own elections.

'I am sure you know the type Delp, ojojojoj, this is bad, that is bad, they can't to this, they are stealing our money.

To a certain extent, it can be explained by the rapid transitiion of Poland from communism to capitalism, and the fact that the transition was done to the disadvantage of some groups such as farmers.There used to be of course cases of capturing various assets by the former "nomenclatura" of the communist party. But the problem with PiS is that it pushes this into the front of the agenda, intentionally ignoring the very positive sides of the transition.

Prove it is such a crap.

It is crap, because you made a blanket statement about PO not allowing PIS professors to be appointed to university faculties, without backing this statement up with any facts.

Puzzie, my dear friend, this is exactly what you should prove first. And instead of indulging yourself in any further demands for "proof" from me, read this carefully once again and try to "back this blanket statements up with any facts".
Puzzie 1 | 63
26 Jul 2012 #213
Puzzie, my dear friend, this is exactly what you should prove first.

What should i prove first? Do you mean I should prove first something before you prove the validity of your statements about myself? If yes, why should I do that?

So can you prove the validity of your statements about myself, or you can't?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
26 Jul 2012 #214
Do you mean I should prove first something before you prove the validity of your statements about myself?

Yes, you should prove this:

It is crap, because you [Puzzie] made a blanket statement about PO not allowing PIS professors to be appointed to university faculties, without backing this statement up with any facts.

or admit it was crap. Facts first. We are all waiting for it.

Then I will prove the validity of my statements about you.
Puzzie 1 | 63
26 Jul 2012 #215
you made a blanket statement about PO not allowing PIS professors to be appointed to university faculties,

Prove I made such a statement - point out my post which allegedly contains it.

quote=hague1cmaeron]On the the grounds that he is a complete failure as opposition leader and regarded as pure poison among the broader electorate, so on the presumption that they aren't completely brain dead, they would have a very good idea of his standing among voters and yet they do or are incapable of doing nothing. [/quote]

Prove that Kaczynski is a failure as an oposition leader.

So you say the proof that PiS members allegedly want to get rid off Kaczynski but are too gutless or incompetent to do it is that Kaczynski is regarded as "pure poison" among some "broader electorate" (who is it?)? What would you mean by that?

Prove you're telling the truth.

Yes, you should prove this

Do you mean I should prove the validity of the statement that PO is not allowing PIS professors to be appointed to university faculties?

Why should I do that? I never made such a statement. Do you say I made it? Prove I did.

So can you prove you were telling the truth in your statements about me, or you can't?
landora - | 199
26 Jul 2012 #216
Prove that Kaczynski is a failure as an oposition leader.

With pleasure.

Wins :

2005 - Presidential Elections
2005 - Sejm
2005 - Senat

Losses :

1991 - 4th place in the Sejm election
1993 - no seats in the Sejm
2002 - 3rd place in the Sejmik elections
2004 - 3rd place in the European election
2006 - Sejmik elections - 2nd place
2006 - county council elections - 2nd place
2006 - muncipal councils - 3rd place
2006 - mayoral elections - 3rd place
2007 - Sejm - 2nd place
2007 - Senat - 2nd place
2009 - European elections - 2nd place
2010 - Presidential election - 2nd place
2010 - Sejmiks - 2nd place
2010 - county councils - 3rd place
2010 - municipal councils - 3rd place
2011 - Sejm - 2nd place
2011 - Senat - 2nd place

He has lost 13 straight elections. That's a failure in politics by any stretch of the imagination.

What's amazing, however, is that in Poland they are - as Delph says - consistently achieving 30% in all elections. Even if it is actually a bit less, the proportion is still very significant and I wonder if any other big European country has such a big share of population voting for "its bigoted and hateful equivalent" of PiS in their own elections.

The behaviour of Fidesz in Hungary could perhaps be compared to PiS, I suppose. The proportion is very significant - and I think it's because there are many voters who don't agree with Jarek, but they know that there's no other alternative for their viewpoint.

To a certain extent, it can be explained by the rapid transitiion of Poland from communism to capitalism, and the fact that the transition was done to the disadvantage of some groups such as farmers

Indeed - as far as I'm aware, the "lower classes" in society lost considerably with the transition. No longer were flats subsidised by the State, no longer were holidays and childcare paid for, etc etc. It's no surprise that they gravitate towards PiS, especially with the rhetoric that Kaczynski promises. And there was a very large group of educated individuals who voted for PiS last time round - the foresters. Not because they like Kaczynski, but solely because the Government were making noises about taking them more under Governmental control and potentially privatising them.

It must be pointed out that compared to the instability of AWS, Kaczynski has very much united the "right" in Poland against a perceived common enemy.

But all this stuff about "not talking about PiS in schools and universities" is utter rubbish. We all know that PiS were shouting from the rooftops about professors/etc who supported them last time round, after all.
Puzzie 1 | 63
26 Jul 2012 #217
He has lost 13 straight elections. That's a failure in politics by any stretch of the imagination.

No, I didn't ask for proving that losing 13 elections is a failure, only for proving that Premier Jaroslaw Kaczynski is a failure.

