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jon357 63 | 15,625
21 Jun 2012 #151
An interesting statistic however you seem to be suggesting that suicide by someone outside those age groups is somehow impossible! I hope you aren't that naive.
OP pawian 173 | 13,653
22 Jun 2012 #152
I hope you aren't that naive.

:):):)
Who knows? These PiS guys are unpredictable. :):)
Ironside 49 | 10,626
22 Jun 2012 #153
An interesting statistic however you seem to be suggesting that suicide by someone outside those age groups is somehow impossible

Excuse me ! You resorted to statistic saying :

His profession has a relatively high suicide rate and Poland as a country has a very high suicide rate.

then I responded :

Then I posted some statistic proving you wrong!
you said:

An interesting statistic however you seem to be suggesting that suicide by someone outside those age groups is somehow impossible

No, I'm suggesting that your answer to my question was incorrect !(in bold)
I'm only asking question not suggesting anything but to reverse our roles.
You seems to be suggesting that suicide by someone outside those age groups is perfectly normal, and yet statistic say otherwise.
OP pawian 173 | 13,653
25 Jun 2012 #154
JK revealed a sense of humour. He said he supports the Spanish team because their players are as short as him.

J Kaczynski humor Poland
jon357 63 | 15,625
25 Jun 2012 #155
Then I posted some statistic proving you wrong

Except you didn't prove anything wrong. You just came up with some spurious statistic that says suicide in another age group is more likely. That doesn't rule out him having done it. Stop trying to feed conspiracy theories.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
25 Jun 2012 #156
JK

I bet he would love to have an F in between the J and K(:
OP pawian 173 | 13,653
25 Jun 2012 #157
Come on, he doesn`t know what JFK means, let alone what it symbolizes. :):):) Not that he is a halfwit, no. He just isn`t interested in anything, except for ruling Poland again and crushing his political enemies for good.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,262
25 Jun 2012 #158
The "Uważam Rze" weekly:
- Have you followed what prof. Binienda said during his lectures and meeting in Poland?
Jarosław Kaczyński:
- Of course I have followed very closely what he was saying ...

[Using the search engine of the Polish Forum, I've found nothing about prof. Wiesław Binienda here. Is it possible or the search engine doesn't work properly?]

... and I judge his investigations as very convincing, the more convincing that his opinions are in line with the opinions of other professionals. They said that a plane such as Tu-154M cuts a birch tree like the one in Smoleńsk as a scythe cuts a spike. I myself also told this in public, and I was laughed at this at th time; now it turns out to be true ...
OP pawian 173 | 13,653
25 Jun 2012 #159
[Using the search engine of the Polish Forum, I've found nothing about prof. Wiesław Binienda here. Is it possible or the search engine doesn't work properly?]

The thread which contains Binienda is Polish report of Smoleńsk crash or sth like that. Search for report.

JK said:[i] EURO 2012 was a complete failure.

As a result, the Euro was to be a leap forward . It hoped for. I ended up a complete disaster - said at the conference Jaroslaw Kaczynski , assessing the scale of the investments road .

President of Law and Justice , when asked whether agree with the assessment that the euro is a success and leap stressed that he is very pleased with the fact that the Euro was held with Poland. - From the Polish point of view must no longer speak in the past tense . It was our idea and we push for it . That it is held , it is good - rating .

delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
30 Jun 2012 #160
JK said: EURO 2012 was a complete failure.

Even by his standards, this is a jaw-droppingly stupid thing to say!
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
1 Jul 2012 #161
This is wrong. He said that it was a failure organisation wise, not the tournament itself. Rather than reading an article go and watch the entire speech and see.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
1 Jul 2012 #162
He said that it was a failure organisation wise, not the tournament itself.

Was it? I saw a pretty flawless organisation in Poznan - everything ran smoothly, no issues at all.

Jarek's just being his usual self - a bitter, twisted old man who can't let go. He's absolutely haunted with PO to the point where he'll say the opposite just for the sake of saying the opposite.

What's frightening is the amount of deluded people who will believe his every word, even though it's obviously false.

