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JonnyM 11 | 2,620
2 Apr 2011 #181
I just suggested that it was a possibility and was not necessarily a definite thing here.

A very remote possibility. Remote, even pointless.

You don't think there should be any standards of what is shown on public broadcasting?

If by that, you mean not offending the sensibilities of highly strung people then no - let the market decide.

I notice Johnny you seem to be sensitive to whenever I mention Jews or Jews and Poles together for some reason. Why is that?

You notice things that aren't there, as your post attacking a successful Polish comedian suggests. Did I mention Jewish matters in my post? No.
convex 20 | 3,978
2 Apr 2011 #182
4. I never saw a Jewish Comedian working in Germany making fun about Jewish stereotypes. You are right about that at least.

uh, oliver polak?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
2 Apr 2011 #183
If by that, you mean not offending the sensibilities of highly strung people then no - let the market decide.

But I'm sure there would be a market for anti-Jewish stereotypes in comedy in Germany and other countries. Like making fun of the "comical" look of Jews and how "Jews look and act like rats". Like in some old German anti-Jewish movies.

I think that kind of anti-Jewish comedy would get huge ratings in Germany and other countries for the mere fact that it would be so controversial. There would be powerful market forces for this.

So anti-Jewish comedies portraying Jews with "comical rat like looks" and "rat like behavior" would be OK with you??

You notice things that aren't there, as your post attacking a successful Polish comedian suggests. Did I mention Jewish matters in my post? No.

No you didn't mention Jewish matters per se but my comment about how Germans should apply the same senstivity to Poles that they apply to Jews seemed to prompt a passionate response from you for some reason.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
2 Apr 2011 #184
But I'm sure there would be a market for

Unlikely - though such comic books exist in Poland. Strange that you mention Jews seven times in a short post - added to some of your previous posts in countless other threads, it looks like you have an obsession with them. Why?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
2 Apr 2011 #185
I can say the same about you.

But like it or not my references to Jews is pertinent to this discussion since I think its only common sense that Germans show the same senstivity to Poles that they show to Jews. Germans-Jews-Poles are all tied in historically for better or worse.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
2 Apr 2011 #186
let the market decide.

Don't you think that media, especially TV, should try to edify, to instruct, so as to encourage intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement of the people, the German people I mean?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
2 Apr 2011 #187
I can say the same about you.

No you can't! I rarely, if ever, mention Jewish affairs. You do very very often.

I think its only common sense that Germans show the same senstivity to Poles

Well, Germany has a fairly developed legal system which doesn't discriminate on the grounds of race or religion, plus a very well developed and organised Polish lobby with a strong political voice. I don't see them prosecuting this Polish guy.

So basically you aren't really making any point at all, except perhaps you wish that one ethnic group was as assertive as another.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
2 Apr 2011 #188
No you can't! I rarely, if ever, mention Jewish affairs. You do very very often.

But if someone references Jews like I did before, as in Germans should show the same sensitivity to Poles that they show to Jews, for some reason that provoked a passionate response by you.

I just said before also that there could very well be a market for anti-Jewish comedy in Germany and other countries and that prompted another response by you.

Sure maybe you won't talk about Jews as much as other people, but when the issue of Jews comes up, many times you have a passionate response.

Which is fine. I'm not saying its a good or bad thing. You have every right to your opinion. I'm just making an observation.

If in your opinion if you think I "talk too much about Jews" then fine. You have every right to that opinion. But I don't know what's so wrong about that, like in this topic, since I'm not saying anything negative about them. So what's the big deal? I'm just using them as a reference point.

Also many Jews are always bringing attention to themselves, especially in regards to Poland, so what's the big deal?? Pick up any Jewish ethnic newspaper. Its rare if somewhere in the paper they're not referencing Poland in some fashion. Afterall most Jews did live in Poland right? Without getting into another discussion on Jews, aren't Jews always talking about how they're part of Poland and how they should be recognized and given attention, etc?

They are also almost always referenced in the mainstream media in the US in some shape or form.

So basically you aren't really making any point at all, except perhaps you wish that one ethnic group was as assertive as another

I agree with you there. One group has done a much better job of sensitizing the German public (and the public of other countries) to how it wants to be portrayed, then another ethnic group has done.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
2 Apr 2011 #189
that provoked a passionate response by you

A rather dispassionate response even, that it's all a fuss over nothing

that prompted another response by you.

Trolling, and you are a troll, is intended to do just that.

if you think I "talk too much about Jews"

Six times in your last post, seven in the post before that. Unhealthy.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
3 Apr 2011 #190
Trolling, and you are a troll, is intended to do just that.

Oh come on Jonny. Why do you have to say that about me? I am a nice guy :)

Six times in your last post, seven in the post before that. Unhealthy.

Jonny there is nothing wrong about talking about Jews since they are always talked about here in our American newspapers. I just randomly went to two America based newspaper websites and did a search on the word "Jewish" and look what I came up with???

