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Chairman Kaczyński said..... / Opinions and ideas uttered by the leader of the PIS


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
24 Jun 2013 #301
Provide someTusk quotes on the impending Katyń visit by the president from the Jan-April 2010 period..
Harry
24 Jun 2013 #302
Please do feel very free to prove those accusations. Unless you are simply lying, as usual.

Should we conclude from your inability to provide any 'proof' at all for you allegation that you were, predictably, just lying?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
24 Jun 2013 #303
Lech Kaczynski was at Katyn 17 September 2007 year even while in government became PiS. From the documents declassified by the BOR shows that those visit was for the Government Protection Bureau protected worse than in April 2010 , when there was a disaster - he writes "Gazeta Wyborcza" .

In 2007, the BOR - in - as in 2010 - have not entered the airport in Smolensk. Nor did reconnaissance in places that had to visit the president . Not received from the Russians even radio frequency , enabling them to freely communicate . Visit Kaczynski in Katyn in 2007 , like that of 2010, the BOR gave the rank of " venture protective ," not " operation " - which meant a reduction in the level of safety . Two officers of the BOR who went to Katyn on reconnaissance before the event , they met with representatives of the Russian security services .


This is jsut a small snippet of the negligence and possibly deliebrate downplaying of the importance of Preisdent Kaczyński's visit to Katyń in 20120. BOR agents were not able enter Smolensk airport. The Russians even failed to provide frequencies over which they could communicate. The Tusk-era BOR lowered the level of the visit from 'protective operation' to 'protective undertaking' which in BOR lingo meant lowering the secuity level of the visit. Russian security agents did nto even see fit to meet the two BOR agents sent ahead to Katyń for reconnaissance purposes. If you truly are intrested in all this, then feel free to surf the net. There's a goldmine information out there!
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
29 Jun 2013 #304
From the PiS party rally:

PiS is ready to take responsibility for the future of Polish . We know what to do and have the courage to do it - he said at a congress of the party PiS chairman Jarosław Kaczyński. - Governance is a leadership, Poland needs leadership, and leadership is fair to say the Poles , what are the goals and what is the price crossing the road - he added.

PIS is ready to take responsibility for the future of Poland. We know what to do and have courage to do it.

He probably means putting Tusk and other POs before the execution squad. :):)

Chairman Kaczyński has retained his post! The PiS Congress chose the leader!:

Of all 1160 delegates, 1131 voted for Mr Kaczyński.

Long live!
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
29 Jun 2013 #305
Another PiS proposal is the re-polonisation of Poland's banks. Żeby Polska była Polską!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
30 Jun 2013 #306
PIS is ready to take responsibility for the future of Poland. We know what to do and have courage to do it.

So why don't they tell us?

Ah, that's right - their policies will consist mainly of taking revenge on perceived enemies. What PiS have managed to do is create an environment in which many people are afraid of losing their jobs due to good old TKM - and that environment ensures that there's an entire class of voters who want nothing to do with them.

Of all 1160 delegates, 1131 voted for Mr Kaczyński.

Just like in good old Communism - there always needs to be symbolic opposition in order to appear credible.

Another PiS proposal is the re-polonisation of Poland's banks. Żeby Polska była Polską!

And where are PiS getting the money from to do such a thing?

These proposals get funnier and funnier!
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
30 Jun 2013 #307
where are PiS getting the money

You've got this money thing.... Everything is not just about money!
This could presumably be accoomplisehd through legislation. Admittedy, it's more difficult now with Brussels interfering in everyhting, but rules could still probably be introduced to encourage Polish majority stakes. Even a ban on foreign banks would be possible. Poland hasn't lost all her sovereignty, has she?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
30 Jun 2013 #308
You've got this money thing.... Everything is not just about money!

It certainly is. Everything in politics is about money, as proposals have to be funded somehow. Virtually every political decision made has a financial implication.

This could presumably be accoomplisehd through legislation.

And where would the Polish Government get the billions needed to buy out the foreign banks?

Admittedy, it's more difficult now with Brussels interfering in everyhting, but rules could still probably be introduced to encourage Polish majority stakes.

But why would Poland bother? It's far easier to keep a tight grip on the banks - you'll find that Polish banks are actually very well regulated. The recent ban on EUR/CHF mortgages is just a small example.

Even a ban on foreign banks would be possible. Poland hasn't lost all her sovereignty, has she?

You can't ban other EU people from holding properties in Poland, it just doesn't work like that.

Tell us - what purpose is there for banks to be only Polish owned? Do you need to be reminded that Amber Gold was very much a Polish operation - and that I for one wouldn't put my money into a Polish bank? (nor would I put money into an Spanish or Italian bank, for that matter)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
30 Jun 2013 #309
I for one wouldn't put my money into a Polish bank nor a Spanish or Italian bank,

Veiled Anglo-Celtic racism?!

But why would Poland bother?

If Kaczyński mentioned re-Polonisation of banks to thundrous applause, he must have had his reasons.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
30 Jun 2013 #310
You've got this money thing.... Everything is not just about money!

There is this small detail...Somebody has to pay the bill...always....
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
30 Jun 2013 #311
Veiled Anglo-Celtic racism?!

Nope. More common sense related to knowing how those countries tend to behave. Having said that, I'd put money in PKO if they were a good bank. But they're not - they're rubbish and their customer service is dire.

If Kaczyński mentioned re-Polonisation of banks to thundrous applause, he must have had his reasons.

