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Ironside 49 | 10,295
8 Oct 2012 #271
Would be nice. Any idea who might pay me for it?

I think that you have fair idea who is paying you.

Let`s reverse it: who is paying Ironside for posting crap about Poland?

You are spreading crap about Poland's politics and economy, you are spreading it so thick that you must be getting paid for it. If you are willingly ridicule yourself in here for free that you are in dire need of psychiatric help.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 Oct 2012 #272
I think that you have fair idea who is paying you.

Who?

Come on Ironside, where do I sign up for such a job?
Ironside 49 | 10,295
8 Oct 2012 #273
Are you no Mr expert on Poland?So which is true? Your claims that you are an expert on Poland or you not knowing who would pay you for posting about politics the way you do?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,062
8 Oct 2012 #274
Are you both getting paid for posting like that? I think you do:)

Such ideas are called "conspiracy theories", aren't they? The world is full of them, in America or anywhere else (particularly in America, I should think). :-)

Long live America !!!
Harry
8 Oct 2012 #275
Are you both getting paid for posting like that?

Hey! Where do I sign up for a job like that?!
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
8 Oct 2012 #276
Ironside they don't get paid, they legitimately hold these views. Frightening isn't it.
jon357 63 | 15,214
8 Oct 2012 #277
Let`s reverse it: who is paying Ironside for posting crap about Poland?

The Family of Radio Maryja...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 Oct 2012 #278
Hey! Where do I sign up for a job like that?!

He won't tell me! :(

I'd love it - instead of having to deal with paperwork and so on, I could just post my views online and get paid, legitimately!

Of course, in true PiS style - he knows, but he won't tell us because we supposedly already know.
OP pawian 170 | 11,302
8 Oct 2012 #279
Ironside they don't get paid, they legitimately hold these views. Frightening isn't it.

So it means we frighten each other in this forum because some of your views are so scary I tend to get creeps.

I wonder, do American or British guys also feel so and say such things when debating politics/economy of their countries? You know, Obama vs Romney etc.

Or is it Polish specialty exclusively? :):):)

Probably not.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
8 Oct 2012 #280
Well Pawian I suppose we give each other the creeps on Political issues. I live in Britain where I go for the conservative party but I prefer the PiS style of conservative [while I assume you and others on here would not mind if the party in charge of Poland had a British conservative style]. If Britain was led by a PiS like party I would care a lot more, but it would probably be a very different place to live in. As it goes I am a conservative but I only see them as slightly better than Labour, but only slightly, since on some issues I disagree with them. PiS has Labour-esc type views in regards to finance and social issues but yet tries to make ties with the British conservatives. Sort of weird in that regard.
OP pawian 170 | 11,302
8 Oct 2012 #281
Look, the funniest thing in it is that I am also conservative because of my age and antiquated views on so many things. :):):) But the main problem is that I prefer to support those brighter and enlightened conservatives. PiS, due to their idiotic pranks, certainly cannot be included into that group. E.g., do you remember how many causes of Smolensk air crash were provided by PiS to cover their terrorist act agenda?????

Experts are trying to predict how the death of Kaczyński`s mother is going to affect him.

Two options are possible - Kaczyński will either give up politics and withdraw to the quiet seclusion of his home in Warsaw or quite the opposite, he will become an even more active politician who always fights till the last minute and never relinquishes.

In my opinion, the second option is more probable. He isn`t able to withdraw, he is a born fighter and destroyer, politics is all his life and he is still only 64.

The funeral of Jadwiga Kaczyńska is on Wednesday.
gumishu 11 | 5,163
21 Jan 2013 #282
destroyer,

no he's a dreadnought silly pawian or at least a heavy cruiser
OP pawian 170 | 11,302
21 Jan 2013 #283
None.

Great Destructor.
Ironside 49 | 10,295
21 Jan 2013 #284
Great Destructor.

well pawian you have more fight in him than me. I wouldn't call him a great destructor I just hope that he will play that role well and to the best of his ability. The Establishment in Poland needs to be destroyed.

Poland need a great destructor/destroyer.
OP pawian 170 | 11,302
21 Jan 2013 #285
The Establishment in Poland needs to be destroyed. Poland need a great destructor/destroyer.

Thank you very much. We don`t really need it. Better take care of your new motherland - US! :):):)
Ironside 49 | 10,295
21 Jan 2013 #286
We don`t really need

Unless you are really set up by the Soviet Establishment (meaning millions of dollars in your Swiss account) you really do need one, either that or you will howl here when all that shyty policies will come to fruition.
OP pawian 170 | 11,302
21 Jan 2013 #287
Unless you are really set up by the Soviet Establishment (meaning millions of dollars in your Swiss account)

hahahahaha it is high time I stopped working then! :):):)

or you will howl here when all that shyty policies will come to fruition.

That`s the future, while we are talking today.
Ironside 49 | 10,295
21 Jan 2013 #288
That`s the future, while we are talking today.

today is yesterday future..
Can you think pawian or only react?
OP pawian 170 | 11,302
21 Jan 2013 #289
today is yesterday future..