Actually - my only complaint is that there wasn't enough border security. Schengen was cancelled during it, yet I saw absolutely nothing in the way of border checks.
boletus 30 | 1,366
1 Jul 2012 #163
"And for those who think that they live in a besieged fortress, Euro without kicking Russian ass can not be successful."
- Prof. Krystyna Skarżyńska, social psychologist, SWPS
During interview "Euro has shown us that finally, 'we are normal'",

Each successful Polish , especially noticed and recognized in the world , reduces the chances of electoral right-wing groups ; so it's no wonder that little whine . Meanwhile, all of us - citizens , voters and elected by our politicians - more than 20 years we have worked to better Poland - said prof . Krystyna Skarżyńska , social psychologist Social Psychology , in an interview with Agnieszka Kublik .
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
1 Jul 2012 #164
delph he was referring more to stuff that was supposed to be done before the Euro like the 3000 + kilometres of motorways that were supposed to be ready by the Euro tournament and yet there are only 600 kilometres done. He was not referring to the tournament itself or that fact that there was constant fighting everywhere [although there was some].
OP pawian 173 | 13,653
16 Jul 2012 #165
The guy forgot that we have had a global crisis since 2009 at least.
Ironside 49 | 10,626
17 Jul 2012 #166
you are just hopeless, weren't you claiming that in Poland there is no crisis ?what is what then ? your living in the la la land ?
OP pawian 173 | 13,653
17 Jul 2012 #167
you are just hopeless,

Yes, I know! Sorry...... :):):):):):):):):)sur9wrw9ir4w98mnfsP)SF:)DSF:)DSGF:)DSG:D)G:)Dg

weren't you claiming that in Poland there is no crisis ?

You must be mistaking me with somebody else. Who?

Let me guess... Shakira!!!!

what is what then ? your living in the la la land ?

Nope, I am only a little stoned, just like you! :):):):)

JK said that PiS is ready to take over power in Poland because they have economic and social program. hihihihi

They are even going to propose a packet of major reforms at the end of August. Nice. After nearly 5 years as opposition........ hihihihihi

Law and Justice is prepared for a possible takeover of power, has an adequate economic and social agenda - he argued on Saturday in Olkusz ( Lesser ) the head of the party , Jarosław Kaczyński . - It is the only alternative to the current government - said .

- Our party is ready . The first step , which has to make the power that Poland will want to change in a positive way , is making a very deep transformation of our banking system and tax - Kaczynski said at a meeting with the residents.

delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #168
JK said that PiS is ready to take over power in Poland because they have economic and social program. hihihihi

The scary thing is that they really do want to "take over" in the sense of "control absolutely".

They are even going to propose a packet of major reforms at the end of August. Nice. After nearly 5 years as opposition........ hihihihihi

Has he finally realised that SMOLENSK SMOLENSK KATYN RUSSIA SMOLENSK SMOLENSK CHURCH SMOLENSK doesn't win votes?
OP pawian 173 | 13,653
22 Jul 2012 #169
Has he finally realised that SMOLENSK SMOLENSK KATYN RUSSIA SMOLENSK SMOLENSK CHURCH SMOLENSK doesn't win votes?

Yes, finally.

Although one of these proposed reforms is abolition of junior high schools and return to the old system - 8 year elementary and 4 year high school. Interesting.... :):):):)
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
22 Jul 2012 #170
The scary thing is that they really do want to "take over" in the sense of "control absolutely".

From Tusk's point of view, with enemies like these who needs friends? (:
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #171
Although one of these proposed reforms is abolition of junior high schools and return to the old system - 8 year elementary and 4 year high school. Interesting.... :):):):)

It's a dreadful populist idea. Look at the PISA scores since the reform - regardless of what people are saying, Poland is doing well internationally. The old system can't work now because many of those technical high schools have closed down - where will the bad kids go now? :)

