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OP pawian 173 | 12,797
2 Jun 2012 #121
I agree, that was the case of Stanczyk. Thank you for bringing him up.

In any measure, Stańczyk's fame and legend was strong already in his own times of the Renaissance, it later reappeared in 19th century and remains well-known to this day.[4] Unlike jesters of other European courts, Stańczyk has been always considered to have been much more than a mere entertainer.[6]

He is remembered as a man of great intelligence and a political philosopher gifted with formidable insight into Poland's current and future situation. He used his job to criticize and warn his contemporaries by the use of satire. His witty jokes often pertained to current political or court matters. Stańczyk's remarks and jokes were preserved by numerous contemporary writers and historians, including £ukasz Górnicki, Jan Kochanowski, Marcin Kromer, and Mikołaj Rej who praised him for fighting hypocrisy in the name of truth. Some sources even go as far as to call him a personal friend to Marcin Kromer, to the dislike of the bishops.[7]


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sta%C5%84czyk

Do you suppose Kaczyński is like Stańczyk?
Jimmu 2 | 157
12 Jun 2012 #122
Your italic implies a quote, but Is it?

Actually italics imply emphasis. Quotes imply a quote.
jon357 63 | 15,212
12 Jun 2012 #123
Nice thread. I find it is often the people who are ridiculed and mocked in life that we later learn were great people.

I don't think we need to worry about that happening to him. Though the jester costume would suit him in a sort of a Chubby Brown way.
OP pawian 173 | 12,797
18 Jun 2012 #124
SHEIT! It seems EURO made politicians shut their mouths for a while.

It feels like desert island sometimes.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
18 Jun 2012 #125
It feels like desert island sometimes.

what about series of mysterious suicides ?
jon357 63 | 15,212
18 Jun 2012 #126
Series? Or just suicides.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
18 Jun 2012 #127
suicides of prominent people or people on the crossroads of information and politics.
people not suicide prone,
jon357 63 | 15,212
19 Jun 2012 #128
So in fact middle aged men in high-stress professions.

Unless you're suggesting something fishy and paranoid.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #129
high-stress professions.

are you suggesting those are suicidal prone positions ?what about Petelicki ?
jon357 63 | 15,212
19 Jun 2012 #130
So how about a list of the people involved in your so-called 'series' with some hard information that connects each of the people and suggests anything to back up your paranoid theory.
jon357 63 | 15,212
19 Jun 2012 #132
Exactly, what theory?

You used the word 'mysterious' so it isn't unreasonable to ask what this 'mystery' is all about...
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #133
Petelicki and suicide doesn't compute !
Nor Leper's for the matter.
In Petelicki case it is not even possible,

Mystery ? the PF is a discussion forum, Why would people be forced to debate rubbish all the time? who got bigger dick who is bigger boy who matter much, why women and polish women in particular are money garbing ******, why Poles are sucking one of the wealthiest countries in the world dry ?

Who is the biggest bastard of the millennium and which country is worst scumbag of the galaxy?
It is all educational because it shown that people are not that much different and underlaying prejudices stupidity and complexes are not national but human traits.

Other then that is a quite boring at times.
Why not discus on a notch higher level ? What wrong with debating some mysteries and conspiracy theories ?Are you claiming that there no mysteries nor conspiracies ?
jon357 63 | 15,212
19 Jun 2012 #134
I'm not sure why you say that his suicide is impossible. Usually it's the family who say that because they can't come to terms with the deceased's act of selfishness.

Really, saying that suicides of people in different walks of life are a series (and don't forget to add the one who was murdered by his son and the other who died in a car crash) is looking for something that just isn't there.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
19 Jun 2012 #135
Seriously though suicides to happen but some are definitely more 'strange' than others. I mean Lepper apparently feared for this life, so how did he deal with it? Suicide. It makes no sense. That is like worrying you are going to fail an exam so you tear the exam paper up and burn it, meaning that you are now sure to fail it.
OP pawian 173 | 12,797
19 Jun 2012 #136
Why would people be forced to debate rubbish all the time? who got bigger dick who is bigger boy who matter much, why women and polish women in particular are money garbing ******, why Poles are sucking one of the wealthiest countries in the world dry ?
Who is the biggest bastard of the millennium and which country is worst scumbag of the galaxy?