Hey, you watched Sexmission too often! The film contains this motto in initial credits.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
21 Jan 2013 #290
That film was on Polish television again not long ago. That was one unique, messed up yet very enjoyable movie. A lot of Polish films get branded as boring, and they are, but not this. Anyway, just a little off topic though. I wonder if Jarek now gets accused by the mainstream media of using this death for politics, as he was of doing with the crash. Almost anything he says, he will be accused of 'playing politics.'
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
24 Jun 2013 #291
morally and politically responsible for the former President`s, Lech Kaczyński`s, death

You notice he did not say 'physically'. His accusation are easy to prove. The visit fo Poland's head of state was was visibly ingored and belittled by the tuskite establishmetn which was hoping the turn the even into a Vlad & Donny show. The idea that he may not get a Russian visa was even floated and thrashed about in the media, although heads of state do not normally stand in visa queues. Then the Russian side grudgingly agreed to let them land at an obsolete, disused military airport where even the landing lights were not working. FIlm clips showed workers hurriedly replacing the burnt-out bulbs... after the disaster. People still remember Tusk's Brussels summit antics when he tried to belittle President Kaczyński with his silly little plane and chair games.
Harry
24 Jun 2013 #292
The visit fo Poland's head of state was was visibly ingored and belittled by the tuskite establishmetn which was hoping the turn the even into a Vlad & Donny show.

You mean the Kacyński's uninvited visit.

His accusation are easy to prove.

Please do feel very free to prove those accusations. Unless you are simply lying, as usual.

Then the Russian side grudgingly agreed to let them land at an obsolete, disused military airport

i.e. the airport which Poland had asked to use.

Funny how you overlook the fact that Russian air traffic control told the Polish plane that there were no conditions for landing but the Polish pilot decided to go below his cleared minimum, his qualified minimum and the plane's cleared minimum. Oh, and how you overlook the fact that the pilot of the Polish plane was the pilot of that plane because the Kaczyński had fired the previous pilot when that pilot refused to land at an airport which lacked the necessary equipment.
jon357 63 | 15,214
24 Jun 2013 #293
silly little plane and chair games.

The only 'silly little plane and chair games' were played by the lame Kaczynski who turned up uninvited to the embarrassment of all concerned.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
24 Jun 2013 #294
Harry
Decrepit Smolensk airport should nothave been even considered. The Russians should have arranged to have the plane land at a decent, fully equipped airport. But they were too busy trying to sabiotage the preisdential delegaition with visa nonsense to do something sensible. Who knows if Tusk didn't put them up to it: Hey mates, why not have the plane land at some ramshackle air strip to make our head of state look ridiculous! Vlad would like that!

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jon357 63 | 15,214
24 Jun 2013 #295
Who knows if Tusk didn't put them up to it

Who knows if people involved in PiS didn't 'put them up to it' in order to rid themselves of an embarrassing laughing stock and political liability.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
24 Jun 2013 #296
Decrepit Smolensk airport should nothave been even considered.

You're right. What on earth were the Presidential staff doing even considering the use of Smolensk-North?

The Russians should have arranged to have the plane land at a decent, fully equipped airport.

The Poles never requested to go to one. International protocol requires a formal request to do such a thing - but then, that ruins your story doesn't it? Don't forget that it's highly unlikely that a man like Lech Kaczynski would want to fly into Vnukovo - which according to Google Maps is 4 hours away from Katyn.

Who knows if Tusk didn't put them up to it:

Bear in mind that Tusk landed at the same airport.

The airport was actually acceptable *if* conditions had been clear. The Tupolev 154 was designed to land at all sorts of runways - so on a clear day, Smolensk-North would actually have been fine.

Hey mates, why not have the plane land at some ramshackle air strip to make our head of state look ridiculous!

Do you think the Head of State in question would have liked to travel 4 hours on Russian roads to reach Katyn?

Polonius, all this stuff has been discussed to death - it's pretty obvious that you know nothing about aviation and diplomatic protocol.

Who knows if people involved in PiS didn't 'put them up to it' in order to rid themselves of an embarrassing laughing stock and political liability.

Certainly one of the more interesting theories. He was headed for electoral disaster - a first round defeat would have been incredibly humiliating.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
24 Jun 2013 #297
What on earth were the Presidential staff doing even considering the use of Smolensk-North

No.one knows all the behind-the-scenes preparations. Probably there were shortcomings on all sides. But the fact is that Tusk did not want to be upstaged at the launch of the Vlad & Donny show. Go back and check out his statemtns, moves, grimaces and the general climate of negativity he created round the planned visit of Polands' Head of State to Katyń. And don't forget the humiliating visa business.
Harry
24 Jun 2013 #298
But the fact is that Tusk did not want to be upstaged at the launch of the Vlad & Donny show.

The fact is that the Kaczyński hadn't been invited but decided to go there anyway.
jon357 63 | 15,214
24 Jun 2013 #299
Indeed - and the lame Kaczyński's behaviour was very well publicised at home and abroad at the time. I'm surprised Pol3 doesn't remember. Perhaps he prefers to forget that the media were laughing at the lame Kaczyński and Poland over the whole fiasco.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
24 Jun 2013 #300
No.one knows all the behind-the-scenes preparations. Probably there were shortcomings on all sides.

We know that there was a shocking amount of negligence on the Polish side - even if you look at the preparations, it was an utter shambles.

Go back and check out his statemtns, moves, grimaces and the general climate of negativity he created round the planned visit of Polands' Head of State to Katyń.

I think you're getting confused with Lech, Polonius. Age will do that to you.


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