You can do it yourself Jonny. Just randomly go to any American newspaper and do a search on "Jews", "Jewish", "Israel" and see what you come up with.

Also the New York Times is talking about Israel today. Go to the New York Times website to see for yourself

Is it then unhealthy for all these American newspapers to keep talking about Jews on at least a weekly basis if not daily basis?

Also what's wrong with talking about Jews if one is being neutral on them? Personally with all the things our media here says about Jews, I find them to be a very interesting and fascinating people :)
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
3 Apr 2011 #191
I am a nice guy :)

I'm sure!

My own feeling is that Poles in Germany or elsewhere don't have anything at all to worry about over a Polish comedian who's doing this kind of routine - if anything it gets people to think and humour is very good at overcoming hatred when it's done in the right way.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
3 Apr 2011 #192
Yes as long as its done in the right way.

As long as there are no double standards.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
3 Apr 2011 #193
I am personally less offended when getting called stupid, as I am when someone calls me a Nazi.

I hope you realse that when this comes from a Briton it tends to be tongue in cheek. Its a cheap shot but its part of the cultural fabric. Every christmas we get the Great Escape (most of the germans being of the "good and decent" type..the opposition rather than the enemy) and you guys every New Year have Two old people at a dinner table ;)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Apr 2011 #194
My own feeling is that Poles in Germany or elsewhere don't have anything at all to worry about over a Polish comedian who's doing this kind of routine - if anything it gets people to think and humour is very good at overcoming hatred when it's done in the right way.

The thing is that Poles in Germany couldn't care less.

The only people that seem to care are village idiots and Polish Americans.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
3 Apr 2011 #195
The only people that seem to care are village idiots and Polish Americans.

It's antipolanism and it must be stopped!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Apr 2011 #196
I wish such a thing actually existed.

Actually it does - among extreme right wing Ukrainians and Belarusians. That's about it.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
3 Apr 2011 #197
they continue to produce garbage like this

"They" in this case is a comedian called Marek Fis, and guess what? The creator of this hilarious clip is Polish...Just goes to show that ppl are sometimes just looking for things which are not there. Yes - that's the same Marek Fis as Bratwurst posted earlier in this thread.

I've watched many clips from Marek Fis and he is funny as heck. His opening line is usually "ah glad to be here - now one finally sees the faces that belong to the cars". :) Maybe ts should do a little more research before going off on an imagined "anti-Polish slur" by those nasty Germans.

One keeps wishing, but unfortunately some things never change - glad that there is a growing number of Polish ppl that know how to see things in their true perspective.

Edit: so, we have a satirical clip about Poles made by a Pole - what's the point of this discussion other than to caress the "bruised" ego of ts?

>^..^<

M-G (unsurprised yet again)
Eurola 4 | 1,909
3 Apr 2011 #198
Aaah... Europe and its petty ethnic/national pride. Take it easy. You should hear American comedians. Nothing is left to wonder about... insults about blacks, people from the South, Mexicans...Italians...Americans... Arabs...irish, English...Poles...anything goes. So, just laugh, you know who you are and you are NOT PERFECT! The more you show that you are insulted, the less you know about yourself[b][/b] or live in denial. There is no ethnicity that's not talked about and made fun of. Laugh and the worlds will laugh with you, cry...and more people will laugh at you. I think a lot of Poles are taking the jokes too personally for no reason. Sure, they want to laugh at everybody also but themselves. Grow up.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
3 Apr 2011 #199
very true, no one gives a damn
Ashleys mind 3 | 455
3 Apr 2011 #200
I think a lot of Poles are taking the jokes too personally for no reason. Sure, they want to laugh at everybody also but themselves. Grow up.

Quoted for truth!

Petty

Squabble

Wonder bums.

;)
MediaWatch 10 | 945
3 Apr 2011 #201
So you would have no problem with a Jewish comedian making jokes at the expense of Jews?? And I don't mean these mild Jewish-jokes like "Jews are cheap" or Jews have "angry mother-in laws".

So you would have no problem with a Jewish comedian making Jewish jokes about how "Jews can't help looking and acting like rats".

Or like in that one old German movie where it showed a picture of a rat and then a picture of an ugly big nosed beedy eyed "rat-like" Jew and then it showed a picture of the rat and then a picture of the ugly Jew and back and forth and so on..... while making jokes about the appearance of the "funny looking Jew". Many Germans laughed when they saw that. Would those kind of Jewish jokes be OK with you??

Or Jewish jokes about Jews just can't get enough of the that Holocaust cash from Germany?

Or that one Jewish joke "Oy veh there's No business like the Shoah business" followed by sounds of a cash register.

Or Jewish jokes where a Jewish comedian says "Oy vey I can't wait for more some more Holocaust movies for the Goyim to see....the more guilt the Goyim Germans have the more cash we get!!"