I do think there should be a unified 6 year high school system rather than 3-3, but that's simply pragmatic - especially as there are plenty of combined schools anyway.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
22 Jul 2012 #172
I am a PiS supporter as I assume most of you know. I do not think there is anything wrong with PiS but I do see, as far as success [purely in politics] goes, that PiS is simply not able to win with Jarek in charge. A lot of people on here and not only here but in Poland have said that do not mind PiS that much but will never vote for Kaczynski. I think the media has played a big role in completely assassinating any credibility he had [no doubt PO fans will say he did this himself] but that is beside the point. The key is, it seems PiS is never going to get over 20 something % with him in charge. I think that is why Ziobro [among others] left and formed Solidarna Polska, he probably had the idea of a different leader [probably him] and it was not accepted. PiS needs a different leader so that they can gather more votes and perhaps talk less about the plane catastrophe and more about how they plan to improve life for people on economical grounds. If they do get power they will obviously have more power to investigate the plane crash and a real PiS supporter would know they have not forgotten about it, I just do no't think that it should be on of their main election messages as it does not seem to get through to a lot of people right now.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #173
Indeed. The Catholic-socialist stance that they have is very electable (especially the pre-2005 version which wasn't far away from Jarek's Centre Agreement back in the day) - but they absolutely cannot win with Kaczynski or some of the other maniacs as the leader. Kaczynski also seems to be very much determined to hold onto power at all costs - even if it's at the expense of the party.

But - you have to remember that if a new leader "softens" the image, they'll lose voters to Solidarna Polska. The old LPR voters will gravitate to whatever party offers them the most extreme option - and there is a good 5-10% of voters with similar views.

I think the media has played a big role in completely assassinating any credibility he had [no doubt PO fans will say he did this himself] but that is beside the point.

He brought it largely on himself, yes. If he hadn't spied on prominent journalists, hadn't waged war upon media outlets and so on - he would be in a far better place now.

The key is, it seems PiS is never going to get over 20 something % with him in charge.

They will get around 25-30% of the vote with Kaczynski as a guarantee. But Kaczynski is so hated by the other party leaders (Pawlak, Tusk, Miller and Palikot) that there's just no way they'll ever consider a coalition with him. Look at what happened in the Podkarpacie Sejmik - PO/PSL/SLD joined up to put PiS into opposition in one of their heartlands.

PiS needs a different leader so that they can gather more votes and perhaps talk less about the plane catastrophe and more about how they plan to improve life for people on economical grounds. If they do get power they will obviously have more power to investigate the plane crash and a real PiS supporter would know they have not forgotten about it, I just do no't think that it should be on of their main election messages as it does not seem to get through to a lot of people right now.

But don't forget - people also know that if they get power, they'll immediately go on a witchhunt against anyone who said anything against them. Look at what you've said - they won't forget about it. People remember how PiS behaved in power with witchhunts - they're also very aware that the party has always had issues with needing to take "revenge".

Their only hope right now is for the opposition (to PiS) to break up into many small parties who can't agree a thing. Can't see that happening right now - PO has very strong party discipline, for one.
boletus 30 | 1,366
22 Jul 2012 #174
It's a dreadful populist idea. Look at the PISA scores since the reform - regardless of what people are saying, Poland is doing well internationally.

In their day neither of the systems was particularly good nor particularly bad, and any one could have been made more workable: 7-4/5; 8-4; 6-3-3. The evil is in frequent switches, caused by world trends and political decisions or "widzimisie" (whims) of various ministries of education. I have witnessed many educational "revolutions" in Poland that brought short term disastrous effects - directly caused by poorly executed teacher retraining programs, mismatches of curricula, disorganizations and confusions during the transition periods.

I saw such "revolutions" in Canada as well; thankfully, they stopped playing those "streaming" and "de-streaming" games long time ago.