Can you prove he is a failure?

Some valid points you've made, Delphi. If you're saying, though, that Kaczynski has united only "Catholic-Socialist" voters, it wouldn't seem true, as among his voters appear to be also numerous conservative, pro-free-market and patriotic non-Catholics. There seem to be also some voters who regard PiS as the lesser evil than PO et consortes.
boletus 30 | 1,366
26 Jul 2012 #218
If you care about Poland's good, you should vote PiS as, in spite of their shortcomings (which party doesn't have them?), it's the only serious and realistic alternative to the destructive rule of the PO.

This is your message #197, Puzzie, isn't it? So unless your logic is imported from another planet your statement can be logically analysed here.
So let us introduce first few abbreviated definitions:
B1: Bad Wolves is a union of all staunch PO supporters, all staunch SLD supporters and all staunch Ruch Palikota supporters
B2: Bad Wolf Head is a head of English department who is also a member of Bad Wolves.
B3: Cinderellas is an intersection of all employees in English departments of all Polish universities and schools with a set of all staunch PiS supporters

Now Puzzie, here is your sweeping statement broken in two parts:

P1: Heads of English departments in all Polish universities and schools are likely to be Bad Wolves.
P2: P1 implies that any Cinderella is likely to be persecuted by Bad Wolf Head

Now, Puzzie I have several questions to you:
P1: What is a likelihood of P1, Puzzie? Probability 1.0 - meaning that ALL heads of English departments are the Bad Wolves? Or you just meant only something greater than 0.5? So Puzzie, declare yourself: did you mean 0.75, 0.90 or what? Or you just really meant SOME? Like: some heads of English departments in ALL Polish universities and schools are the Bad Wolves?

Do not tell us that you really meant just one head of the English department in Skarżysko-Kamienna, an affiliation of University of Jan Kochanowski in Kielce? Or something like that?

To summarize: unless you provide some factual data your statement P1 is as much worth as that of a drunk from a local bar. ZERO.

P2: What is a chance that a Cinderella is likely to be persecuted a Bad Wolf Head? 100%, meaning that EVERY Bad Wolf Head is morally corrupted? Or do you graciously admit that some Bad Wolf Heads are men with high morals? So what would be your assessment? 75%, 90%? Well, you already know the game, and you know that you cannot win here, because you have no answer to this question either.

In other words, Puzzie, all the noise you have been making in the last few pages of this topic, all that "prove it" childish games, are just that - just noise. Grow up.

Aside from the lack of logic in your message you really irked me implying that the Bad Wolves are the same as Stalinists by saying "you must do it in secret", "you got to be very careful of your political views". It was in 1950s that people had to be careful about their views, when a joke about Stalin could land you in Siberia, when little kids stood guard outside school houses while their parents discussed dangerous subject of collectivisation with confused peasants inside. Thank God, this times are gone at least since 1960s. And even under communist rule you did not have to be a PZPR party member to head some departments. And certainly not a fecking head of any department, could tell me what to think or what to do. In most cases they did not dare, no they cared.

And now you come with your PROPAGANDA here. Don't you see that you are no different in your blind obedience to xyz ideas, than ZMP or ZMS activists were? "Destructive rule of the PO, neo-communists", my ass.

Yes, this compares well with: "Zaplute karły reakcji". Matches well.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
26 Jul 2012 #219
What should i prove first? Do you mean I should prove first something before you prove the validity of your statements about myself? If yes, why should I do that?

If you continue like this, people will begin to think that you are quite dim.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
27 Jul 2012 #220
In other words, Puzzie, all the noise you have been making in the last few pages of this topic, all that "prove it" childish games, are just that - just noise. Grow up.

Yes, "childish game" is a what best depicts this person's childish behaviour here.

Yes, this compares well with: "Zaplute karły reakcji". Matches well.

Yes, it does match very well. That's why I got so angry with his game. Along with some other Polish persons of his age (presumably rather young) on the forum who did never live an adult life under communism, Puzzie has been spreading this rubbish implying that the political opponents of his favorite party PiS behave exactly like the communists did. With the arrival of democracy in Poland, courage definitely got cheaper, so anyone may tell whatever they wish. But such abuse makes people like Puzzie only look ridiculous; they do not understand that democracy does not only mean freedom of speech, but responsibility as well.

Finally, I am joining you, Boletus, in wishing Puzzie to "grow up" as this is going to be my last reply to him, brave child of the post-communist era in Poland. Thank you all for supporting me in the task of defying this silly game of his.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
29 Jul 2012 #221
We were staying in complete wilderness without the radio or TV. Did JK say anything interesting during the last week?
jon357 63 | 14,254
29 Jul 2012 #222
Not really - he and his partner are probably on their holidays too. Some of his fan club have been grousing about Mitt Romney arranging to meet with ex-President Wałęsa but nobody's listening.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
29 Jul 2012 #223
Some of his fan club have been grousing about Mitt Romney arranging to meet with ex-President Wałęsa but nobody's listening.

I typed PiS, Wałęsa, Romney in Google and got this result:

How to rob Wałesa of Mittt Romney:

Mitt Romney , a serious candidate of the Republican Party for the office of President of the USA , accepted the invitation of President Lech Walesa and come to Polish.