The problem is that what YOU want to debate

Why not discus on a notch higher level ? What wrong with debating some mysteries and conspiracy theories ?

is the same rubbish as topics mentioned above. :):):):):)

Can`t you see it?

Nope, you can`t because:

people are not that much different and underlaying prejudices stupidity and complexes are not national but human traits.

:):):):):)
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
19 Jun 2012 #137
I mean Lepper apparently feared for this life, so how did he deal with it? Suicide. It makes no sense.

Given that he owed a considerable amount of money and left his family in a mess of debts, it makes perfect sense for a coward like Lepper to do something like that.
OP pawian 173 | 12,797
19 Jun 2012 #138
Some guys appear to be born fighters. They elbow their way and climb to the top leaving the dead behind.

But everything has a limit. After a long period of continual stress, even the toughest guys might snap. And they do, as we see from recent examples.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #139
But everything has a limit. After a long period of continual stress, even the toughest guys might snap. And they do, as we see from recent examples.

That is amassing amount of BS even for your standards !

I'm not sure why you say that his suicide is impossible.

Well, very unlikely at last.

it makes perfect sense for a coward like Lepper to do something like that

He wasn't coward !Where are you getting your informations from, that would be interesting to know.
jon357 63 | 15,212
19 Jun 2012 #140
Well, very unlikely at last.

Not that unlikely. His profession has a relatively high suicide rate and Poland as a country has a very high suicide rate.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #141
His profession

what profession ?

Poland as a country has a very high suicide rate.

What age group ?:)
jon357 63 | 15,212
19 Jun 2012 #142
I think you know what General Petelicki's profession is just as well as anybody else who's ever heard of him, and in answer to your second 'question': his age group.

So no mystery at all. Not even Jarosław Kaczynski (famous for spouting nonsense he doesn't even believe himself in order to pander to the paranoid and hysterical losers who might vote for him) has suggested anything untoward.

But of course there's still time...
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #143
think you know what his profession is just as well as anybody else

His profession changed in time, I cannot read your mind hence I asked !

So no mystery at all

How would you know ?:)
I find that dead mysterious !
jon357 63 | 15,212
19 Jun 2012 #144
It's hard to see the actual point you're trying to make. Surely you aren't suggesting that changes in someone's career reduce the likelihood of them committing suicide. And I really don't think you can sensibly claim that the suicide of a 66 year old man with access to guns in a country with one of the world's highest suicide rates and no suspicious circumstances is a mystery.

So what are you actually trying to say.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #145
So what are you actually trying to say.

As little as possible :)
Just voicing my opinion on the subject !I doubt that his "profession" made him suicide prone, quite the contrary.
Harry
19 Jun 2012 #146
His profession changed in time

Really? So what was his profession when he killed himself, gynecologist?

So what are you actually trying to say.

Perhaps something along the lines of it all being a perfidious Jewish-British-Communist-Satanist plot designed to further their ceaseless aim of destroying the Christ of Nations?

Either that or he's just telling us he's worried his tin-foil hat is no longer working.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #147
So what was his profession when he killed himself, gynecologist?

You should know the best. Wasn't he the one who helped you with your sex-changing operation?
Did he stop half way ?
No wonder that you are such a grump.
Harry
19 Jun 2012 #148
You should know the best.

Anybody who reads any news source about him knows what his profession was, but do feel very free to keep lying about it.

Wasn't he the one who helped you with your sex-changing operation?

A pathetic insult, even from you.
OP pawian 173 | 12,797
19 Jun 2012 #149
During a press conference today, J. Kaczyński said he is sceptical about suicide and suggested that Petelicki was on "a short list". It means he was a potential target for a hitman. Shortly speaking, Petelicki was assassinated, according to JK.

A new legend is born.........

A pathetic insult, even from you.

I am sorry for him. Yes, he goes insane from time to time. Please, take no notice.
Ironside 49 | 10,496
19 Jun 2012 #150
A pathetic insult, even from you.

Yes, I cannot compete with you in insulting people.

and in answer to your second 'question': his age group.

tsk tsk
In Poland, statistically, suicides are commit by people in two age groups - 16-21 and 45-55 !
Given that P. was 66 years old, I dare to suggests that you are wrong :)


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