Stick to whatever you have there and concentrate on improvements instead. So no, this idea of Mr. Kaczyński is full of foul air.
See article of Marek Legutko from 1999, "Krótka historia trzech fal polskiej oświaty",
wsipnet.pl/oswiata/arts.php?dz=9&nid=445
Translated from the introduction:
Each of the real school reform is a flood of changes that gradually, over a longer period of time generally include (in any case - they should include), all schools and all teachers. The waves of reform - like ocean waves - are rising and falling. They often reverse their direction. First, we do not have to teach about vectors in primary school, then we must, and still later, again we do not need it. The real reform is when we make real changes both to ourselves and to others. We often fail to do so at once. Sometimes the practice of mass education demonstrates that some changes, which have been introduced with great difficulties, are in fact the changes for worse.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #175
The evil is in frequent switches, caused by world trends and political decisions or "widzimisie" (whims) of various ministries of education. I have witnessed many educational "revolutions" in Poland that brought short term disastrous effects - directly caused by poorly executed teacher retraining programs, mismatches of curricula, disorganizations and confusions during the transition periods.

Completely agreed. It's why I don't vote PO - I think they're doing a dreadful job with education, especially higher education. The current situation where state-funded universities seem to be opening countless new "directions" in which they have little to no knowledge is just disgraceful, and no-one seems able to restrain them.

At least to me, state-funded education is an out-of-control monster. Going back to the 8-4 system won't change the fundamental problems, nor will do it actually improve anything.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
22 Jul 2012 #176
You don't vote PO. That surprises me. Who do you vote for then? Nobody?

As for your comment on PiS possibly losing votes to SP, I think if Kaczynski left [and possibly a few of those very close to him followed] then SP might just break up and go back to PiS. The main reason they do not do that now is because Kaczynski basically said they had till a certain date to return and they would be forgiven but they feel they have nothing to be forgiven for.

As for the media's treatment he and PiS gets, I think it has gone way over the top. You said many times that PiS took charge of the media when they were in power and this is a way of getting them back but 2 wrongs do not make a right and they have pretty much done this non stop for the past 5 years now.

For me, PiS has 2 ways to get back in with a chance of winning, not just one. Either PO splits [as you said] or PiS get a different leader, do a reshuffle and re think main arguments when running for government at the next election.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
22 Jul 2012 #177
PiS has 2 ways to get back in with a chance of winning, not just one. Either PO splits [as you said] or PiS get a different leader, do a reshuffle and re think main arguments when running for government at the next election.

what are the chances of PO splitting? over what issue(s)? in-vitro fertilization?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
22 Jul 2012 #178
You don't vote PO. That surprises me. Who do you vote for then? Nobody?

Depends, as I vote according to the candidate rather than the party. I'd never vote PiS (Catholic-socialism is a dreadful concept to me!), however.

The problem is that Ziobro is perceived to be a similar sort of psycho to Kaczynski - and he has far too much history of pandering to the far-right voters to be taken seriously by the mainstream electorate. They really are in a tough situation - the best/most charismatic ones are all far too extreme for Government. PiS are also making huge mistakes by not doing more with their youth wing - unlike PO.

As for the media's treatment he and PiS gets, I think it has gone way over the top. You said many times that PiS took charge of the media when they were in power and this is a way of getting them back but 2 wrongs do not make a right and they have pretty much done this non stop for the past 5 years now.

Honestly - if PiS hadn't made enemies out of every single opposition newspaper (at the time) - they wouldn't be in this situation now. Much of it is partially down to the way that PiS supporters behave - all the rubbish about Gazeta Wyborcza, TVN, etc. It's again why PiS have problems - they are dreadfully unsavvy when it comes to the media.

For me, PiS has 2 ways to get back in with a chance of winning, not just one. Either PO splits [as you said] or PiS get a different leader, do a reshuffle and re think main arguments when running for government at the next election.

They really have to clear out much of the old guard - but as Kaczynski (who commands incredible amounts of loyalty!) has already declared that he wants to be Prime Minister again, PiS really have a tough situation. About their best hope now is to be humiliated in the next Presidential election, Kaczynski (and others) to be ousted before the parliamentary election and a new leadership that could reasonably enter coalition with any party. But with the political landscape being firmly PO/PiS/SLD/RP/PSL, there's just no hope for them as it stands.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
22 Jul 2012 #179
About their best hope

is for JK's death I'm afraid. Who will oust him?
Ironside 49 | 10,626
23 Jul 2012 #180
what are the chances of PO splitting? over what issue(s)? in-vitro fertilization?

Issue ? they are not interested in issues, they are batch of leeches.


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