So these poor taste Jewish jokes said by a Jewish comedian would be fine by you in Germany (or anywhere for that matter)??
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
3 Apr 2011 #202
I wish such a thing actually existed.

Delphian, why do you wish it existed? Don't you think it would be negative and counterproductive...maybe even racist?
Eurola 4 | 1,909
3 Apr 2011 #203
So these poor taste Jewish jokes said by a Jewish comedian would be fine by you in Germany (or anywhere for that matter)??

Guess what, most of this types of jokes are delivered by Jewish comedians. Do you watch the Comedy channel now and then? :)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
3 Apr 2011 #204
MediaWatch

I see you didn't get the point. A Polish comedian makes fun of the stereotypes in existence about his fellow countrymen and you drag in the Jews. You fully live up to that other stereotype about the Poles. :)

I would suggest you learn German and you will see that the humour in the clip is not that bad at all. What is worse though is that thenews.pl gives Marek Fis ia fabricated name, complete with background and all.

Another quote by Fis:

"Ihr habt den Karnavall. Da gibt's lange Reden, es wird gesoffen, getanzt und gefummelt. Bei uns heisst das Kirche."

Transl:

"You have your carnival with long speeches, drinking, dancing and fondling. We call that church" :)



>^..^<

M-G (/participation)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Apr 2011 #205
Delphian, why do you wish it existed? Don't you think it would be negative and counterproductive...maybe even racist?

At least then people would have something genuine to complain about. Right now, it's all in their minds.

I see you didn't get the point.

He tends to have huge problems understanding the European mentality, combined with a rather unhealthy obsession about Jews and Russia.

I invite him to come to Poland for a year to volunteer with some children. I'll sort out his residence permit for him, and he can come to Europe and find that we can insult each other quite happily without anyone getting upset.

(back on your bike, MG!)
TheHessian - | 17
3 Apr 2011 #206
I hope you realise that when this comes from a Briton it tends to be tongue in cheek. Its a cheap shot but its part of the cultural fabric.

Don't worry. I actually quite enjoy the British humour and watch enough of your TV shows and comedians to know that its not only Germans who are targets for those "cheap shots", but that you talk just as unflattering about your own country and people and almost everything else in this world.

And its not like we Germans only make harmless jokes about you guys.

Here is what Dietmar Wischmeyer has to say about the British:
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Jc79zByuC2E

Subtitles aren't perfect, but should be enough to get the gist.

Those able to speak German can also check out what Wischmeyer has to say about Germans, Dutch, French, Poles, Austrians, Greeks and Americans on Youtube. ;)

I think a lot of Poles are taking the jokes too personally for no reason.

Actually, when you read the comments under Marek Fis videos on youtube pretty much all the Poles who speak German and/or live in Germany quite like his jokes and have no problem with it. And here on this forum it seems like mostly people who are situated west of the big pond are offended by it.

uh, Oliver Polak?

Hmm, Didn't know of him until now.
I really have to watch more TV. ;)
But there you have it MediaWatch, A Jew in Germany making fun about Jewish stereotypes.

(Sry for double post, but for some reason it won't let me edit my previous post)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Apr 2011 #207
Exactly.

These same "Polish Patriots" who so valiantly defend "Poland and her honour" are the same ones who won't actually come here and improve things for us. Meanwhile, Germans come here quite happily to volunteer and help.
Maaarysia
3 Apr 2011 #208
M-G do you know what Fis is saying in that spot? Fis is explaining why he started to do stand-up comedy. That's a way of his rebel against German attitude towards Poles:

"Śmiali się po prostu z Polaków i to mnie trochę wkurzyło, że tak powiem... w szkole, w pracy, Niemcy mają się czasami za kogoś lepszego."

A translation (more-less):
They were laughing from Poles and it made me little bit angry, so to speak... in school, work, Germans think sometimes that they are something better [than Poles].

He is in Germany for 20 years, being himself just 25-years old.
So yes, his intentions are clear, he wants to ridicule German stereotypes about Poles but the sad thing is that he acnoledged that Germans looks down on Poles...
Daisy 3 | 1,225
3 Apr 2011 #209
I thought that was funny, I had a good laugh at it
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
3 Apr 2011 #210
That's a way of his rebel against German attitude towards Poles:

But isn't that always the essence of stand-up comedians? Or for any comedian for that matter? Any comedian will tell you when asked that the decision to become one is frustration or anger about something. And instead of getting just angry like some individuals on this forum do, he chose to become a funnyman as humour is the best was to level differences. Humour builds bridges and accelerates acceptance of each other and as far as I'm concerned, he's doing a great job.

He is in Germany for 20 years, being himself just 25-years old.

He's actually 32, but that's a minor detail - saw another clip of him in which it says so.

>^..^<

M-G (//participation)


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