Oh please. He's just playing the old populist line - did he say how he intended to pay for such a thing? Did he say how Poland had the resources to prop up those banks were they to fall?

Banks can be Polish tomorrow if Polish investors buy them. WBK was on the open market - what stopped Polish investors buying them?

Like most of what Kaczynski says, it's populist unfunded nonsense. Like the apartments, he would quite obviously forget about any such promises once elected.

For what it's worth, the PiS congresses tend to be stage managed. The fact that he didn't even have a single challenger for his leadership says exactly what kind of Party (upper case intentional) that he wants to have.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
30 Jun 2013 #312
knowing how those countries tend

You mean those that pillaged, robbed and enviromentally despoiled half the world, exploited theiratvies, broke the backs of those who protested and whose flag was not lowered for the night in more far-flung corners the globe than any hammer & sickle banner dared dream.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
30 Jun 2013 #313
I fail to see what relevance that has to the ownership of banks in Poland.

Then again, if that's how Kaczynski feels he can fund the Polish ownership of banks...
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
1 Jul 2013 #314
Did Kaczyński lie when, during PiS convention, he accused Tusk`s government of adopting the climate pact which imposes on Poland the costly duty to substantially reduce CO2 emmission?

Yes, he did because it was him as Prime Minister and his brother President who first accepted the pact in February 2007. Tusk only ratified it in December 2008.

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jon357 63 | 14,255
1 Jul 2013 #315
He lies like others breathe.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
1 Jul 2013 #316
Intelligent people saw through his lies many years ago. About 70'% of the society. :):):)
gumishu 11 | 5,017
1 Jul 2013 #317
Tusk only ratified it in December 2008.

Tusk agreed upon new method of calculating Poland's CO2 goal pawian - which will cost us real money
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
1 Jul 2013 #318
Possible. But we need a source for that claim.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
2 Jul 2013 #319
Yes, he did because it was him as Prime Minister and his brother President who first accepted the pact in February 2007. Tusk only ratified it in December 2008.

We didn't hear Polonius on this one yet :)
terri 1 | 1,634
22 Jun 2017 #320
moved from

You have to admire The Great Ruler Kaczynski, for having ALL the power and NONE of the responsibility for any action. His signature does NOT appear on any documents and then in years to come when there may be legal action taken against the signatories to some documents - he can just stroke his cat and say ...Didn't I do well...
gumishu 11 | 5,017
22 Jun 2017 #321
You have to admire The Great Ruler Kaczynski,

terri Kaczyński is not the prime minister because he wouldn't want to - he already was a prime minister once - he is not a prime minister because he realised he is more of a hate figure and distrusted persona than some new people from PiS and that it would weigh on the popularity of PiS government
NoToForeigners 7 | 1,032
22 Jun 2017 #322
You have to admire The Great Ruler Kaczynski, for having ALL the power and NONE of the responsibility for any action

It wouldn't be anything different to what PeŁo was lol. NOTHING DIFFERENT. Yet it was fine back then but now it's wrong. lol. Hypocrites!
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
22 Jun 2017 #323
more of a hate figure and distrusted persona

So you are saying he is a bit like Britains Tony Blair.

Personally I dont know anyone who hates Kaczyński but some dont like him fair enough.
Harry
22 Jun 2017 #324
in years to come when there may be legal action taken against the signatories to some documents

I'm sure that the prosecutors will offer immunity to his puppets in exchange for their testimony.
jon357 63 | 14,255
22 Jun 2017 #325
Kaczyński is not the prime minister because he wouldn't want to -

More because he was electorally toxic, so he put up other candidates and subsequently crowed in public that he's the real leader. Trustworthy? No.
Ironside 48 | 9,900
22 Jun 2017 #326
More because he was electorally toxic

Even if he is electorally toxic that is not necessarily a bad thing. After all people like that posses many other valuable qualities.
You commies are using this old tactics. If someone is popular and people love what he have to say and like to vote him - then he must be a populist.

If someone is not a very likeable person and not that popular but manages to get to rule (overcoming such a major obstacle, which in itself is not a small feat) - he is electorally toxic.

What a BS.
It means that you commies don't like their political views and seek to smear them with ***. Just because you have no better arguments. Left either talk slogans about some made up issues like gender equality or attempts to buy the populace with promises of the benefits of a welfare state.
jon357 63 | 14,255
22 Jun 2017 #327
Even if he is electorally toxic that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Well, I-S, it's quite bad in an electoral democracy. Not that he gives two hoots about electoral democracy.

like to vote him

They don't. He was voted out of office at the earliest possible opportunity, due to being electorally toxic. This time, someone else had to stand on his behalf.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
23 Jun 2017 #328
He was voted out of office at the earliest possible opportunity, due to being electorally toxic.

he was voted out of office because of a massive media campaing smearing him and the government in every possible way
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
23 Jun 2017 #329
He was voted out of office because he spied on his coalition partners, he got rid of a popular PM because he was becoming too independent, his foreign policy was failing miserably and they were involved in constant witchhunts.
jon357 63 | 14,255
23 Jun 2017 #330
a massive media campaing smearing him

There was no such campaign at all. He was simply unpopular and I trusted.

he spied on his coalition partners, he got rid of a popular PM because he was becoming too independent, his foreign policy was failing miserably and they were involved in constant witchhunts.

And of course a strong opponent as well as weak and disreputable coalition partners.


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