Not only do they come TO Walesa , is not enough that WILL BE ACCEPTED by Mr. Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski , Prime Minister Donald Tusk, the Polish government and the Minister of Foreign Affairs Radosław Sikorski - in the other plans a two-day stay in Poland there is no place for Law and Justice Jaroslaw Kaczynski.


Is that what you mean?
jon357 63 | 14,254
30 Jul 2012 #224
That's part of it all. When will that joker retire?
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
30 Jul 2012 #225
When will that joker retire?

Only Batman can make Joker retire.....

Guys, imagine how boring Political life in Poland would be without such guys as JK.

Let`s not make fun then but treat him seriously. Otherwise, he might withdraw from politics and what will we do then? The thread will go down to the dogs. As it is now, we have a chance to continue it for many, many years.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
1 Aug 2012 #226
I typed PiS, Wałęsa, Romney in Google and got this result: How to rob Wałesa of Mittt Romney:

don't read Renata Rudecka any more pawian cause it's pure venom, btw if you stay out of politics a short glimpse will tell you nothing

if you are not convinced Renata Rudecka generally spills venom, you should reach for her Salon24 blog, I hope you won't be able to read it after having read two entries
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
2 Aug 2012 #227
f you are not convinced Renata Rudecka generally spills venom, you should reach for her Salon24 blog, I hope you won't be able to read it after having read two entries

I googled RR and the first result was this article Wczorajszy przyjaciel dzisiejszym wrogiem

renata.rudecka-kalinowska.salon24.pl/

It isn`t venom, it is just a funny antyPiS text. Sort of malicious satire.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
2 Aug 2012 #228
Renata Rudecka is an MP from PO - I wonder if she is still friends with Zyta Gilowska after Gilowska's leaving PO and joining hands with Kaczyński - so much for an friends and enemies
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
2 Aug 2012 #229
Renata Rudecka is an MP from PO -

Really. I didn`t know it. I thought she was a journalist.

But it doesn`t matter, really. She seems a good observer of political life in Poland, with a sense of humour, and she draws conclusions which I consider are correct. The main one is that PiS and their leader especially behave and act like nutters.
jon357 63 | 14,254
2 Aug 2012 #230
Yes. She's one of the better ones. Paradowska too.
Ironside 48 | 9,899
3 Aug 2012 #231
Puzzie has been spreading this rubbish implying that the political opponents of his favorite party PiS behave exactly like the communists did.

Exactly - no! but close enough.

and she draws conclusions which I consider are correct. The main one is that PiS and their leader especially behave and act like nutters.

A Very original and innovative way of reasoning in the ranks of PO !:D
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
3 Aug 2012 #232
A Very original and innovative way of reasoning in the ranks of PO !:D

Unfortunately, it is not original or innovative. It is the commonly known truth as old as the hills.
Ironside 48 | 9,899
4 Aug 2012 #233
find yourself definition of sarcasm.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
4 Aug 2012 #234
I know what sarcasm is. But if you think you use it intelligently, you are wrong. Your "sarcasm" is so infantile (read: boring) that I prefer to disregard it.

Let`s assume it doesn`t exist. Try harder. :):):):)
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
4 Aug 2012 #235
It's obvious that everyone will abide by their own views. The only thing I can say is that people who say that whatever political party in Poland, be it PO or PiS or evn SLD, is either exactly like or close enough to communism, are quite young indeed (I don't want to say "infantile", however), never had a chance to live an adult life under communism to experience what it really was, so instead they proudly come here to show off how wise and knowledgable they are. The typical example of it would be Puzzie who instead of providing any proof of his doubtful statements, demanded others to prove theirs and eventually chose to run away from the forum. The "infantile" attitude is shown by the fact that someone who is too young to have lived in PRL is unable to work out its own internal historical perspective through reading, and is thus too ready to draw conclusions that in reality tend to come out of their emotions rather than of historical facts.
Ironside 48 | 9,899
5 Aug 2012 #236
I know what sarcasm is. But if you think you use it intelligently, you are wrong. Your "sarcasm" is so infantile (read: boring) that I prefer to disregard it.

I have been reading your posts for a while and it is clear that you don't know what sarcasm is.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
5 Aug 2012 #237
Yes, I know. :):):):):):):)
jon357 63 | 14,254
5 Aug 2012 #238
What's happening to his former sidekick Ziobro at the moment? Shame he can't come and post here, but you've already nabbed the most appropriate user name ;-)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
5 Aug 2012 #239
Could anyone explain how is it possible that a guy, who hasn't been holding any office since +5 years is probably the most discussed politician in Poland, and obviously not in a positive way... how does it work ? You come home and think, feck If not this damn Yaro, we would have already had 14 Olympic medals instead of 4... If not him and his terrible decisions, GDP growth would be +8% this year, does it work this way ? I am asking seriously...
rybnik 18 | 1,462
5 Aug 2012 #240
What's happening to his former sidekick Ziobro at the moment

he's probably lighting novena candles praying for JK's retirement announcement.


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